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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Angelform said:
Make new robes, sell old robes as Genuine Wizard Chic.
Or give them to a journeyman off out into the world who could do with some extra armour.
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Sure, there's things you could do with it. But it's a pretty narrow window where the new upgrade is needed - you have to be ambushed or something so you have no time to cast the Simple spell, but also need the protection of full plate over chainmail that our new, higher-Magic spell provides. In 9 out of 10 fights we're the ambushing party or going to war, and we have plenty of time to cast the spell. Actually, I'm not sure, have we ever been ambushed and unable to get Aetheric Armor up?

I'm not sure that's worth a month of our time, particularly considering we already have a Kragg-made runic belt with protection runes on on top of our robes. At some point, more becomes unnecessary.
 
[X] Plan Rout the Enemy
Adhoc vote count started by EVA-Saiyajin on Apr 24, 2018 at 5:02 PM, finished with 17946 posts and 59 votes.
  • [X] Plan Rout the Enemy
    - [X] [Mathilde] Striking at enemy lines wherever they seem most vulnerable
    - [X] [Esbern & Seija] With the Demigryph Knights
    - [X] [Panoramia] With Ulthar's rangers
    - [X] [Maximilian] With Codrin's archers
    - [X] [Johann] With the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Highly Visible Ninja Wizard
    -[X][Mathilde] Striking at enemy lines wherever they seem most vulnerable
    -[X][Esbern & Seija] With the Demigryph Knights
    -[X][Panoramia] With Titus' skirmishers
    -[X][Maximilian] With Codrin's archers
    -[X][Johann] With the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Wizard Hunter
    -[x] Trying to flank the enemy to strike at spellcasters and siege weapons
    -[X][Esbern & Seija] With the Demigryph Knights
    -[X][Panoramia] With Titus' skirmishers
    -[X] [Maximilian] With Titus' skirmishers
    -[X][Johann] With the Siege Engine crews
    [X]Plan Leeroy
    -[X] Mounting your Shadowsteed and fighting with:
    - [X] The demigryph knights
    -[X] With you
    -[X] With Titus' skirmishers
    -[X] With Ulthar's rangers
    -[X] With the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Wizard Shipping
    -[X][Mathilde] Striking at enemy lines wherever they seem most vulnerable
    -[X][Esbern & Seija] With the Demigryph Knights
    -[X][Panoramia] With Codrin's archers
    -[X][Maximilian] With Codrin's archers
    -[X][Johann] With the Siege Engine crews
    [x] Plan Strike Team and Buffs
    -[x] {Mathilde} Trying to flank the enemy to strike at spellcasters and siege weapons
    -[x] {Esbern and Seija} With the Demigryph Knights
    -[x] {Panoramia} With you
    -[x] { Johann} With the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Specialists to their specialties
    -[x] Mathilde: Mounting your Shadowsteed and fighting with:
    --[x] The Winter Wolves
    -[x] Esbern and Seija: With the Demigryph Knights
    -[x] Panoramia: With Ulthar's rangers
    -[x] Maximilian: With Codrin's archers
    -[x] Johan: With the Siege Engine crews
    [x] Plan Gank the Mages
    -[x] Trying to flank the enemy to strike at spellcasters and siege weapons
    -[X] With you
    -[x] With Codrin's archers
    -[X] With Ulthar's rangers
    -[X] With the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Rout the Enemy
    - [X] Striking at enemy lines wherever they seem most vulnerable
    - [X] With the Demigryph Knights
    - [X] With Ulthar's rangers
    - [X] With Codrin's archers
    - [X] With the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Austria
    -[X] Mathilde striking at enemy lines wherever they seem most vulnerable
    -[X] Amber Wizards with the Demigryph Knights
    -[x] Panoramia: With Ulthar's rangers
    -[x] Maximilian: With Codrin's archers
    -[X] Johann with the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Plan Rout the Enemy​

    [X] Plan Highly Visible Ninja Wizard ​
    [X] Plan Rout the Enemy
    - [X] [Mathilde] Striking at enemy lines wherever they seem most vulnerable
    - [X] [Esbern & Seija] With the Demigryph Knights
    - [X] [Panoramia] With Ulthar's rangers
    - [X] [Maximilian] With Codrin's archers
    - [X] [Johann] With the Siege Engine crews
    [x] Plan Strike Team and Buffs
    -[x] Trying to flank the enemy to strike at spellcasters and siege weapons
    -[x] Esbern and Seija: With the Demigryph Knights
    -[X] With you
    -[X] Johann with the Siege Engine crews
    [X] Sticking close to Belegar, just in case.
    [X] Plan Linebreaker
    -[X] Joining the fighting wherever it's thickest
    --[X] Fighting among dwarves
    -[X][Esbern & Seija] With the Demigryph Knights
    -[X][Panoramia] With Titus' skirmishers
    -[X] [Maximilian] With Titus' skirmishers
    -[X][Johann] With the Siege Engine crews
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We should write up the maths we did to base the enchantment on several stiff plates to give a flexible enchanted whole. That was some clever work. Hardly as impressive as the Matrix but a steady stream of solid articles is good for our Learning and our college rep.
 
