Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Right, ok. I assume that we don't have background jobs equivilent to those a more conventional learning adviser might be expected to keep on top of? Like a Runesmith continuing to teach apprentices or an engineer to supervise his guild's workshops? I suppose that really just gives us more freedom.
I think that according to the character sheet Mathilde's workshop is still in the Sunken Palace.
Yes. Whether something set up in a corner of your bedroom is sufficient for your needs or not is up to you.
- Location
- Austria
Do we even have room for our stuff with all the mountains of books?
[X] Plan Citadel Focus
Reading this, I think we want to make sure that 'Don't experiment with daemon blood where your sleep.' doesn't go down in history as the College's version of 'Don't shit where you eat.'.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Yea researching snake blood in our bedroom with what is a makeshift lab sounds like a terrible idea. I know it's one more turn to wait and people don't want to wait but we're literally building a proper lab, it will be built with the dwarven favour. It's going to have safeties to deal with accidents and much better tools. Don't experiment with Super magic juice until you have a place where if something goes wrong you can't immediately purge it. Also it's just straight up better to do research rolls where we'll have more of a bonus to the mechanical result as criticals artificial or otherwise provide much greater benefit.
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Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
- Location
- Romania
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
Is there any particular reason to rush the snake blood research this turn?
- Location
- Swansea
[X] Plan Not Really Preliminary Anymore
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Impatience? I mean I really get it. I want to research it as well like desperately. It's just kind of silly to do it RIGHT this second. We're so close to having a lab which even a wizard lord would be happy to be doing his research in.
- Location
- Australia
Background fluff made to justify a White Dwarf battle report is not necessarily canon to this Quest.
Nor, like I said, is Wilhelmina a dumbass Elector Count.
Think about what someone would have to be like to not raise it up the chain at all if they encountered the problem of 'Dwarves are repeatedly threatening to kill us all and destroy the place if we don't finish paying this bill.' and consider if they're really much more likely to do so because they got a memo saying to be honest to dwarves.
We don't need to spy on the economic leviathan the thread and viewpoint character has raised concerns about multiple times? We can just trust people because they happen to work for a company we partially own?
Is this the same character, Quest, and voters that literally spied on every member of the Council of Stirland? Who double-checked the genealogy of every single member of staff to make sure they weren't an enemy agent, down to the meanest cook or stableboy?
And was proven right to do so, every time?
- Location
- Singapore
Omegahugger, AP starvation means that taking this option again will be another uphill slog, and it could well be several turns before the thread can be convinced again to take a crack at the Snake Juice if we do fail. And this isn't just a matter of a better lab - do you really want to research Snake Juice in a semi-public lab? As many times as it takes is a very caliver attitude when AP is so limited.
It's extreme and ill advised impatience,of the kind that'd create alot of conflict in this thread. Honestly, while I'm not going to argue against Snake Juice research if the rush Snake Juice research fail, I'd be strongly advocating for bringing a Journeyman in this one, because of AP Starvation and the benefits of double rolling with Journeymen assistance. And if anyone points out the security implications then and there, they should have pointed out the security implications of letting Journeymen have access to our Snake Juice research this turn.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
We've been told "next turn" one time too many.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
- Location
- Places
She obviously got that from Van Hal's much more obscure work the Liber Orc-is
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
We won't need to spy on them if the concerns can be alleviated. One of the reasons that has been brought up in the thread for voting to be honest to dwarves is to change the EIC's business practices so that they put the Empire first before profits. Given that one of the Empire's founding tenets is that Dwarves are their friends, you can see why people see doing business honestly with dwarves can serve as a first step to that goal.
No. At best this quest is about 20% those people.
- Location
- Australia
I just don't get it. Say you were heavily invested in an American trading company, and you have concerns about it. Which of the following is most important and/or urgent?
-The company may not be organised in a way which stimulates the American economy to a high, preferably high-as-possible degree?
-The company may not be sensitive enough to the cultural differences between America and Britain, in a way that may result in some less-than-optimal gain in money or reputation, and cause misunderstandings with the possibility to get out of control?
-The company or elements thereof could well be breaking the law, selling sub-par or defective merchandise, be planning on absconding to a distant country with great amounts of money, embezzling, agents of another company or country, terrorists, serial killers, etc, just like all the previous organizations we've been part of.
We have no way of knowing because there's no internal security or observation apparatus at all, and we know and trust a grand total of one (1) person in the company, as important in the big-picture details though they are.
-The company may not be organised in a way which stimulates the American economy to a high, preferably high-as-possible degree?
-The company may not be sensitive enough to the cultural differences between America and Britain, in a way that may result in some less-than-optimal gain in money or reputation, and cause misunderstandings with the possibility to get out of control?
-The company or elements thereof could well be breaking the law, selling sub-par or defective merchandise, be planning on absconding to a distant country with great amounts of money, embezzling, agents of another company or country, terrorists, serial killers, etc, just like all the previous organizations we've been part of.
We have no way of knowing because there's no internal security or observation apparatus at all, and we know and trust a grand total of one (1) person in the company, as important in the big-picture details though they are.
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- Location
- Singapore
Creating an Info network in the EIC is something we probably need to eventually do, but I think it's one of those actions that will be sacrificed to Snake Juice if the rush to Snake Juice passes this turn, but Snake Juice fails because the lab isn't up yet. Your concern may be valid, but it's running into the ugly issue of AP Starvation.
