Mathilde seems to have learned to relax the dwarven way, by making a game out of massacring goblins. I think her one hit two kills earlier worked her stress out of her system.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Mathilde seems to have learned to relax the dwarven way, by making a game out of massacring goblins. I think her one hit two kills earlier worked her stress out of her system.
The knightly order never interested me to be honest, I'm just curious in how she plays off the Ulrican. Maybe they will bond over their dislike of Sigmar.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Once our students start surpassing us we'll be further on track to being a super-teacher, and those get to banish people to the Shadow Realm.
Edit: Speaking of ancient Nehekharan Shadow Magic...
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Sinsystems
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Personally I don't want Mathilde to be leading a Knightly Order, but I would like to have one we can call upon to support us when we want to go somewhere dangerous for various experiments or Murder Death Killing something nasty.
It's not about Mathilde becoming leader of a knightly order.
In the long term it's about Magister Lord Mathilde having friendly relations with the leader of a powerful Knightly Order that has influence and resources across the northern provinces of the Empire. Even if she's running a Collegiate Chapterhouse in Karak Eight Peaks those contacts will come in useful, even if it's only for a 'Gondor Calls for Aid!' Hail Mary in extremis if a major Waaagh turns up. If enough humans hang around and settle near Karak Eight Peaks we're also going to want to encourage them to worship another war god than Sigmar, and Ulric fits the bill - if with a little work required to knock the rough edges off. The World's Edge Mountains are probably the right habitat for the Winter Wolves mounts, and monstrous cavalry fills a big hole in the dwarves' order of battle, so encouraging them to set up a daughter chapterhouse here would be valuable as well.
In the short term it's about having a good working relationship with one of the most important other human members of the expedition, one who, as a bonus, has great experience working with wolves.
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- France
I know that talking to this guy isn't meant to lead us towards being the boss of a knightly order.
However my dwarf-friends goals make socializing with them a bigger priority than socializing with the knight. I'm unwilling to sacrifice those goals (or just make them harder to reach) and dislike most other potential long-term routes for Mathilde mentioned in the thread so far.
It should help Mathilde's position with the dwarves if she can act as a bridge between them and their human allies. This isn't sacrificing those goals, it's supporting them. If Mathilde wants to, for example, set up shop in Karak Eight Peaks with the Grey Order's enthusiastic blessing, this is the kind of thing that should help.
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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[x] King Belegar Ironhammer
[x] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
[x] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
The rationale for each person above is well-founded.
[X] Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection
[X] Mathilde's Aethyric Projection
I'm not terribly wed to alliteration, but branding is a reasonable concern.
[x] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
[x] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
The rationale for each person above is well-founded.
[X] Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection
[X] Mathilde's Aethyric Projection
I'm not terribly wed to alliteration, but branding is a reasonable concern.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I wrote this as a joke, but actually it's a very interesting concept, if we could swing it. As Shadow Knives and The Penumbral Pendulum demonstrate, just because something isn't physically real doesn't mean it can't kill you.
If we were to combine the concepts shared by those spells together with some variant of the spell of Shadowsteed, which summons an entity that can be interacted with, we could very well create a creature that could fight instead of provide transportation (The Shadowsteed already has two 'wounds', all it would need would be an attack score).
Of course, just saying that isn't enough. Spells are hard to come up with, and we need traits related to the concepts to even have a chance at doing so. But you know what we also have?
The Great Big Book of Making Other Things Do Your Work For You, and Denizen Of A Horrifying Hell Dimension Juice (Not Evil Flavor).
Am I suggesting creating illusions of powerful monsters and ensouling them with bound warp predators in order to inflict their power upon our enemies (just like Shyish can use the bodies of once living creatures to bind the souls that used to inhabit them to the caster's will)? Yes, yes I am. Of course, such a thing would be utterly foolish to attempt spontaneously. Any but the weakest of such creatures would be more trouble than they're worth. But we also happen to know Enchanting, and are in a prime position to learn more about it. And the benefit of enchanting is that if you try to use a magic item, even a human-made one, and it botches, it just doesn't work. No explosions, no portals to horrifying hell dimensions, it just fizzles out for a bit. Safely. Sanely. Reliably as magic gets.
That's my pitch. That's what I want to try with the book.
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- Brazil
That's grounds for a grudge.
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- Aotearoa
They just need to make her an honorary member of Clan Huzkul.
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- Brazil
This seems absurd, as it's 100% free and a fan work.
Still, anyone who needs it can just google "Warhammer Fantasy 8th Ed Skaven Armybook" easily enough.
