Remove ads

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Reader mode
Mr Zoat said:
He thinks he can build a boom tube generator. Though he probably could eventually build a Father Box.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Mother and Father boxes are made out of a metaphysical substance called Element X.
Element X is a metaphysical substance that forms the basis of the New Gods' technology. Given it's metaphysical nature, it is most likely the greatest fuel known in the DCU. Invented on Apokolips separately by Himon and Darkseid's technicians, it is the energy source for such fourth World devices like Mother Boxes and Metron's Mobius Chair (which gave him quite a bit of trouble until he learned to harness the element properly). It is also used as a matter threshold for Boom Tubes.

In Final Crisis 7, Superman harvests the X Element from Metron's Mobius chair in order to power his miracle machine.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

That same element is also used to create the matter threshold of Boom Tubes.

And being Metaphysical in nature that means that it shouldn't be able to be created with Ring transmutation.
 
Mother and Father Boxes can be made, it just requires a certain level of "character" for a New God. Sometimes an idiot can make a Box easily enough, some just can't make one no matter how smart they are
 
Vaermina said:
Metaphysics is another word for Magic...
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Sssssort of. Everyone on Earth 16 has a soul, but only a few of them can manipulate it well enough to use magic. The SI can do some things that could also be done by a sufficiently skilled magic user, but his unusual soul structure makes it virtually impossible for him to learn to manipulate magic in the way the locals do and everyone who can make orichalcum learned to do so within that framework.

The New God approach to metaphysical abilities is more about forcing themselves on the universe, rather than reaching out and manipulating what is already there as most magic users do. There's more cross over there than between the SI and magic users.
 
Vaermina said:
Mother and Father boxes are made out of a metaphysical substance called Element X.

That same element is also used to create the matter threshold of Boom Tubes.

And being Metaphysical in nature that means that it shouldn't be able to be created with Ring transmutation.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

@Vaermina, I'm curious...you have repeatedly told the author of an AU story that he's wrong about something within his own story. Zoat is self-evidently an expert on the DC canon; it's unlikely that you'll catch him out on a point of fact. Even if you did, he is entirely justified in shrugging and saying "Well, it's my AU and it's the way I say it is." Given all that, I have a serious question for you: Why do you keep doing this? What are you hoping to gain?
 
Mr Zoat said:
The New God approach to metaphysical abilities is more about forcing themselves on the universe, rather than reaching out and manipulating what is already there as most magic users do. There's more cross over there than between the SI and magic users.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Is that "forcing" as a euphemism for a word that rhymes with 'grape'? If so, that's a little squickier than I was expecting.
 
eaglejarl said:
Zoat is self-evidently an expert on the DC canon; it's unlikely that you'll catch him out on a point of fact. Even if you did, he is entirely justified in shrugging and saying "Well, it's my AU and it's the way I say it is."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
There are things I don't know about wider DC canon, and there will be times when I just decide to ignore it in the interests of consistency, power level or making sense.
eaglejarl said:
Is that "forcing" as a euphemism for a word that rhymes with 'grape'? If so, that's a little squickier than I was expecting.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It's not really a sex thing when you do it with an inanimate object.

...

That sentence could have been better.
 
Hmmaster said:
No, it isn't. Zoat has treated the two as separate things from the very beginning, unless you have a citation from the story or from WoZ that someone does something with their metaphysique that actually has to do with magic.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Actually he used that term in reference to why the Atlanteans could typically use magic better, he said they worked from childhood to "strengthen their metaphysique". But what they are doing with it is clearly different than what New Gods are doing with it, both in style and effects. And then there's Renegade!Zatanna, who is apparently getting the best of both worlds.

eaglejarl said:
Is that "forcing" as a euphemism for a word that rhymes with 'grape'? If so, that's a little squickier than I was expecting.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I get the impression that it's more closely analogous to gravity; a massive object forces objects around it to move in certain ways because it is warping the structure of space around itself. In a similar way a New God bends the local metaphysical structure according to his or her nature. Which is why they have metaphysical effects just by being present or willing it, but is also why their abilities tend to be a lot narrower in scope than what a magician can do (if the New God isn't also a magician at least); they aren't constructing spells according to specification, they're just pressing down on reality with their metaphysical nature.
 
Hey! I just found out that whatever Superman thought about where the hyperspace bypass thing was, Batman definitely crashed the Watchtower into the middle of Africa. It's clearly shown when he plots the course.
 
Reader mode
79,416 more messages…
Status
Not open for further replies.
Remove ads
Back
Top