Artemis1992 said:
She'll do the heaviest, most obvious casting of all Wizards, I don't want to put her with the suspicious peasants who might prefer to stab her back over letting her work her magic.
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People seem to be taking it as a given that all of Codrin's archers are wizard-murderers just waiting to assassinate a friendly (in the sense of being on their side, though she's also quite personable) wizard in the middle of a battle. What a ridiculously paranoid notion.

Sure, they were some of the most traditionalist and superstitious parts of Stirland's army. They won't like her, and they'll grumble. But remember that these men were members of the Stirland army, who fought in the Purge of the Drakenhofs with, and later led by, a wizard. And gosh, who happens to be leading the expedition's wizards? Why, that same terrifying vengeful woman who repaid the death of her liege with the utter destruction of the centre of Sylvania's evil. Imagine what she'd do to you if you harmed someone under her care.

And that's on top of being reasonably disciplined ex-soldiers who don't just kill people on their side just because. Ugh, I don't even have the mental energy to finish this comment properly because of how silly the idea is.
 
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[X] Plan Rout the Enemy

[X] Plan Highly Visible Ninja Wizard
Rafin said:
@Zaratustra, @Prospalz and @ everyone who voted for one of the top two plans:
Is there any specific reason that you prefer Max to accompany Cordrin's human forces as opposed to one of the other two (either joining Panoramia or not)?
I feel like I can be more happy with the current tally if only I hear a couple of convincing arguments in favor of the only part that I'm currently iffy about.
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Because Codrin has a mainly traditional archer force, and Max is a crack archer.

Halflings and Dwarves go for crossbows.
Guile said:
Sure, there's things you could do with it. But it's a pretty narrow window where the new upgrade is needed - you have to be ambushed or something so you have no time to cast the Simple spell, but also need the protection of full plate over chainmail that our new, higher-Magic spell provides. In 9 out of 10 fights we're the ambushing party or going to war, and we have plenty of time to cast the spell. Actually, I'm not sure, have we ever been ambushed and unable to get Aetheric Armor up?

I'm not sure that's worth a month of our time, particularly considering we already have a Kragg-made runic belt with protection runes on on top of our robes. At some point, more becomes unnecessary.
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Keep in mind, having the equivalent of fullplate armour over your eyelids, while still just wearing a robe, is a very neat trick. That's one of the biggest advantages, you get your own personal forcefield.

The Seed helps a lot, but we don't want to frivolously waste charges.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Keep in mind, having the equivalent of fullplate armour over your eyelids, while still just wearing a robe, is a very neat trick. That's one of the biggest advantages, you get your own personal forcefield.

The Seed helps a lot, but we don't want to frivolously waste charges.
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But you already have chainmail over your eyes. Plus a legendary defensive belt. And resurrection. Also, plate over our eyes in every fight we have a second to cast, which is almost all of them.

I still consider a month of our time more valuable.
 
Guile said:
I do worry somewhat that putting our wizard archers with the clever-at-hiding but physically super weak halflings might be a problem.

Like, if they get hit the halflings are going to melt away leaving the wizards exposed.
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Keep in mind that Panoramia is as good at stealth as any halfling fieldwarden. The Amber and Life wizards include stealth as part of the curriculum.
Not sure about Maximilian though, never seen him sneak.

noliar said:
We should write up the maths we did to base the enchantment on several stiff plates to give a flexible enchanted whole. That was some clever work. Hardly as impressive as the Matrix but a steady stream of solid articles is good for our Learning and our college rep.
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We do have a Gold wizard enchanter here to try to hash out terminology that works for both disciplines maybe?
 
Guile said:
Also, plate over our eyes in every fight we have a second to cast, which is almost all of them.
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Hm? I thought the ability to evenly spread the protection is unique to the robe? At least in the sense the normal spell just mimics armour.

I'm not saying we should do it ASAP. But it'd certainly be nice, and selling the robe would earn us a few favors I'm sure.

In any case, that trait for tooless enchanting has proven itself worth in gold with the amount of work we get done with it. And we haven't even enchanted anything.
 
