And this is what I'm talking about. We had a massive opportunity cost FOR NOTHING.
We gained nothing. We killed dwarves by lack of intelligence. We gave the enemy at most a minor annoyance.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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We gained nothing. We killed dwarves by lack of intelligence. We gave the enemy at most a minor annoyance.
- Location
- Upon the back of the Great A'Tuin
Well then! For rolling so poorly I think that went rather well. We uh, may want to leave out how long it took us to escape when we tell the story though.
[X] Having successfully escaped, you can now move on...
-[X] To the King's Gates, to scout the outer defences.
[X] Having successfully escaped, you can now move on...
-[X] To the King's Gates, to scout the outer defences.
Did anyone every ask about whether the Grey College spells from the more recent edition of WFRP were potentially learnable/developable?
Things like Blade in the Dark, where the Grey Wizard stabs their sword through one shadow and it emerges from another to stab someone might fit with the Shadow Knight concept, while the Second Shadow, where you attach your shadow to someone else and it follows them around to spy on them would help with espionage. For other situations, the Shadow Strikes (where an enemy's own shadow attacks them as if they'd struck themselves) is another nice assassination spell. As is Traitor of Tarn, where you take control of someone else's shadow and use it to shadow puppet them to force them to attack someone else.
This last spell would have been very useful in the last update. As would, probably, The Subtler Magic, a spell that prevents people from noticing or detecting subsequent spellcasting by the wizard.
Mathilde is literally a knight, after all. She might as well live up to her title.
As a side note, she can't be a priest as well, unless she invests a whole new sorcerous tradition.
Things like Blade in the Dark, where the Grey Wizard stabs their sword through one shadow and it emerges from another to stab someone might fit with the Shadow Knight concept, while the Second Shadow, where you attach your shadow to someone else and it follows them around to spy on them would help with espionage. For other situations, the Shadow Strikes (where an enemy's own shadow attacks them as if they'd struck themselves) is another nice assassination spell. As is Traitor of Tarn, where you take control of someone else's shadow and use it to shadow puppet them to force them to attack someone else.
This last spell would have been very useful in the last update. As would, probably, The Subtler Magic, a spell that prevents people from noticing or detecting subsequent spellcasting by the wizard.
Mathilde is literally a knight, after all. She might as well live up to her title.
As a side note, she can't be a priest as well, unless she invests a whole new sorcerous tradition.
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The wargame typically lasts six turns, so at most twelve rounds of combat. The effect is out of the scope of those mechanics. If a combat lasted longer than that, I'd have started accounting for fatigue narratively.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Yeah you're just blatantly ignoring what other people are saying, and are so utterly convinced you MUST be right you refuse to even consider that you might be wrong.
I seriously don't see any reason anyone should consider continuing this with you.
Not that I recall. I'll say that they're yet to be invented, or not yet in wider circulation among the Grey College.
Is it still possible, though? The ability to fight or ride for a day or days without stopping can be useful even with risks from continuous casting.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
50% if we did not have to sleep, but Sleep has more functions than merely eliminating fatigue. Of course, fatigueless may offer a lot more than 50% time savings depending on what we do.
[X] You've finished scouting, you'll return to the Vanguard...
-[X] By slipping out the King's Gates.
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Ok guys, I'd be more careful with no-fatigue-mastery. I'd bet that like most magic it's not a safe effect to use continuously even without considering miscasts, and besides that it's Ulgu magic - which means it most probably "masks" fatigue rather than straight up removes it. So, useful to fight for hours straight when you have to, or turn into an item to ride 40 hours straight that one time everyone's life depend on it. Not useful to reduce your healthy sleep habits.
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- Earth
Yeah, let's not tempt the Warp. It's not 40k Warp, but it's still the Warp. Way I see it, if we ever get into a fight that is that desperate and long, we'll be thankful for it, and it might help in slightly extended battles, where we cast it a couple of times, since Mat will be full fresh for each individual clash, but there is no truly safe magic folks.
Being not tired with the spell will help with not being tired while casting all the other spells we need to, but the best solution for any battle like that is not to be in one.
