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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
[X] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
[X] Panoramia

[X] Mathilde's Mapping Mirage
[X] Mathildes Malleable Model
[X] Multidimensional Aethyric Projection
[X] Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection

BoneyM said:
[Highways: 75+20=95 vs 75+10=85. Fighting continues to be fierce. Chiselwards Rangers joining the fight.]
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Where were we during this part?

veekie said:
Noting that they'd eat the babies first,
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That's not as likely as it sounds. Most Skaven don't get any access to females and the younglings are supposedly taken care of by special Skaven eunuchs at the very first stages of their lives still within whatever complex the Breeding Pits (some of the most priced possessions of powerful Skaven) are housed in. So babies being eaten by anything other than other babies only happens if some Skaven VIP either allows it or is run over by the mob.

In general I see the complete dysfunctionality of Skaven society in many fluff sources at least a bit as exaggeration. Especially when stuff contradicts other stuff that makes more sense.
 
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veekie said:
Huh, silver-iron sounds like an odd combo for them to use doesn't it?
Silver isn't strong, the only use is ornamentation for ceremonial gear, or needing something specifically vulnerable to silver and iron.

Fae/lycanthropes vulnerable to those don't seem to feature much in my Warhammer readings though.
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IIRC, according to Night's Dark Masters, warhammer vampires often have silver vulnerability, and the dwarves of Karak Eight Peaks probably warred with Strygos as well as traded with them.

veekie said:
A lost design? Maxmillian might try to take a peek at it though.

...I'm shifting my Panoramia vote to Maxmillian just in case.
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I suspect it may either be an elven magic item captured during the War of the Beard, or it has an early version of the Rune of Seeking. Earlier books say that the Rune of Seeking was the product of dwarven and elven collaboration. Later books claim that it was developed during the War of the Beard to shoot down elven flyers. The easy way to reconcile the two statements is to say, as these are IC documents, that the first version is true and the second version is the cover story as the truth is politically unpalatable.

veekie said:
For what its worth, most spells don't ever make it past the invention stage. Too niche, too difficult, or the inventor can't/won't explain it to anyone, or its too grey area to risk the attention
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I think there is a good reason to publicise this one. It's not something Mathilde needs to hide or keep as an ace in the hole, and having a reputation for both spell innovation and sharing the results would be particularly useful for her.

This spell is particularly nice as it explores part of Ulgu's thematics that the Grey College hasn't focused on much. That helps in two ways. It means that a broader range of people can successfully become Grey Magisters. It may also encourage other Magisters to explore other aspects of Ulgu.

I'm looking forward to seeing if we can build on this spell, making it more like a realm Minimap, for example having it update in real time based on what troops under your command know, rather than needing messengers. That may require things like (very) temporarily enchanted tokens to be given to unit commanders or scouts, or for the spell to be cast on the officers and scouts at the beginning of a battle/engagement.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Rafin on Sep 13, 2019 at 7:01 AM, finished with 188 posts and 73 votes.
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Can I convince anyone to change their votes? We are currently not interacting with any non-dwarf. Wolf is already our familiar so we will have plenty of interaction with him over the coming days/months/years anyway, even if it isn't on screen.

I am not married to having "Mathilde's" in front of the spell name, but Mapping Mirage is a better name than Mirage Map IMO because the spell can do a lot more than maps. It's a Mirage that can map out whatever, including, say, the dimensions of a wardrobe or a statistical graph. It is not a singular map edited through mirage.
 
I'd argue it's a model, not a mirage. It's actually there, made of (admittedly magically generated and channeled) smoke.

But I do agree about speaking with a human.
 
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[x] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
[X] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
 
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[x] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
[X] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson

[X] Mathilde's Multidimensional Aethyric Projection
 
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I'm actually intrigued by Wulfhart. He's an Ulrican holy knight, so normally he should object to wizards on religious grounds, but apparently he works with ambermanlings quite well .
 
DarkLight140 said:
[x] King Belegar Ironhammer
[x] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
[x] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
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Very min-maxed, I approve. Also nice to see the knights being shown some love.

Alliterate said:
The other thing is, I don't really like 'mirage' for our spell.
Mirages have association with deception- they're not real. Things you think you see in the heat haze.
That's a fine thing for Ulgu spells in general, of course, but our spell is used to describe the real, to model the actual, to dispel uncertainty- it's very much not a deceptive mirage.
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You really hit nail on the head there. Something felt off about calling our modeling/mapping spell a mirage but you've managed to put words to the feeling.