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- Rivendell
[X] Master Runelord Kragg the Grim
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
The issue isn't "The book is bad" the issue is that some of the images they used are copyrighted and thus probably shouldn't be directly linked to in the forum, it likely would have been just fine if it were all text, or used fanworks.
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Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Wish I could like and funny this. Making Shadow Monsters from Baldur' Gate II is not something I expected to come up in my reading today
Sinsystems
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Honestly the first thing that came to my mind from that is a Battle Magic Spell that basically greats a Shadow Balrog which we pilot like it's a mech suit.Wish I could like and funny this. Making Shadow Monsters from Baldur' Gate II is not something I expected to come up in my reading today
Space battles, sister forum to SV, once was shut down for several days because somebody linked an image of a toucan in a quest, and owner/creator of the image took offense. It was a minor meme for awhile, Toucan of DOOOOM.
...These things are serious business. Do not blame the mods for ensuring forum's safety from a random DMCA takedown.
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I wouldn't suggest using actual complete warp predators, but using snake juice to 'fill in the gaps' in an illusion to make it more substantial is something I've contemplated. Then again, I've also contemplated using snake juice to replace the parts of Mathilde's essence/form that goes missing if she gets the Insubstantial Arcane Mark.
More generally, I think enchanting is a good way to make a start with the snake juice, doing everything at an extra remove, creating an enchanted object that used Ulgu to influence evaporated snake juice as it flowed through the device. For extra lulz it would mean the devices would be a maze of shadowed/tinted glass tubes containing multi-coloured glowing mist for that extra mad magician feel.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Yeah, it's not piracy, it's a variation of the Toucan issue, I think (where SB got DMCA'd for a picture of a toucan and it was generally terrible).
You mean using the Snake Essence to create a sort of raw soul, which we would then define by containing its potential within an iconic illusion? i.e We would create a raw soul and glamour it like a Knight, and it would become more like what it resembles because everybody treats it and thinks of it like a knight, the same way most warp entities work?
That sounds a bit more complicated, but more likely to produce more reasonable and compliant beings.
It can go a number of ways, certainly the concept is broad enough, but I was thinking more... Duel Monsters.
Yes, exactly. The substance of the warp is raw possibility. We'd make a 'container' from it from Ulgu, as you suggest, an illusionary representative of an archetype, and evaporate the snake juice in to it as a mist, where the Ulgu template would hopefully influence/constrain it to conform to the desired form and nature while also acting as a boundary to stop it immediately escaping and dissolving.
Thank God, now our protagonist now has a mapping feature.
[X] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
[X] Wolf
[X] Mirage Map
Ulgu is fun that way; you can kitbash it to do pretty much everything, and unlike other Winds it is far more receptive to being twisted into pretzels and making the water burn and chickens fly rather than, lessay, Ghur.Wish I could like and funny this. Making Shadow Monsters from Baldur' Gate II is not something I expected to come up in my reading today
One day Mathilde might just get to invent something like Shadow Conjuration. With wonky relationships between reality and illusion being Ulgu's favourite speciality, it might be actually possible at "Fiendishly Complex+" level of magic.
EDIT - though, probably more like ideology and method of spell conversion, rather than a spell that is a thousand spells. Warhammer magic generally does not allows that kind of versatility for its magic.
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Its not very different from what they expect though. Umgi are disorganized and fractious. That they got help after jumping through hoops is adequate even if half the Umgi just want to punch the other half.
Enough helped showed up, and Belegar seems canny enough that he'd fault the Elector Counts more than the Empire as a whole.
The flesh is willing but the spirit is weak.
Its entirely in line with Mathilde's beliefs at least. The Church of Sigmar isn't worth its status. Where Were They?
Overall I expect her not to be loved by them, but tolerated. That she uses a greatsword is a good mitigating factor. That she doesn't JUST use a greatsword hurts though.
From what we've seen its more likely to master the spell by critting on a planning/strategy roll than directly.
Shyish-kebabs say hi.
It depends on the item being enchanted soundly and the assumptions of the enchantment being correct.
Or sometimes swords which absorb magic might suddenly discharge concentrated Shyish in your face.
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I am extremely skeptical of this sort of reasoning. I doubt on general principles that you can turn Shadow Magic into Omni-Magic by saying "magically realistic illusion of" like it's a meta-magic spell, I doubt for in-setting reasons that one Wind would have such uniquely broad capability, especially when there's both Qhaysh and Dhar beside the Eight Winds, and I doubt for OOC reasons that Boney would allow such a thing.