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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Dracikral said:
Is it just me or is it kinda hilarious that we starting handing out Valyrian swords just around the same time the Lannisters finally get their own? Like it took Tywin so long to find a coveted Valyrian sword and they just start popping up all over the place.
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He'll be pissed. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

The only thing better would be if we found Brightroar and randomly resurrected a Reyne to wield it against the Lannisters.
 
The Reach being loyalist is questionable. Some lords did their duty in the rebellion. Tarly attacked Robert and I could be wrong but didn't Mace take the credit for that? It is basically finding who are actually loyal and those that really were out for themselves. Tyrells for example. They can talk to us anytime but didn't.
 
Snowfire said:
@Paradosi what would you suggest saying then? As far as I can tell, the general thread opinion is that we just want the Tryells removed. That isn't going to play well here and now.
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We don't even need to bring that up(even though we can point to how we're disappointed in how Mace just planted his fat ass at Storm's End for majority of the war), we just need to make him see that we haven't forgotten the Reach. If we ignore our loyalists, it brings up the question of why anyone should be loyal to us in the first place(and yes, we know we're great IC and OOC, but why would that be obvious to others?).
 
Snowfire said:
Looking back, I think the main issue with the Tyrells is that they're literally and very openly only out for themselves. That's literally all they care for. And that...isn't going to work with the apocalypse scale threats bearing down on us. We need lords that we can trust in the face of those, and Mace just...isn't. I could be wrong, but this feels like the PoV of the thread.
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I'm not too deeply educated on ASoF&I, but this summarizes my understanding of the situation as well. They're fence sitters who don't even commit properly once the war is over. They're basically mnemonic Dorne but with land worth a damn and a boner for Chivalry instead of Poison.

Duesal said:
He'll be pissed. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

The only thing better would be if we found Brightroar and randomly resurrected a Reyne to wield it against the Lannisters.
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I'm in favor of Plan: Give Tywin A Stroke.

We could spend some Divinations of trying to narrow down Brightroar's location?
 
Paradosi said:
We don't even need to bring that up(even though we can point to how we're disappointed in how Mace just planted his fat ass at Storm's End for majority of the war), we just need to make him see that we haven't forgotten the Reach. If we ignore our loyalists, it brings up the question of why anyone should be loyal to us in the first place(and yes, we know we're great IC and OOC, but why would that be obvious to others?).
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I mean, I'd say that one of my last lines does that, pointing to their own defenders existing shows we know of them. But how would you add that in? I'm legitimately asking here.
 
mrsean22 said:
The Reach being loyalist is questionable. Some lords did their duty in the rebellion. Tarly attacked Robert and I could be wrong but didn't Mace take the credit for that? It is basically finding who are actually loyal and those that really were out for themselves. Tyrells for example. They can talk to us anytime but didn't.
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Tarly gave Bobby B his only loss in the Rebellion and Mace took credit, yes. That begs the point/question as to why we hadn't made overtures to House Tarly though, which is where we come back to us ignoring the Reach.
 
Paradosi said:
We don't even need to bring that up(even though we can point to how we're disappointed in how Mace just planted his fat ass at Storm's End for majority of the war), we just need to make him see that we haven't forgotten the Reach. If we ignore our loyalists, it brings up the question of why anyone should be loyal to us in the first place(and yes, we know we're great IC and OOC, but why would that be obvious to others?).
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We're kinda side-stepping that issue entirely but stating we're only visiting such places in order to defend/reinforce the areas against demon/devil/Other plots, rather than try to either connect with loyalist lords or support certain houses against others. I mean IC we've supported several lords over others, but some of that was solely to deny the Lannisters and Kings Landing resources such as Dragons.
 
@Azel, I am alarmed by the conclave at Oldtown. Should we try to influence it? Or are you just expecting to crush it under our new legal system and say "fuck it"?

People, the conclave seems to be determining major responses to magic like "raising the dead" and whatnot. Important cultural issues. It could be to our advantage to get involved now!
 
[X] Snowfire

@Snowfire take a stroll through the comments and address the political concerns if at all possible.

It mostly seems like its a political quagmire of questionable and divided loyalties, that's isn't even on fire at the moment.
 
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@Snowfire, you are right. The Tyrells have shown themselves as mostly self-serving. They backed the Targs, but when things went south, they chilled in the Stormlands and waited to see who would win. Now they kneel before Robert and try to curry favor with him.

Why should we trust someone like that against the likes of the Illithid, the Others or Asmodeus?
 
Azel said:
@Snowfire, you are right. The Tyrells have shown themselves as mostly self-serving. They backed the Targs, but when things went south, they chilled in the Stormlands and waited to see who would win. Now they kneel before Robert and try to curry favor with him.

Why should we trust someone like that against the likes of the Illithid, the Others or Asmodeus?
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Ok then.