Alratan said:
I suspect it may either be an elven magic item captured during the War of the Beard, or it has an early version of the Rune of Seeking. Earlier books say that the Rune of Seeking was the product of dwarven and elven collaboration. Later books claim that it was developed during the War of the Beard to shoot down elven flyers. The easy way to reconcile the two statements is to say, as these are IC documents, that the first version is true and the second version is the cover story as the truth is politically unpalatable.
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Considering that the Dwarfs are the guys who designed the crossbows and ballistae and gave them to the Elves it's equally or more likely for it to be a Dwarf original (or a Dwarf and Elf collaboration in which case they'll just lie and call it an Dwarf original).
 
[X] King Belegar Ironhammer
[X] Head Ranger Ulthar Alriksson
[X] Wolf

[X] Mathilde's Mapping Mirage
 
BoneyM said:
Rangers on light feet dash ahead to the Chiselwards, to discover what variety of horror is lurking there.
Thunderers head upwards to clear vast caverns that were once hangars for long-forgotten flying machines, kept aloft by gas and heat and runes, linking the Karaz Ankor in the time before Gyrocopters.
Warriors keep a safe distance from Kragg's critical eye as they march to the Hall of Oaths, with them a brace of stoneworkers.
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Did King Ironhammer really split up the forces completely by type or were those just whatever unit type was most prominent on each front?
In any case, he would have been better served with a less lopsided force distribution. Something for Mathilde to keep in mind. Especially at the Hangar, but probably also the Highways. Though I can't currently find any information on who actually we're the primary Dwarf forces at the Highways.
By the way, where did the surviving Slayers end up after finishing off the Trolls? And who lead the Thunderers into that ill-fated meat grinder?
 
Alliterate said:
The other thing is, I don't really like 'mirage' for our spell.
Mirages have association with deception- they're not real. Things you think you see in the heat haze.
That's a fine thing for Ulgu spells in general, of course, but our spell is used to describe the real, to model the actual, to dispel uncertainty- it's very much not a deceptive mirage.
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OTOH, a mirage is a reflection of a thing seen from further away.
 
I don't think we can make an invisible sword by enchanting it with Shroud of Invisibility.
the spell will come to an end if you bring attention to yourself by making large noises or attacking someone.
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It'll only be invisible while we're not attacking someone with it.
 
So ran across this piece of artwork, apparently based on some old White Dwarf art showing a massive Empire cannon manned by giants or something like that.


Warhammer - Giant Cannon
I have always been interested in high Fantasy Medieval environments - and particularly wanted to create a large scale outlandish piece. The original idea came from a old illustration I saw in a copy of White Dwarf from the early 90s - which depicted battlements and cannons being manned and reloaded by Giants working in service of the Empire.
The sheer number of assets required for such a scene also pushed my limits as an artist. I had a particular camera angle in mind for this image, and due to the position of the camera the foreground objects were created in a higher poly format with higher resolution textures than that of background objects.
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Sort of wonder if the Dwarves don't have something similar set up at some of the Karaks, although I would like to see this from Mathilde's perspective if she ever visited wherever this thing is supposed to be.
 
@Guile @butchock @Sinsystems @NuclearConsensus

The four of you seem to have an interest in Mathilde interacting with one of the Knights. You also all vote for Wolf though. I know there is currently a >10 gap between the two, but if one is more important to you than the other maybe you want to reconsider your vote in light of the tally.
 
[X] Grand Master Ruprecht Wulfhart
[X] Grand Master Sigwald Kriegersen
[X] Marksman Codrin Petrescu
[X] Mirage Map
 
Rafin said:
Did King Ironhammer really split up the forces completely by type or were those just whatever unit type was most prominent on each front?
In any case, he would have been better served with a less lopsided force distribution. Something for Mathilde to keep in mind.
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The latter. It's easy to point out this sort of thing in hindsight, but they made the best calls they could with the information they had. Waiting for perfect information would have given up momentum and handed the initiative to the greenskins.

Rafin said:
By the way, where did the surviving Slayers end up after finishing off the Trolls?
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In the meat grinders. The only Slayers left now are those that got too injured to keep fighting but not injured enough to die.

Rafin said:
And who lead the Thunderers into that ill-fated meat grinder?
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Presumably a Veteran or Longbeard. It's a layer of granularity below what Mathilde's been paying attention to.

Rafin said:
The four of you seem to have an interest in Mathilde interacting with one of the Knights. You also all vote for Wolf though. I know there is currently a >10 gap between the two, but if one is more important to you than the other maybe you want to reconsider your vote in light of the tally.
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Please don't ping people to try to get them to switch votes.
 
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