I mean, if going for unsubtle, let's start with burning shadows.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Brazil
Yes. Triggering half of them is far better than rushing up the stage and triggering three or four.
@BoneyM is there a barrel of fungus beer nearby which we could procure?
We can stand right on the edge of a bonfire thanks to the belt, right? That would give our burning shadows a really wide angle and let us change the target area with a simple sidestep. We've trained to have a decent reach with the spell too. How about doppleganger and take no heed to walk up to the nearest bonfire and start corroding? Begin with the ballistae and the goblins around them - even the shallow damage done to objects will do a number on bow cords and torsion cables.
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- Location
- Brazil
[X] Plan Sneaky Git
-[X] Doppelganger and Take no Heed to walk around and collect some torches from side tunnels.
-[X] Sneak about the edges of the room until you are level with the bolt throwers.
-[X] Fling the torches to the middle of the stage, and use Move to pull the triggers on as many bolt throwers as you can.
-[X] Sneak out of the gates during the ensuing confusion.
-[X] Doppelganger and Take no Heed to walk around and collect some torches from side tunnels.
-[X] Sneak about the edges of the room until you are level with the bolt throwers.
-[X] Fling the torches to the middle of the stage, and use Move to pull the triggers on as many bolt throwers as you can.
-[X] Sneak out of the gates during the ensuing confusion.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
We could probably climb on the bonfire and roleplay a witch burning gone rogue.
Hell we could apparently stand WITHIN the bonfire. Though I'm not sure how that would mess with the shadows. Would make it relatively difficult to tell what the hell we were though.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That...could work. Throw in Dread Aspect and we might be able to start a stampede.
- Location
- Earth
You remember that part where we talked about how if you get into a fight where you have to cast dozens, hundreds of spells, you're doing it wrong. This is what I meant. Go back and reread Mat's reaction to drawing the attention of this many goblins.
There is no fighting thousands of goblins alone. It isn't happening. Bonfires don't matter. Spells don't matter. That's not a fight she can win, and she knows it. Just read her reaction. If everyone in this room comes after us, our choices are Stand and Die, or Run for your life. Battle Wizards don't want to fight a thousand goblins alone.
Wizard Lords don't want to fight a thousand goblins alone. Don't win a Darwin award folks. Our Job is Sabotage and Scouting.
If we had an option for destroying the siege weapons, I might be interested. As is? No thanks. Don't start a fight we can't finish.
See the issue with both those plans is simple. How are you going to stealth carrying torches? You can't. And the instant you fire those bolt throwers, every goblin in the place is going to be looking for you. So how are you going to bring torches(or another kind of fire) within reach of the siege, to do both?
EDIT: The quote appears to have bugged out. Not idea how.
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
Three or four spells isn't "dozens or hundreds"
Using magic to fire the bolt throwers obviously. We can stick to the wall while doing that and still reach half.
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Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
[X] Plan Murderbeast Distraction
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
-- [X] By unleashing whatever is under this floor upon the greenskins above it.
-[X] Slip out...
-- [X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
Keep it simple. Boney has in the past levied penalties for trying to do too much, so it stands to reason focusing on one task will have benefits from focus, and this seems like the most all-in-one option. We don't need to sabotage the bolt throwers if whatever this murderbeast is eats half the crews and smashes some of them in the course of its rampage, and frankly, unloading the bolt throwers seems like a poor option to me - they can just be reloaded.
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
-- [X] By unleashing whatever is under this floor upon the greenskins above it.
-[X] Slip out...
-- [X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
Keep it simple. Boney has in the past levied penalties for trying to do too much, so it stands to reason focusing on one task will have benefits from focus, and this seems like the most all-in-one option. We don't need to sabotage the bolt throwers if whatever this murderbeast is eats half the crews and smashes some of them in the course of its rampage, and frankly, unloading the bolt throwers seems like a poor option to me - they can just be reloaded.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I agree with keeping it simple, but I'm not so sure it'll be so easy to get the beasts out of the pit, nevermind if they'll actually attack. Though considering that Boney pointed out gown this plane is good some ways, stupid in others, makes me think it's at least possible they didn't think "hey, what happens to us when the beasties get out and the sneaky rats iz ded?"
Undead-Spaceman
Skeleton Supreme
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
[X] Plan Murderbeast Distraction
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
-- [X] By unleashing whatever is under this floor upon the greenskins above it.
-[X] Slip out...
-- [X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
I have to agree, keep it simple. I want dead goblins as much as the next guy but we don't have to do it all at once. No need to get greedy.
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
-- [X] By unleashing whatever is under this floor upon the greenskins above it.
-[X] Slip out...
-- [X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
I have to agree, keep it simple. I want dead goblins as much as the next guy but we don't have to do it all at once. No need to get greedy.
