A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- Germany
Problem is we kinda are.
As long as the deal stands it looks like any trade-associated Fey can freely enter Lys in any street at any time.
That's not something we can solve by brute force, at least not without significant damage to the city and serious investment of time and men.
Being personally capable of killing any fey we meet is not that helpful here.
- Location
- United States
While amusing, it also causes us more headaches down the line in the form of problems we'd have to waste time and attention to fix. It's better for us to just hunt down that bauble.
... Speaking of which, @DragonParadox, is there anything stopping us from just dropping a Discern Location on the bauble?
That has not been tried to far since none of the people here had access to the spell, so it's probably worth a try.
- Location
- Mexico
Sure we can brute Force it, they are merchants not Invaders, if they have to fight to even get a chance to trade then it's not worth it for them, we have all the cards, all they have on their side it's the capacity to annoy.
Being able to enter the city it's not worth much if they are subject to imprisonment if they do so, i can see they deposing their King if he refuses to deal with us.
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- United States
Well, we are definitely doing that. One way or another that bauble is ours.
Even though whatever moronic Lyseni magister who made the deal should be dead for this stupidity, I probably would have killed for a bauble that spins gold in our early levels. Imagine that, back when we were scraping by on whatever gear Lya could find the time to make for us.
Unless this is bullshit Fey stuff again, and the gold turns back into hay in the morning.
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- Germany
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- He/Him
Think anyone would bet against that?
- Location
- Mexico
It's just that the market has been hugely disrespectful, no delegation to meet us, no attempts to meet us in the middle, they have us collecting trinkets when they should be begging to be able to keep even a little of their contract.
They are just an organization of merchants and they have a king running for their favor, fuck that.
They kneel or we break them, we cannot set a precedent of bowing to fey whims.
They are just an organization of merchants and they have a king running for their favor, fuck that.
They kneel or we break them, we cannot set a precedent of bowing to fey whims.
- Location
- Germany
We weren't a magister though.
That implies some wealth.
Besides, even then we propably wouldn't have sold out Braavos like that if the Orphne had offered something along those lines.
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- United States
This isn't setting a precedent of bowing to fey whims, this is taking away all their cards. Once we have the baubles, they have zero leverage, and then we can issue our demands.
Going HAM off the bat won't help us.
I'm not talking about making a similar deal, Artemis, that was a stupid deal. I'm just drooling over what could have been had we had an item like this.
- Location
- Mexico
As far as I am concerned, they have zero leverage now, we give them leverage by thinking the trinkets have any worth.
We use the spell, if it works great, otherwise we should go straight for the hammer.
As for the item, they are probably cursed, valuable items sealing a contract lost to the wind? That doesn't happen on its own, it's intentional to tie cities to their whims.
City of Brass interlude next.
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- United States
Their trinkets do have worth, like it or not. This isn't a case of "It doesn't mean anything if I don't think it means anything," those trinkets are at the root of the pact that formed the Goblin Market. We could ignore it and go HAM, sure. That's always an option. It's also an inherently messy option, and we'll be getting a lot of unnecessary and easily avoided resistance if we do that.
As for where the items are, yes, it's pretty obvious they were intentionally lost. That's for a reason -- bad things happen to the Fey when we get those baubles, and they know it.
All in all, there is a reason Malarys and Rina bothered with this hunt at all instead of just going, "Fuck it, just call Viserys to lead the conquest."
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- Mexico
[X] Enter the Goblin Market
-[X] Cast Ears of the City for anything said about the Hooded Lord, the baubles, and about you (since our enemies obviously talk about us)
-[X] Use Discern Location to try to locate the bauble.
-[X] if that doesn't work, demand the hooded Lord meets you, you have accommodated their customs as much as possible, it's time for them to begin paying proper respect to the law of the realm if there is to be any hope of coexistence.
-[X] Cast Ears of the City for anything said about the Hooded Lord, the baubles, and about you (since our enemies obviously talk about us)
-[X] Use Discern Location to try to locate the bauble.
-[X] if that doesn't work, demand the hooded Lord meets you, you have accommodated their customs as much as possible, it's time for them to begin paying proper respect to the law of the realm if there is to be any hope of coexistence.
