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I think he was going to just build a boom tube generator. He's done it before with the hush tube generator at the base.

As for making a box, Father Time had Gonzo's remains turned into an "orphan box."

Or Grayven can make like a dnd adventurer and steal one-

The hyper-adaptor that was buried under Gotham was also called an "ancestor box."

The New Gods gave Aurakles a father box.

And there's a case of someone clearly just messing with an established concept by flipping the name polarity on one word. What's next, a pro-... Actually, that sounds like somewhere I shouldn't go in random conversation.

Sort of, but the anti-life equation has never really been about death, the Black Racer was appointed by the Source, after all, and removing free will and death really have no connection, so the anti-life equation can't really be called a death equation, despite what its name implies.

But yeah, this is from the same company that made the negative speed force.
 
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Hey Zoat! It's nice to see you here on SV :D Having to drop this fic in 2014 sucked, but now I can get my daily fix once again.
 
Hey! I just found out that whatever Superman thought about where the hyperspace bypass thing was, Batman definitely crashed the Watchtower into the middle of Africa. It's clearly shown when he plots the course.
It's always confused me, actually, on which mistake the staff made in that episode.

Was it Superman (in his Clark Kent disguise) name-dropping the Gobi Desert, a Central Asia desert (it covers parts of northern China and southern Mongolia, and I find it unlikely he would have used the wrong desert name considering the circumstances)?

Or was it the Watchtower display showing Central Africa, which...shouldn't have such a large expanse of desert to begin with, as far as I can tell from websites online.
So, batman has terrible terrible aim and blew up a half-mile tall statue of someone...
Even if it was the Paragon universe that got Watchtower-dropped, Bialya's Middle East, not Central Africa.
 
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"SHADE was going to use a piece of the Anti-Life Equation to Justify the citizens of Earth! They've probably still got what they need to establish some sort of spirit-crushing network. Batman was dealing with it when I left. I need to get back and make sure they don't try again. Barda, please. I don't want to fight you." Ring, plot course.

For a moment I was worried that you were going to rely on reason, Corpsman.

First resort of a civilised man, sole resort of the fool. No, wait, that doesn't sound right. A fool wouldn't… Oh, you get what I mean.

Indubitably, Corpsman.
This was a very un-Grayven way of acting.

I had believed that the Guardian's charts were exhaustive.
Guardians'

"There was another two, in the final room.
Were another two
 
I wonder if Fatherbox will have to restructure Renegade's soul... again?
Or if Renegade will take advantage now that he is aware of the personality changes that occur?
 
My cause was just, but if Gaea didn't count coming to Earth 50 as 'leaving Earth voluntarily' then this will certainly set it off.

"When I came to Earth 50, I was tricked, so it was leaving Earth involuntarily. Once I was in one non-Earth place involuntarily, going to a second non-Earth place voluntarily doesn't violate my oath".

(If going from one non-Earth place to another counted as violating his oath, he'd be violating his oath any time he even took a step, once he was off his original Earth.)
 
That's in Universe 16R (for Renegade, Paul is 16P, and canon YJ is 16) while this is taking place in universe 50...
Excuse me, universe 50R.
For Full New God's Radion is instant death.

The only full New God to survive it was Metron who was protected by Mother Box, Armor, and the Mobius Chair something several tech levels above a Power Ring.
The wiki says some New gods have tanked repeated hits. Darkseid stumbled around for a while and then survived as his New God Kirby-art half, although he was supposedly "dying from Radion poisoning".
Question. Why hasn't Grayven tried using
"Eyes of Parallax" to sense a persons deepest fear?
He has. He pointed out to Malice that he knew she was lying because he can see fear.
I very much doubt it, else New Gods would all take Radion pills every morning while they're young. I look at it like that one norse god who had holly as his anathema, and so died when Loki tricked someone into giving him some at a party. It's not like poison or a toxin, the stuff is completely inimical to the stuff-that-they-are.
Mistletoe wasn't anathema to Baldur, it was simply the only thing he wasn't rendered immune to. Much like Achilles.

Also, it may or may not have been a magic sword named Mistletoe, but let's ignore that mess.
If he's running a test, the same standards he used when testing his formulas should apply.
... now that I think about it, Grayven can goddify animals, so he should really have done some animal testing.
I don't fight Lowlies.

Kill the chaff.

I'm Grayven. What would Grayven do?

"My name is Paul-."
Ho-ly cow.
You know, I'm kind of shocked that Paul just told someone that Kon and M'gann are Metahuman. I mean sure, it's a lie
It's not. Metahuman is a term referring to people with superpowers; the metagene has yet to be discovered on Earth 16.
I'll note that if metahumans are banned from all competitive events in high school, even only the physical ones, then that'd screw over a huge number of metahuman kids

I... don't think that's a thing in DC.
It's actually "a high-density polyurethane foam". I was just being flippant.
Scott transfers his gaze to Barda. "Okay. Guess it can't hurt."
YES IT CAN, SCOTT.