It is a good thing, but the thread is voting to potentially piss away AP that can be used for things like this with the leading Snake Juice vote before lab bonus, with the rationale we can just ty again. You want to make this network? Well, something else probably has got to go, since half the thread wants to do things like No Lying policy to the Dwarfs, and long term economic good of the Empire.
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Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
I think getting a spy network in the company is good, not just because it allows us to keep a better eye on it but also because it allows us to get information about places the company is set up in.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
@BoneyM A question on the topic of learning spells. You mentioned that if we want to learn a particular spell, we either need to attend a class for a single spell or wait around and hope there is someone there whose teaching something we want to know. I was looking at the ways we can spend college favors and noticed we can hire Magisters and Lord Magisters for a 5/10 favor every turn for use in a project. Couldn't we just hire a magister who already knows the spells we lack and is willing to spend an action teaching us?
How effective would this be over the usual options? Would getting a Lord Magister involved be more effective or get us something special?
How effective would this be over the usual options? Would getting a Lord Magister involved be more effective or get us something special?
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- Location
- Austria
Well, eventually naturally we shall do that. The question is merely whether it's more time-sensitive than ensuring they do not try to swindle dwarfs.
I was looking at Realm of Sorcery for interesting spells, and I wonder how many travelling Grey Wizards can put aside their anti-Light College prejudice to invest a favour in an item of this:
At first glance it's frivolous, but when you think about the needs of a Grey Wizard, it's actually very useful. A travelling Grey Wizard could pick up an incriminating scent, and may well have to forage for supplies. With this, they can even take discarded or rotten food whose absence would be noted, and wouldn't have to hunt down pure water sources, so could drink from puddles or streams without worrying about getting the runs. It's just such a practical benefit that I think that the wizards f the Grey College, whose Wind makes them become more and more pragmatic, would go for. It also removes the need for cleaners or similar staff, or spending time doing their own laundry, making keeping secrets easier.
It's good enough that I actually think that Mathilde should spend a favour on it. Always looking perfectly groomed is just a bonus.
Another option, which might be a touchy subject for the dwarves, but if there are the descendants of any famous dlain runesmiths around (as all runesmiths are part of or descended from a specific clan), I wonder if:
Works on dwarves. Mathilde may be the only dwarf friend with enough reputation to talk to the dwarves about this since the Colleges were formed who would know about the spell. It could be a massive game changer, if they're willing to talk to their ancestors with magic - and note that the dwarves talk to their ancestors all the time, it's not just the ancestor gods that are prayed to, they just don't usually expect an answer. If this works it could have incredible possibilities if cast say, once a day. If we take the opportunity to befriend Gunnars, it's the kind of thing that could come up naturally. They'd probably be much happier if a magic item rather than a spell was used as well.
So, next turn the dwarven built magical clean room, and then the turn after an Ulgu saturated room?
Cleansing Glow
Ingredient: A bit of soap
Description: A dim glow passes over the surface of any item or character, and it is cleaned to spotlessness. Dust is removed, tarnish polished away, rank smells eliminated, and beard stubble trimmed. Spoiled food or drink can be made pure—tasty, even, if it originally was—by means of this magic. This is a touch spell.
At first glance it's frivolous, but when you think about the needs of a Grey Wizard, it's actually very useful. A travelling Grey Wizard could pick up an incriminating scent, and may well have to forage for supplies. With this, they can even take discarded or rotten food whose absence would be noted, and wouldn't have to hunt down pure water sources, so could drink from puddles or streams without worrying about getting the runs. It's just such a practical benefit that I think that the wizards f the Grey College, whose Wind makes them become more and more pragmatic, would go for. It also removes the need for cleaners or similar staff, or spending time doing their own laundry, making keeping secrets easier.
It's good enough that I actually think that Mathilde should spend a favour on it. Always looking perfectly groomed is just a bonus.
Another option, which might be a touchy subject for the dwarves, but if there are the descendants of any famous dlain runesmiths around (as all runesmiths are part of or descended from a specific clan), I wonder if:
Knocks of the Departed
Description: You ask and can receive an answer to one question you ask of a specific deceased individual, as long as that question can be answered with a number of audible knocks other than zero ("How many robbers came into your house on the night you were beaten to death?"), or answered with a yes or no ("Would it please you for us to bring your body on our pilgrimage to Altdorf?"). In the case of yes/no questions, the spirit of the deceased knocks once for "yes," and twice for "no." No matter the question, the spirit is not compelled to answer at all, has no knowledge beyond that which he had in life, and can lie if he wishes. The act of answering is neither inherently pleasant nor odious to the deceased, though it may well be emotionally painful because of the living who are present or due to the nature of the question. This spell must be cast in the presence of either the deceased's body or the presence of one of his living descendants. It is said the dead answer by knocking on the gates of Morr's realm.
Works on dwarves. Mathilde may be the only dwarf friend with enough reputation to talk to the dwarves about this since the Colleges were formed who would know about the spell. It could be a massive game changer, if they're willing to talk to their ancestors with magic - and note that the dwarves talk to their ancestors all the time, it's not just the ancestor gods that are prayed to, they just don't usually expect an answer. If this works it could have incredible possibilities if cast say, once a day. If we take the opportunity to befriend Gunnars, it's the kind of thing that could come up naturally. They'd probably be much happier if a magic item rather than a spell was used as well.
So, next turn the dwarven built magical clean room, and then the turn after an Ulgu saturated room?