- Location
- Leeds
Didn't we just go over this? An explosive invisible two ton boulder.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Plan Murderbeast Distraction
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Hm. The floor is super rickity, which makes me think there's probably only a few support beams running under it. To some degree, we even know where one of those beams is, since it's where the fulcrum was when the floor started to tilt. And since the beams are under the floor, they should be almost entirely in shadow.
@BoneyM , would it be possible to turn the support beam under the floor insubstantial, making the floor collapse down into the pit as more-or-less one piece? That would give the gribblies a ready-made ramp to use to get out, albeit a flimsy one.
@BoneyM , would it be possible to turn the support beam under the floor insubstantial, making the floor collapse down into the pit as more-or-less one piece? That would give the gribblies a ready-made ramp to use to get out, albeit a flimsy one.
- Location
- Brazil
Take no Heed + Doppelgänger.
"Nothing out of the ordinary here".
Then the next thing they know is that dozens of bolt throwers have been fired and the stage is on fire.
No one will notice the single goblin skulking in the shadows, especially a he still has a notice-me-not aura.
Your noise plan draws too much attention, too early.
Given how massively convenient it is to fire a solid half of the bolt throwers just be sneaking besides the stage, not incorporating it into a plan is a waste.
1) The support beam would not be a separate object for the purposes of this spell, 2) you cannot see the support beam to cast this spell on it, 3) It would continue having the same effect it is having on the rest of the structure.
Throwing burning torches would very much fall under the heading of 'drawing attention to yourself'.
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- Location
- Brazil
I thought they are turned towards the gate?
Would an invisible boulder work with Take no Heed, then? Just a bit of odd gesticulation in the shadows by the edges of the stage...
Unleashing the beast seems a bit fiddly at present, since we don't know how smart it is.
However, fire fixes that.
[X] Plan Fire Is Distracting
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
--[X] By setting the wooden floors aflame.
---[X] Closer to the siege engines if you can manage that.
-[X] Slip out...
--[X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
Reasoning:
-Given how close the wooden floor is to the siege engines, a fire has a chance of setting the engines or their bolts on fire. This means goblins running around trying to stop the fire, which means goblins near the gribblies OR goblins abandoning their siege engines. We win either way
-Fire on the rickety wooden floor means the floor will collapse unevenly, giving the beasts readymade ladders to climb up.
-Flaming bits landing on beasts or even people of any sort tends to make them panic and run around screaming. This means we have higher chance of the beasts doing damage.
-Given the map, the wooden floors on fire will cast lots of shadows because the siege engines are between the goblins and the fire. This is good for us if we need to change plans midway.
-Given the map, the siege engines will hide the fire from the feasting goblins until its large enough to be visible or until the beasts are going nuts, letting it spread further before they take action to put out.
Setting things on fire is one of the routinely simplest sabotage methods
However, fire fixes that.
[X] Plan Fire Is Distracting
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
--[X] By setting the wooden floors aflame.
---[X] Closer to the siege engines if you can manage that.
-[X] Slip out...
--[X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
Reasoning:
-Given how close the wooden floor is to the siege engines, a fire has a chance of setting the engines or their bolts on fire. This means goblins running around trying to stop the fire, which means goblins near the gribblies OR goblins abandoning their siege engines. We win either way
-Fire on the rickety wooden floor means the floor will collapse unevenly, giving the beasts readymade ladders to climb up.
-Flaming bits landing on beasts or even people of any sort tends to make them panic and run around screaming. This means we have higher chance of the beasts doing damage.
-Given the map, the wooden floors on fire will cast lots of shadows because the siege engines are between the goblins and the fire. This is good for us if we need to change plans midway.
-Given the map, the siege engines will hide the fire from the feasting goblins until its large enough to be visible or until the beasts are going nuts, letting it spread further before they take action to put out.
Setting things on fire is one of the routinely simplest sabotage methods
[X] Plan Murderbeast Distraction
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
-- [X] By unleashing whatever is under this floor upon the greenskins above it.
-[X] Slip out...
-- [X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
This keeps it simple, kills goblins, hopefully lets us figure out what the beasts are, and hopefully keeps the artillery offline during the battle to come.
-[X] Sabotage the defences...
-- [X] By unleashing whatever is under this floor upon the greenskins above it.
-[X] Slip out...
-- [X] By walking out while they're otherwise distracted. (note: ensure your plan includes an otherwise distraction)
This keeps it simple, kills goblins, hopefully lets us figure out what the beasts are, and hopefully keeps the artillery offline during the battle to come.
There's hundreds of them. They're not all going to be looking in the same direction.
Invisible boulder got hit with the nerfbat.
- Anything longer in any dimension than a meter, or heavier than 10kg/22lbs, will be much more difficult to cast this upon; anything more than twice that is approaching the limits of possibility.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
So, we can't cast it on people?