If you need to cast dozens, even hundreds of spells, without rest, and the Everchosen is not on the field in a grand battle for the fate of the world, you are doing something wrong.
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- Location
- Brazil
@Hangwind I sort of agree with you that the action wasn't optimal, given the ensuing chase and loss of a scouting action.
At the same time, the same performance enhancing mushrooms that made the chase hard also allowed for us to gain a potentially incredibly valuable Mastery.
So I say it balances out.
@Dark as Silver Probably has a better point in that a plan that involves being seen at all was likely not the smartest choice when we are on a time crunch and a hard chase costs time.
Still, I think it was a valid tactic: we had to make some noise, so might as well try and go for incriminating someone else.
Just one more thing for the enchantment pile: gun with no sound and magical scope.
@BoneyM We visited half a dozen smiths in Zhufbar, could you give us the basics of dwarven longarms, OOC? Just to see how they hold up to our revolver.
At the same time, the same performance enhancing mushrooms that made the chase hard also allowed for us to gain a potentially incredibly valuable Mastery.
So I say it balances out.
@Dark as Silver Probably has a better point in that a plan that involves being seen at all was likely not the smartest choice when we are on a time crunch and a hard chase costs time.
Still, I think it was a valid tactic: we had to make some noise, so might as well try and go for incriminating someone else.
Just one more thing for the enchantment pile: gun with no sound and magical scope.
@BoneyM We visited half a dozen smiths in Zhufbar, could you give us the basics of dwarven longarms, OOC? Just to see how they hold up to our revolver.
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- somewhere over there.
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We don't need a magical scope, do we? We could just use the magical lenses we can make.
[X] Having successfully escaped, you can now move on...
-[X] To the King's Gates, to scout the outer defences.
Trying to improve Mathilde's enchanting sufficiently to create permanent Indefatigable Aethyric Armour seems safer.
I do wonder if Mathilde's belt would make it safe for her to have Maximillian to cast Law of Logic on her when she's doing research or enchanting. It almost certainly would be safe for theoretical work (which makes it a shame that she can't use it to help with studying things which need to be kept secret). An item that grants permanent Law of Logic would be very valuable to her. It's a pity she's unlikely to accrue sufficient college favours to commission one any time soon. Or a similar item of the Hysh spell Inspiration.
On the other hand, we are in a setting where powerful wizards can become statues of tireless living gold or whatever timeless entity that Elsbeth Von Draken became. Mathilde clearly isn't there yet, but multiple intersecting masteries may well be the path that leads to that kind of magical ascension.
Generally, it seems safer to have even petty magic like this as bound spells enchanted into items ahead of times rather than having to cast them in the heat of battle. Less to go wrong.
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- Brazil
I asked about it and the magical scope does precisely that.
We can't currently use the magical lenses like that, and would want at least some minor enchanted prop to help with it given its difficulties.
The baseline would be a choice between breech-loading ludicrous-caliber handgun, double-action revolver rifle, and a somewhat-less-reliable-than-dwarves-are-comfortable-with low-caliber tube-fed lever-action rifle. On top of that I'd do a diceroll to see if anything exotic pops up.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Are talking a Spencer Repeater or more of a '73 Winchester?
It does, but who knows, perhaps we'll need to fight a constant hit-and-run campaign for three days to save the entire expedition here. Better to have that option open, in that case.
TimEd
Meteor maker
if this had failed, we would have been Boned. Freaking Goblins rolled amazingly.
We basically know nothing at all, since all we encountered we sabotaged, so I doubt they would be able to do any fancy maneuvers against the dwarven invasion.
- Location
- Brazil
I think either the breech loader or the revolver would make good bases for a sniper rifle. First likely has stupid good accuracy, and likely guarantees things like "this Orc's skull is steel-plated" won't get in the way, and the second is what Gustav said: three bullets to the chest are often better than one in the head.
Is sound negation + magical lenses outside our current enchantment skill, or could it perhaps serve as a stepstone on raising it?
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