"Oh, let's give the girl with unstable, rapidly evolving purely offensive telepathic powers a treatment that increases all metahuman powers at an unpredictable rate, grants new powers based on anything metaphysically related to you, and renders you immune to all further interventions."

"Why yes Scott, that sounds like a grand idea! There were no complications treating her for the massive anti-life poisoning that was using her powers?"

"Well, there were quite a few. Her powers are mutating so rapidly her head is going to explode, and she's been exposed much more than the others."

"Eh, that doesn't sound like it could interfere in the process in any way. Heck, I hand these things out like candy! I wouldn't do that if I hadn't tested them thoroughly, right?" "Why, that would be as crazy as being exposed to the Anti-Life Equation and not getting it removed afterwards."
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that British English used plural verbs for collective nouns, so "SHADE were" would have actually been correct.
This came up several times in previous threads. I'm not sure what the answer is but this guy says that I can use either so that's what I'm going to do.
 
She's under-ten, and the rate of Godhood is kinda slow.
If the powers that be in this parallel cannot raise an important under-ten to be a good person by the time they hit adulthood, they have more problems than just Grayven can solve.

At worst, give her to the Frees to raise; they have experience with New Gods.
Though that suggestion about her following RenPaul back to his parallel is very funny, and would work as well.
Well, something like 9/10 of all powered individuals turn out villainous. Giving massive godlike superpowers to a child is essentially a bet that this time, it will be the 1/10 chance that comes up. And you'd best hope that she doesn't go through an emo phase as a teenager, because the death toll could be... severe. Add in the whole chance of various organisations trying to capture or recruit her, and it's not looking like fun times for a young girl. Better than death, but not exactly ideal.
 
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Hmm, going by this betrayal Barda is clearly the Token Evil Teammate.
well, she was raised on Apokalypse by Granny Goodness, she believes she has a good idea how Grayven thinks. This is a chance to get him away from Earth.

Also no god's-speak this chapter. Did the Anti-Life break it?
I noticed that as well, I wonder if Barda and Scott were using it but he's not currently able to perceive it even subconsciously

"When I came to Earth 50, I was tricked, so it was leaving Earth involuntarily. Once I was in one non-Earth place involuntarily, going to a second non-Earth place voluntarily doesn't violate my oath".

(If going from one non-Earth place to another counted as violating his oath, he'd be violating his oath any time he even took a step, once he was off his original Earth.)
Technically, his Oath was not to leave the Sol system, not simply Earth. That said, his hop to the Source Wall is definately a violation. The question is would Gaea be willing to waive it in return for getting rid of that ALE fragment.

Excuse me, universe 50R.
maybe, maybe not. We know there are multiple, parallel versions of Universe 16, varying only by the actions (and butterflies caused by those actions) of Paragon and Renegade, hence the 16P and R to differentiate them. We don't know if there's other variations of Earth 50.

Admittedly, you're probably correct, but since this is the only version of Universe 50 we've seen so far, we can probably drop the R until there's a need for greater precision.

Although, really, my previous comment was just that you can't reliably estimate the technological capabilities of a Universe 50 by looking at those of a Universe 16.
 
It's not. Metahuman is a term referring to people with superpowers; the metagene has yet to be discovered on Earth 16.
I thought it was a term to refer to people with inherent superhuman abilities, like the four kids in S2 of YJ. Zoat asked yesterday if anyone here thought a metahuman lived in Happy Harbour, so he obviously doesn't consider anyone currently living in the Mountain to be a metahuman.
 
Actually, while it's on topic, @Mr Zoat are the various super scientists considered metahumans, are they something different, or have you not decided? It always made sense to me that if humans already have some special bit that gives them various physical super powers, then it would be needlessly complicated to have something separate to give some other humans mental super powers.
 
I am kind of hoping against hopes, that Barda or Scott decide to give him a motherbox instead of giving fatherbox back, it would fit perfectly with his new self, and avoid him being grayved again.
 
Technically, his Oath was not to leave the Sol system, not simply Earth. That said, his hop to the Source Wall is definately a violation.

If the "Sol system" means the first Earth's Sol system, then when he went to Earth 50, he already left the system, but it didn't count because it was involuntary. Once he was on Earth 50. and therefore already out of the system, he could go to the Source Wall because he's going from one place that's outside of the system to another place that's outside of the system, which doesn't count either.
 
Well, something like 9/10 of all powered individuals turn out villainous. Giving massive godlike superpowers to a child is essentially a bet that this time, it will be the 1/10 chance that comes up. And you'd best hope that she doesn't go through an emo phase as a teenager, because the death toll could be... severe. Add in the whole chance of various organisations trying to capture or recruit her, and it's not looking like fun times for a young girl. Better than death, but not exactly ideal.
Dude, this is DC , not Worm.
Things are not that bad here, and a lot of metas have crossed both sides of the law, or simply gone civilian.

And the point you're missing is that Ace already has massive godlike superpowers, courtesy of the US government.
What this is supposed to do is make her survive them, and maybe get better control.
 
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