Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Being an Ulrican, priest or not, also mean he will hate us by default. The teachings of Ulric basically state that a Grey Wizard is without honour and unworthy of respect.
Given Wolf is a familiar and we have access to Amber wizards I have zero confidence that a guy who happens to ride a giant, Ulric blessed, wolf has anything useful to tell us.
1) You expect there to be a time during the campaign when Kragg isn't going to be annoyed at the mess the Greenskins and Skaven have made of the Hold?
2) Off-screen = irrelevant.
3) Given we haven't worked with the knights and almost certainly never will I see no reason to waste time getting to know their commander. Particularly not the commander who's god hates us.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
That's a repetition of what I already acknowledged, but more than fair. Some people do like achieving more in absolute terms, but you should vote for what you enjoy reading about.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
... You say to a guy who voted for King Belegar.
A: If we just got a Panoramia scene tomorrow no matter what we vote, there would be no point for BoneyM to put it up as a vote like this. In other words, there is a material difference between the Panoramia scene we'd get now and the theoretical Panoramia scene we might get later. And if the scene happens to happen offscreen then I won't get any enjoyment out of it.
B: Can't this just as well be turned back on you? Mathilde is a spymistress and perfect messenger, she's going to debrief more or less everyone. Ulthar in particular, if for no reason to make sure their actions don't overlap and waste effort.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Fug it, I've realised I care more about alliteration than I first thought. UPDATING VOTE!
[X] Panoramia
[X] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Wolf
[X] Mathilde's Malleable Model
[X] Panoramia
[X] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Wolf
[X] Mathilde's Malleable Model
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Being an Ulrican, priest or not, also mean he will hate us by default. The teachings of Ulric basically state that a Grey Wizard is without honour and unworthy of respect.
Given Wolf is a familiar and we have access to Amber wizards I have zero confidence that a guy who happens to ride a giant, Ulric blessed, wolf has anything useful to tell us.
1) You expect there to be a time during the campaign when Kragg isn't going to be annoyed at the mess the Greenskins and Skaven have made of the Hold?
2) Off-screen = irrelevant.
3) Given we haven't worked with the knights and almost certainly never will I see no reason to waste time getting to know their commander. Particularly not the commander who's god hates us.
To be strictly fair
Ulrican Doctrine is about "Don't rely on something you can't count on"
The helmet thing? "You shouldn't be getting hit in the fucking head in the first place, because even the best helmet in the world might only leave you as being an invalid who's a drain on your community for the rest of your life if you're not lucky."
The no gunpowder thing? "This shit is hard to make in the field and prone to backfiring if it's made badly, you can't account for making it properly, so don't put your faith in it". Note how they have no problem with bows and most siege weapons. The dividing line seems to be "Can a reasonably well equipped force produce and maintain this in the field and have it work as intended?" And they reject anything that the answer to that is "No" to
The magic thing? "Casting magic without a god's intervention can and probably will backfire in the long run, so fuck that, win with the favor of the gods and your own hardened skills and talents instead."
That it's gotten memed into hyperregressive shit is a factor of Ulricans... Largely suffering from their political leadership being mediocre at best and willing to concede long term growth in favor of short term zingers (Like what happened where they effectively pushed female clergy out because they were trying to look more 'Respectable' or something)
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[X] Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection
[X] Mathilde's Malleable Aethyric Projection
[X] Wolf
An extra vote for wolf
[X] Mathilde's Malleable Aethyric Projection
[X] Wolf
An extra vote for wolf
Ulricians respect brave warriors, particularly warriors who go into battle without shield or helmet. Mathilde qualifies fully there. She also has a wolf familiar.
Ulricians don't like trickery and deceit, but Mathilde engages in surprisingly little of that. Look at how she acts. She sneaks around and kills people, but she doesn't lie or trick people that much. Of all the Grey Magisters in all the world, he's most likely to be able to get on with her, even if he disapproves of some of her activities.
As I say below, this is also a once in a lifetime victory, pretty much. If there's any occasion where Mathilde can make inroads in a person like this, which would be valuable for the rest of the campaign and beyond, it's here and now.