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Seventeen said:
People seem to be taking it as a given that all of Codrin's archers are wizard-murderers just waiting to assassinate a friendly (in the sense of being on their side, though she's also quite personable) wizard in the middle of a battle. What a ridiculously paranoid notion.

Sure, they were some of the most traditionalist and superstitious parts of Stirland's army. They won't like her, and they'll grumble. But remember that these men were members of the Stirland army, who fought in the Purge of the Drakenhofs with, and later led by, a wizard. And gosh, who happens to be leading the expedition's wizards? Why, that same terrifying vengeful woman who repaid the death of her liege with the utter destruction of the centre of Sylvania's evil. Imagine what she'd do to you if you harmed someone under her care.

And that's on top of being reasonably disciplined ex-soldiers who don't just kill people on their side just because. Ugh, I don't even have the mental energy to finish this comment properly because of how silly the idea is.
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It only takes one angry asshole to ruin things for everyone and there are 10,000 men who can potentially fit that description, plenty of room for someone who dislikes wizards for whatever reason to maybe be a bit careless or outright malicious. Is it paranoid to be cautious about Codrin's forces? Maybe, but it's not paranoia if it turns out they're after you and there's plenty of other places our wizards can be effective. It would be paranoid to think all of Codrin's forces are wizard murderers but the idea there could be a few in that 10,000 is absolutely a justifiable concern.

As for the part about disciplined ex-soldiers not killing people on their side just because they don't like the people on their side. Well, Codrin is an excellent example that yes there are people totally willing to do that. Codrin is absolutely willing to kill the majority of a force of 10,000 adventurers because he doesn't trust them.
 
The robe being enchanted is much more important now we're dealing with skaven and their assassins. It means that if they throw a poisoned shuriken at her or try to stab her with a stiletto in her sleep, for example, it will bounce off.

It's well worth a month's expenditure of effort when the siege is over.

This may also apply to other critical non-dwarves.
 
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Alratan said:
The robe being enchanted is much more important now we're dealing with skaven and their assassins. It means that if they throw a poisoned shuriken at her or try to stab her with a stiletto in her sleep, for example, it will bounce off.
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The armour needs to be manually activated and only lasts for several minutes.
 
WorldSlayer said:
It only takes one angry asshole to ruin things for everyone and there are 10,000 men who can potentially fit that description, plenty of room for someone who dislikes wizards for whatever reason to maybe be a bit careless or outright malicious. Is it paranoid to be cautious about Codrin's forces? Maybe, but it's not paranoia if it turns out they're after you and there's plenty of other places our wizards can be effective. It would be paranoid to think all of Codrin's forces are wizard murderers but the idea there could be a few in that 10,000 is absolutely a justifiable concern.

As for the part about disciplined ex-soldiers not killing people on their side just because they don't like the people on their side. Well, Codrin is an excellent example that yes there are people totally willing to do that. Codrin is absolutely willing to kill the majority of a force of 10,000 adventurers because he doesn't trust them.
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I want to argue this, but I'm tired, you were the only other person voting for my plan anyway, and there's barely any difference if we put them with either of the other archer groups, so why bother.
 
Alratan said:
The robe being enchanted is much more important now we're dealing with skaven and their assassins. It means that if they throw a poisoned shuriken at her or try to stab her with a stiletto in her sleep, for example, it will bounce off.

It's well worth a month's expenditure of effort when the siege is over.

This may also apply to other critical non-dwarves.
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Been over this. Most people don't WANT magic equipment, the few who do usually want something specific.

Best use there is likely for the Journeymanlings, who'd may be open to the idea of a Magic 9 set of armor robes...can't recall if interference was a concern however.
 
Regarding selling the robes, we can't; only the college itself is allowed to sell enchantments (though we could give it to someone).

I do certainly have I bias here though; I've been raising armor for Wolf and skywalk for shadowsteeds as possibilities for a while now, so I'd much rather do those than redo our robe.
 
Zaratustra said:
While I behind making armor for Wolf how exactly is skywalk for shadowsteeds even suposed to work ?
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Simple: we enchant a set of reins or something with skywalk, and then activate it whenever we need to gallop over something (like a chasm too far to cross with regular skywalk or a group of angry foes blocking our charge/escape.)
 
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racnor said:
Simple: we enchant a set of reins or something with skywalk, and then activate it whenever we need to gallop over something (like a chasm too far to cross with regular skywalk or a group of angry foes blocking our charge/escape.
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We could you know just learn the spell that turns the shadow steed into a shadow dragon and fly over a chasm that way
 
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