How do I put this across without saying so when it's the actual answer to the question being asked by Paxter here?
 
Snowfire said:
I mean, I'd say that one of my last lines does that, pointing to their own defenders existing shows we know of them. But how would you add that in? I'm legitimately asking here.
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Hm. Maybe allude to our plans for the Reach?

Actually, who do we want to replace the Tyrells with? House Tarly? House Hightower? House Redwyne?
 
Snowfire said:
Oh, and a totally non-issue nitpick:


Tail up means a cat is happy.
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Well it's mostly that they're alert/focused. Could be happy or not.

Also do you think you can fit in a mention about Cersei laughing off the complaints of the Point Lords re Illithid incursions? It happened a few years ago irl and in universe, but it lead to an very angry Tywin wanting to know why he nearly got brain jacked.

Azel said:
Frankly, my desire for getting Ioun stones for Lya is mostly stylistic. She really deserves some distinct piece of equipment by now and it would fit well with her image.
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Duesal said:
Hey, that's totally fair. A big reason I love Valyrian Steel so much is just because of how cool it looks, even if Adamantine outclasses it.
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AESTHTIC OVER ALL.

Tomcost said:
Glyra approves.

Also Leto, but she is not saying that loudly.
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Abraxas is a demon lord. Leto would be outright campaigning for that shit if she's learned enough to try persuading people by that point.

Paradosi said:
People, you're focusing on the Night's Watch when that wasn't quite all of what he'd asked. He wants to know why we aren't making moves in the Reach, the Reach which was(and likely is) loyalist. We've made moves in Dorne, in the Crownlands, in the Stormlands, in the Riverlands and in the North. Heck, we've even made moves in the Iron Islands.

You look at all that and then you look at how we've pretty much ignored our most prominent loyalist base. How could he not be confused?
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Oh yeah I agree. He thinks we're mostly interacting to secure support for a restoration/support loyalists. I legit think when we mess around in Westeros it's largely to prevent certain parts from becoming blighted lifeless nothing-Ness, devil dancing grounds, illithid breeding stocks, etc. Aka it would be nice if we had the time to purely interact based on loyalties during the Rebellion/get support for the upcoming restoration but no there are too many literally and metaphorical fires to put out everywhere.

"We are not trying to 'reward' people right now. We are trying to ensure the kingdoms exist."

I feel that the Snowfire/Artemis vote does a good job of expressing that.

[X] Snowfire
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
...There are dragons, not Valyrian, but True dragons flying around. There are fey which can warp the fabric of reality. There are sea-monsters that rise from the oceans ransacking ports. There are creatures which can eat the fey for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Creatures once only in ancient banners come to life once more and somehow undead ice zombies is where they draw the fucking line. Westeros can fuck itself. I hate it already. I get that it is religious and that makes the Seven even worse for me because they know it is real and they have misled their faithful yet again.
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More than 300 years of gods being almost unable to contact their faithful, I doubt the Seven planned for their faithful to dismiss such threats, their faith just mutated while they were unable to communicate.
 
It the vote isn't set in stone yet, as I'm on my phone and don't have time to go through the pages.

We should first explain we haven't given anything to the north but to the black brother as we've fought the White Walkers and their lesser kin they awaken and grow stronger every day. As for the Starks I was there in the Red Keep when his father and brother died, killed not like nobles, or even 'small folk', but killed as if they were less than animals. There are families I own depts of service to, but there is only one family I owe a debt for the sins of my family.


Did we ever try to confirm that Vis's father and brother weren't being fucked with by outside forces, even if it was just a voice in their head?
 
lancelot said:
It the vote isn't set in stone yet, as I'm on my phone and don't have time to go through the pages.

We should first explain we haven't given anything to the north but to the black brother as we've fought the White Walkers and their lesser kin they awaken and grow stronger every day. As for the Starks I was there in the Red Keep when his father and brother died, killed not like nobles, or even 'small folk', but killed as if they were less than animals. There are families I own depts of service to, but there is only one family I owe a debt for the sins of my family.


Did we ever try to confirm that Vis's father and brother weren't being fucked with by outside forces, even if it was just a voice in their head?
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I really am not keen on taking responsibility for Aerys actions.
 
Also, as for the Tyrells, while we have a good case for being disappointed/disgusted with Mace, what reason do we have to be against Willas, Garlan, Loras or Margaery? Heck, Willas is wise, learned and is someone who didn't even hold a grudge against Oberyn for crippling him.

Though the incident fanned the flames of the considerable and historical enmity between Houses Tyrell and Martell, Willas bore Oberyn no personal ill will and the two long remained in correspondence, sharing a passion for horseflesh.[4]
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The Fat Flower thrust him into tourneys at too tender an age, just as he did the other two. He wanted another Leo Longthorn, and made himself a cripple.[3]
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I think we have to remember that not all the Tyrells are Mace.
 
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