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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Zoxabels said:
and it was in the vote that won to use the crow swarm from the staff ?
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The issue is that Viserys very plainly saw that there was something wrong with the staff before using it. It has never behaved in that manner before. That's something that should have caused him to question the wisdom of using it at all, considering our current location. It should have at least become a new decision point for us.

Like I said, if we can just sever the connection without it biting us in the ass, I also would prefer to avoid a retcon.
 
Goldfish said:
I really don't like retcons, but I would have very much preferred to have the option to vote for Viserys to use the staff. I 100% guarantee you that we would have voted not to do it.

So long as cutting the connection with AMF, or through some other method, will be consequence free (assuming we can sort the OG out later), I'm fine with things as they stand.
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I... Disagree frankly.

I would rather have been buffed, but I think this was more than worth the risk here.

Edit: what coarse of action would you suggest after the theoretical retcon for example?
 
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You had been warned about the Old Gods reacting badly to Heaven and it was discussed to warn Bloodraven, yet not voted to do so. I'm strongly against a retcon, especially as Viserys has a history of poking weird magical effects with his face. (Ymeri tree, the Wall, etc.)
 
We are surrounded by the most competent healers and powerful divine mages of the material plane.

I would accept buffs~

For the millionth time~

Buffs are love. Possibly literally. Buffs are life.
 
Azel said:
You had been warned about the Old Gods reacting badly to Heaven and it was discussed to warn Bloodraven, yet not voted to do so. I'm strongly against a retcon, especially as Viserys has a history of poking weird magical effects with his face. (Ymeri tree, the Wall, etc.)
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Usually while far more prepared.

The Ymeri tree was after buffing himself with everything he could and then some and also had someone (Lya or Dany I don't remember) besides him with Alter Fortunes.

On the wall I honestly don't remember being fair
 
Azel said:
You had been warned about the Old Gods reacting badly to Heaven and it was discussed to warn Bloodraven, yet not voted to do so. I'm strongly against a retcon, especially as Viserys has a history of poking weird magical effects with his face. (Ymeri tree, the Wall, etc.)
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We knew exactly what we were getting into in those instances, and had a chance to prepare for Bad Stuff. This is the equivalent of us finding the Ymeri-tainted Weirwood, Viserys deciding to eat it without a vote, and only then having a chance to decide how to mitigate the effects.

I really don't want a retcon, so can we please just sever the connection without serious consequences and move on?
 
The crazy demon said:
Usually while far more prepared.

The Ymeri tree was after buffing himself with everything he could and then some and also had someone (Lya or Dany I don't remember) besides him with Alter Fortunes.

On the wall I honestly don't remember being fair
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We noticed the Wall was more dangerous the stronger you were and asked Soft Strider her perspective and buffed our will saves.

Honestly, headbutting the problem is very Viserys, but I do view him as someone who attempts to stack the odds as well as he can before doing so (i.e. buffs)

Honestly, I'm a bit ambivalent if we get retcon buffed, and this happens, in excatly the same way with the same outcome, but I still do not want to retcon the vote to summon ravens itself here.

@all, if we go amf, lya has celerity.

Edit: I was expecting consequences from the summon raven vote myself, so that I'm fine with, it's the lack of prep (buffs) I dislike.
 
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I'll be honest.

I wanted to use commune with nature so it would have a harder impact :V

There is a decent chance Danny AMFs us @Goldfish. Once she realizes something is wrong.
 
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Ah to hell with it.

[X] Use all your power to try and finish what the Old Gods cannot

The human race has already been dancing on the edge of oblivion since time immemorial considering someone decided it would be a great idea to break the positive planes of the goddamned multiverse, so why not do a fucking backflip while we're here?
 
Updating my plan;

[X] Lya uses Celerity along with Antimagic Field cast via Wild Arcana to immediately sever the connection.

Lya: "Chronomancy, bitches!"
 
@Duesal, you have convinced me.
[X] Duesal
Now write it up !

@DragonParadox, I am strongly against a retcon. This feels like a very Viserys thing to do.

Artemis1992 said:
Just using the update's words.
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Yes, yes.
I was trying to make a point along the lines of "this isn't some unique, legendary combatant. The City of Brass can produce many people of his level of dangerosity, each of which could kill Bronn and Maelor if needed".
 
Goldfish said:
We knew exactly what we were getting into in those instances, and had a chance to prepare for Bad Stuff. This is the equivalent of us finding the Ymeri-tainted Weirwood, Viserys deciding to eat it without a vote, and only then having a chance to decide how to mitigate the effects.
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That's... not what happened...

You were OOC aware of potential risks and voted to proceed after lengthy discussion on the topic of the Old Gods and their possibly adverse reactions to other planes.

So I added a spot of foreshadowing and Viserys proceeding, as everything seemed fine enough to him. Odd, but not alarmingly so as the power of the staff was responding normally.
 
Goldfish said:
Updating my plan;

[X] Lya uses Celerity along with Antimagic Field cast via Wild Arcana to immediately sever the connection.

Lya: "Chronomancy, bitches!"
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I mean it's a great idea, but it's kind of a dick move to leave Bloodraven dealing with all that by himself.

Better to just rip the bandaid off in my opinion cause we're going to have to deal with this one way or another and the O.G.s need to know what's going on outside of their nap hole.
 

[X] Use all your power to try and finish what the Old Gods cannot

I agree it was a weird decision for Viserys to make. Even then I'd prefer to push through
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I mean it's a great idea, but it's kind of a dick move to leave Bloodraven dealing with all that by himself.

Better to just rip the bandaid off in my opinion cause we're going to have to deal with this one way or another and the O.G.s need to know what's going on outside of their nap hole.
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The way Celerity works would allow Lya to sever the connection via AMF before the OG had their shit fit, basically as soon as she saw anything wrong with Viserys.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@Duesal, you have convinced me.
[X] Duesal
Now write it up !
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The default vote is pretty much the plan. The Old Gods are panicking because they can sense the taint but can't see it. Using Mythic power to help the raven swarm manifest properly will let them see and go a long way towards calming them down since they won't be blindly flailing in the dark anymore.
 
Goldfish said:
The way Celerity works would allow Lya to sever the connection via AMF before the OG had their shit fit, basically as soon as she saw anything wrong with Viserys.
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Nawwww, major disagreement. It is cast the instant the vote is available, rather than the usual standard action after the vote.

Very, very much better than not using celerity, but not as soon as I would like :/

Don't suppose you can put in Viserys trying to communicate with the OG in terms of "shield" so that they know why the and is going up? Just a vague empathic communication via the staff?
 
[X] Use all your power to try and finish what the Old Gods cannot

It's always amusing to watch Viserys being stupid. At least the results are Always interesting.:lol
 
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