Yes, there is a material difference. One is a social occasion we can use to network with our peers. Spending it talking to a subordinate may solidify an already strong connection with a potential future peer and losing an opportunity to make connections that would usually be significantly harder. The second is part of the job interacting as commanding and junior officer. The context is different, with tonight being more appropriate to deal with peers, and tomorrow being more appropriate to deal with an officer who works for Mathilde.
She has no authority to debrief Ulthar, as she's his peer, not his commanding officer. She can speak to him, but she can't build on the connection that she forged today anything like as well tomorrow, when the thrill of victory has faded. She already has a connection with the Journeymanlings, so she doesn't need to exploit this once in a lifetime opportunity to befriend them.
I think that, and the no marriage thing, was because the Sigmarites had them over a barrel and they were too politically weak to resist.
Also, the northern nobility was watching the semi-hereditary priesthood of Ulric (which had someone stopped being one and the same with the later), and realising that they were a threat, so seided with the Sigmarite Cult. The Ulricians couldn't resist both internal and external pressure.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
[X] Mathilde's Malleable Model
I went for Mathilde's M.A.P., but the incomplete alliteration is wearing on me more than I expected. I'm afraid I'm going to have to switch back.
[X] Mathilde's Malleable Model
I went for Mathilde's M.A.P., but the incomplete alliteration is wearing on me more than I expected. I'm afraid I'm going to have to switch back.
But just think of the future potential of the map option...
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I just don't see it. Something about what the acronym stands for predating the word just doesn't make much sense to me. Sorry.
Either way we're including our name in it, though, which does make me happy.
- Location
- Brazil
Sometimes, a Bloodthirster that hits you on a 3+ attacks six times and rolls 2 2 2 1 2 2.
A slight subject change, but as her new spell is Relatively Simple Mathilde may occasionally have to roll to cast it, which makes me hope that someday she'll master the spell.
It would be a bit embarrassing if someone else were to master the spell she invented before she did.
It would be a bit embarrassing if someone else were to master the spell she invented before she did.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
I can just imagine that IC it's because Mathilde slips on a random leaf causing her to stumble a bit thus accidentally ducking the axe, then the Bloodthirster's axe slicing through a tree causing a cat that had been hiding in it to fall on his face.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Nah, that's just evolution in progress.
It is the duty of students to surpass their teachers!
- Location
- France
You know, picking the doggo will probably be good for Mathilde. She's just narrowly escaped being repeatedly horribly killed - and then she had to escape again, and again.
These past few days have been very stressful for her (much like most other people here).
A time to relax and party a little makes perfect sense. And while networking is indeed important, part of that relaxation time should be devoted to something 100% calm and easy : petting the dog!
Once she's done with that she can go and flex her measly social skills. Beat your way out of that comfort zone and go make friends with these strangers! It'll be politically useful!
But first, pet the wolf pup. Scratch behind his ears. Feed him treats and goblin spleens.
Relax.
These past few days have been very stressful for her (much like most other people here).
A time to relax and party a little makes perfect sense. And while networking is indeed important, part of that relaxation time should be devoted to something 100% calm and easy : petting the dog!
Once she's done with that she can go and flex her measly social skills. Beat your way out of that comfort zone and go make friends with these strangers! It'll be politically useful!
But first, pet the wolf pup. Scratch behind his ears. Feed him treats and goblin spleens.
Relax.
It's funny, as I pretty much still see Mathilde as one of those students trying to surpass her teachers.
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If the wolf were not in a competition with what I consider to be the most interesting option, the grand marshal, I might consider this, but as is I can't justify it to myself.
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- Location
- France
This is a case of differing priorities, really. In the past, Mathilde has reflected upon the fact that she tends to prefer dwarves to the average human, and I agree. Reading the bits with the dwarves have been amazing!
- Playing Mathilde as a crazy cat lady doing magical research in a dwarfhold? Hell yeah! And we can go field-test our research on local Skaven tribes, too!
- Playing Mathilde as the leader of a knightly order in the Empire? Meh. Honestly, I'm not hyped about that.
However, going back to Stirland and meddling in local politics could be great too. I want to see Wilhemina and Anton again, if possible. Or at least send letters.
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