Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
They do have the concept of other spider hiveminds though so there's a foundation that can be used to getting them to understand non-hivemind beings.
I'll admit I'm genuinely more than a bit surprised by this statement. Uplifting the spiders has so many benefits and hits so many traditional SV buttons that doing it seems pretty obviously appealing.
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- Norway
I think there was a definite amount of fuzz involving dwarfs repeatedly killing spiders until the spiders picked up on not trying to eat dwarfs.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Err Ranald YOU SAW NOTHING. Clearly there ARE NO lingering side effects.
Edit: also I should probably drink a lot more coffee in the mornings the plan i'm voting for already has an action for building the temple.
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That's purely because they haven't named their plan the way the tally wants. Just scroll to the bottom of the tally and you'll be able to see the full, original, vote.
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- Australia
@veekie if you don't mind, could you explain your reasoning for the EIC portion of your plan, 'Instil corporate policy: always be scrupulously honest when dealing with Dwarves'?
I don't see how its necessary, let alone more important than setting up our intelligence network inside the EIC.
Why do we need it?
There's no indication that individual EIC members are worse than the human traders dwarves are used to, and currently, dealing with - they don't go after cartels for the actions of a few, especially if the larger group acts to resolve the matter. Wilhelmina seems to have a firm hand over the organisation as a whole, and is a) not stupid enough to try screwing over a very large, important, and influential group, especially one known for being revenge-mad, b) knows that her largest shareholder, close friend, and exciser of corruption is heavily invested in K8P physically and mentally.
What does it actually do?
Ok, somehow that is important enough to be done, and urgent enough to be done before everything else. So we tell the EIC to be extraordinarily fair, therefore... any time an EIC member sees another EIC member going against that edict, they've got some more reason to try reporting it in, helping us to hear about it and get it resolved before it flares up into a huge deal.
Don't see how that really saves us any time or energy.
Why don't we instead..?
Form our own group of loyal members in the EIC who can tell us about all kinds of news and potential problems before they get worse. Unlike currently, where we've heard exactly nothing.
People who are actively employed and trained to find out what's going on in the EIC, in secret and by various factions within it - rather than just a potential reward for one aspect of dirty-dealing, available to those who overhear something or suffer enough qualms to turn on collaborators.
I don't see how its necessary, let alone more important than setting up our intelligence network inside the EIC.
Why do we need it?
There's no indication that individual EIC members are worse than the human traders dwarves are used to, and currently, dealing with - they don't go after cartels for the actions of a few, especially if the larger group acts to resolve the matter. Wilhelmina seems to have a firm hand over the organisation as a whole, and is a) not stupid enough to try screwing over a very large, important, and influential group, especially one known for being revenge-mad, b) knows that her largest shareholder, close friend, and exciser of corruption is heavily invested in K8P physically and mentally.
What does it actually do?
Ok, somehow that is important enough to be done, and urgent enough to be done before everything else. So we tell the EIC to be extraordinarily fair, therefore... any time an EIC member sees another EIC member going against that edict, they've got some more reason to try reporting it in, helping us to hear about it and get it resolved before it flares up into a huge deal.
Don't see how that really saves us any time or energy.
Why don't we instead..?
Form our own group of loyal members in the EIC who can tell us about all kinds of news and potential problems before they get worse. Unlike currently, where we've heard exactly nothing.
People who are actively employed and trained to find out what's going on in the EIC, in secret and by various factions within it - rather than just a potential reward for one aspect of dirty-dealing, available to those who overhear something or suffer enough qualms to turn on collaborators.
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
That's strange, but understandable. There're some other examples, like the various TNE versions, but for the most part the subvotes are showing up, so that's nice.
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Specifically, you need to start your plan's name with either "Plan " or "Plan:" for it to count a vote for the plan's name as a vote for the whole block.
Also, @primemountain: You need to indent your plan. The tally is just counting you as a bunch of individual line items.
Also, @primemountain: You need to indent your plan. The tally is just counting you as a bunch of individual line items.
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- United States of America
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[X] Plan Citadel Focus
How that's handled depends on whether Mathilde takes control of them or not.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
This is more or less the only plan that has snakehuice in it, AND I WILL BE DAMNED IF I LET THAT BE DELAYED AGAIN!
If it turns out we need a better lab for it, we'll just take the option again! We'll take it as many times as it takes!
And I am willing to delay my children's Reikspiel classes for this!
This is more or less the only plan that has snakehuice in it, AND I WILL BE DAMNED IF I LET THAT BE DELAYED AGAIN!
If it turns out we need a better lab for it, we'll just take the option again! We'll take it as many times as it takes!
And I am willing to delay my children's Reikspiel classes for this!
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That's explicitly the role taken by Prince Gotri. Helping out of your own accord is appreciated but being Court Wizard means your job is Court Wizard, and 'doing X while being a wizard' doesn't cut it.
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
As I understand it, we're basically deciding overall company policy and setting up a series of best practices for our employees when interacting with dwarf customers. It's like having a policy of "The customer is always right". We won't just be telling them what we want them to do, but be teaching them why and how we want them to do this. Hopefully there will be no grudge even without this, but this eliminates any chances of that and also makes our employees the kind of people dwarves want to deal with. Mathilde will be drawing on her own experience and basically teaching her employees what to do and what not to do. Dwarves have a very different culture and Mathilde has a unique insight on how to deal with that.
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Would investigating/trashing skaven warptech count as a Court Wizard job?
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- Romania
[X] Allow him to spend all his time on his metalworking studies.
[X] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Moulder.
[X] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
[X] You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Go down there and see what you can acquire.
[X] Write a paper on your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic.
[X] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Moulder.
[X] Instil corporate policy: long-term financial good of the Empire.
[X] You have acquired the possession of the Temple where Ranald mugged Mork. Set up a shrine and spread knowledge of it throughout Karag Nar.
[X] You've mapped the territory of Clan Mors. Go down there and see what you can acquire.
[X] Write a paper on your personal understanding of countering Waaagh Magic.
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- Australia
Okay, and... how is this in any way urgent? Like I said, humans and dwarves have been trading for thousands of years, quite successfully - hundreds are doing so in K8P right now.
How is this potential slight boost to dwarven trade more important than finding out if the company that the College and dwarves believe us to be responsible for is actually on the up and up? Than moving one step closer to insuring that it is? Than being able to use it as a spy network?
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
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Our job is what Belegar tells us our job is. Every turn we have an assigned task, and we take actions that have a relation to that task. Things outside that task may be appreciated but aren't our job.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Dwarves and humans have also gone to war a number of times. Most notably there's a time where the Dwarves were comissioned to build a fortress for an elector count. They were stiffed by literally two pennies they destroyed the fortress over it.
Scrupulous honesty when dealing with the dwarves is incredibly important.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
This is how we ensure it's on the up and up. We don't exactly need to spy on a company we own. We create a set of company policies that together set the company on the course we want. Just by working with the company and setting policy, we'll be ensuring it works the way we want it to. We've just decided that it's best to first focus on dwarf/human interaction.
Also this is not just a slight boost. Dwarven culture and human culture has a lot of points which can clash. There have wars for a quite a few small slights in those thousand years.
If Belegar says 'go investigate/trash that skaven warptech' it would be. Otherwise, it goes in the 'appreciated but not your day job' category.