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Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
They should go to folks with high attack bonuses. We could give Waymar, Richard, Bronn, and Sandor one. They make good backup weapons and secondary attackers.
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- Mexico
I am not saying they don't have significance, but the pact itself it's an agreement between parties, and their position it's not as strong that we need to have them or remain under the agreement.
Pacts can be reforged, and giving them the chance to add in the investigation would be a great first step towards them keeping any part of the pact after we recover them all, for recover them we will.
We are basically doing them a favor, because they either want to cooperate with us and thus will help, or they don't and it will come to a fight we get them or not.
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- United States
I bet Melisandre and Benerro would be interested in purifying the elemental somehow.
We might be able to get a minion out of it if we're lucky.
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- ferreries
Informational threadmark "Titles of the empire".
Not entirely sure how you people missed this honestly.
[X] Duesal
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- United States
Oh, wow. It completely slipped my mind that DP made that an infopost.
This is a bad idea for a few reasons. One is that it's going to cause us problems with the fey; rightly or wrongly they'll cry foul and react as they think appropriate. Sure we'll win a fight, but they can be a nuisance for years to come. Further, even if we do get them out of the way without setting ourselves up for more stupid fey stuff, it costs us the opportunity to work with the fey here. If they think we're not a good trading partner because we flip the table when we get upset they won't work with us. Yes it's not quite right, but the fey are not quite right about a lot of things. It's not worth bending over backwards for, but it's not nothing.
It's also expensive to view doing any sort of negotiation with a weaker party as bending over backwards unless they bow down to our epic dragon swagger. It costs us in opportunity, reputation, and useful connections to willing partners.
Being polite is not an indignity, and talking first is a fine way to open a position. I get that some of stuff is irritating, but smashing the big dragon button over everything but immediate submission doesn't help us. Force is not a free option, it just loses us things that aren't on screen yet.
All this guy has done is not talk to us while we ignored him in favor of picking up escape clauses to his agreement. Feeling out what he wants, and how we can make him getting it profitable for us will net us more in the long run than throwing an expensive fit will.
We've succeeded in the past by finding ways address conflict like a business person as much as a king, and been rewarded for it. Let's not switch to acting like a Westerosi lord just because we aren't strapped for cash.
Edit: wrong word.
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- ?????????
In all honesty I want those trinkets so that we can use a ritual to dissolve or subsume this market. If these fuckers had come to us and asked for business to be opened we would have let them (provided they follow our laws obviously). With this back end bullshit I am inclined to use the trinkets to close the market with everyone there still in it and trap them like Braniac did Kandor.
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- Mexico
I disagree with your assessment.
Collecting the trinkets and playing nice it's fine for our subordinates, but a king cannot be seen running around looking for favor before negotiating with what is effectively a subject, this is particularly important because the expectations of this Fey court will likely be moulded by this.
As for they being trading partners, this is also a test, can they respect us as much as we respect them? We have most of the trinkets, we have the city, they need to meet us.
If they refuse then they simply are not trade partner material, we value the ability to adapt to the realm, and we have so far completely played by their rules while they ignore ours.
Either the Lord is reasonable and we will have an amenable meeting, or he isn't and bending over backwards for him was never worth it in the first place.
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- United States
Name: Viserys Targaryen -- Level: 18 (154,276/171,000 XP) + 650 XP --> (154,926/171,000 XP)
Name: Daenerys Targaryen -- Level: 17 (145,262/153,000 XP) + 1,330 XP --> (146,592/153,000 XP)
Name: Ser Richard Lonmouth -- Level: 17 (143,368/153,000 XP) + 1,330 XP --> (144,698/153,000 XP)
Name: Lya -- Level: 17 (140,849/153,000 XP) + 1,330 XP --> (142,179/153,000 XP)
Name: Vee -- Level: 16 (128,604/136,000 XP) + 2,100 XP --> (130,704/136,000 XP)
Name: Malarys Vanor -- Level: 16 (128,533/136,000 XP) + 2,100 XP --> (130,633/136,000 XP)
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Relath -- Sorcerer 2 --> LEVEL UP!
Zherys -- Not really sure -->LEVEL UP!