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I asked for fictional Danish politicians. No one could come up with any.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Does this mean that the main timeline also has that crossover character and amulets?
Also, I repeat my earlier questions.
Also, I repeat my earlier questions.
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Sunset Shimmer? No. Siren amulets? Maybe.
Due to his unusual soul structure, the SI is probably incapable of using conventional magic directly. No one knows how long it will take for him to improve his exotic ring usage.
Grayven would have a far easier time learning magic. He already uses it.
No.
No.
Huh, cool.
Sooo, chaos lord Constantine VS Discord?
Evil M. Lurker
What Lurks at Midnight
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...so Earth-16 is the physical body of Discord? That would explain quite a lot.
Just out of curiosity . . . Why didn't a version of Sunset end up in the Paul timeline if the Sirens getting killed in the past there too is a maybe?
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No Ambush Bug bug.
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So does that mean the "Equestria but with modern day humans" world the mirror leads to in the canon of MLP actually exists in the canon of this story, and Ambush Bug just changed the destination somehow?
Or does this mean OL is never actually going to meet Nightmare Moon and visit planet Wilson?
Well, Grayven has pondered a time or two that he probably should have done more research before making her a New God...
Her obsessive devotion even weirds him out sometimes.
Rampage (part 1)
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5th November
17:22 GMT -6
A rooftop in Central City, out of line of sight of any security cameras and within convenient travelling distance for a man who can run at light speed. He was supposed to be here twenty two minutes ago, but Wallace said that's pretty normal for hi-.
Then he's there, the coffee cup I put out already in his hand and at his lips.
"Thank you for taking the time to see me, Flash."
"Ignoring you didn't seem like a good idea." Mister Allen lowers his cup slightly as he looks at me. "Sorry I'm late." He shrugs. "You know how it goes."
"Only from Kid Flash. Though I imagine that if I had a secret identity to maintain I'd see the other side quickly enough." I gesture to the other chair with my left hand. "Would you like to sit down?"
He nods and takes his seat, putting his cup on the arm rest. "So. Bats has got you visiting everyone in the League."
"Batman suggested that it would help restore working relationships in the long term, yes."
"How far was I down the list?"
"Seventh. Diana, Batman, Mister Zatara, Green Arrow, Superman, Icon, you."
His face mask conceals his brows, but I think he's frowning slightly. "You meet up with the GLs all the time."
"Yes, and we.. talk about lanterning. Or the Russian space program." Having worked in administration, I appear to have the ability to appreciate Lantern Savenlovich's travails better than our other colleagues. "I mean, what do you think the chances of getting a heart to heart with-."
He nods. "Gardner."
"I was going to say 'Jordan', actually. Guy and I might have done, if we weren't mostly concerned with inter-Corps relations."
Another nod. "Alright. What did you want to say?"
I shrug. "What did you want to say? I was putting the whole thing behind me. The only reason I'm bringing this up at all is because Batman made me rejoining the team contingent on me doing so."
"You want to get back.. on the.. team? Aren't you.. eighteen?"
"Nineteen. And M'gann's forty nine and we're not sure how old Canis is. Do you think I've learned everything I-"
He inclines his head slightly. "No, I-."
"-need to?"
"-suppose I don't." He leans back a little. "You're saying this is for my benefit?"
"Flash, we can talk about baseball for half an hour if you want. I'm ticking a box, but I'll answer honestly any questions you have."
"Okay, ah… First off, I always thought Nabu would change his mind after a while."
"Okay."
He watches me for a moment. "You don't.. care..?"
"It's not impossible. I have not at any point claimed that I had access to all pertinent information. I don't understand his thought processes well enough to suggest if or when he might have relented, but it certainly wasn't impossible."
"No, I mean… Do you not care why I wasn't as gung ho about it as you were?"
"I-." I take a moment. "I don't consider eight months' careful investigation to be 'gung ho', Flash. I do consider eight months to have been a reasonable time period for him to have made alternate hosting arrangements on his own. Perhaps he would have after nine months. Or a year. It's an imponderable. I also don't think there's any point in me asking you how long you were going to wait. Though if you did have a figure in mind, feel free to share it?"
He tilts his head slightly to the right for a moment. "No. I can't say I did."
I shrug. "There you go. We can't discuss our different decision making processes because you didn't make a decision."
He leans back. "I suppose you're right as far as that's concerned. If he'd stayed on Kid Flash… I don't think I'd have killed him, but… Maybe."
I nod. "So… How 'bout them Stars?"
"We're not done yet. Kid Flash showed me your holiday report."
I do briefly consider a remark along the lines of 'One of you read my report?!', but I decide against it. "Fortunately, I very much doubt that such methods will be required anywhere near Earth."
"How many people did you kill?"
"I really don't know. Depending on how you assign the team efforts… Maybe a few million? Very few of whom will be missed by anyone. I take it you read the parts where I described Citadelian rules of engagement? And their behaviour in general?"
"Oh-" He nods in a very definite manner. "-yes. When I'm talking to you I want to make sure I know what's going on. And how did.. killing millions of people make you feel?"
"I didn't feel much. When you're not actually seeing the bodies, there's much less trauma, even for normal soldiers. Given how I detested their whole vile state, I didn't even feel bad intellectually."
"Did you feel..?" He looks at me with morbid curiosity. "Good..?"
"Mildly satisfied. One chore down, Vega made a bit less repugnant. I was happy about freeing Captain Comet and freeing their slaves, but… No, it didn't feel especially good."
"And when you killed the ones who helped you?"
"The ones I mind controlled into helping me. They weren't much different to the ones I'd killed. Literally, given that they were clones. Yes, I could have put them in prison, but that's really not how Vega works. No prisons exist for that sort of thing. I could have handed them over to the Tamaranian government, if they had the facilities. They would have killed them out of hand. The Crown Imperium would probably have had a show trial… Then killed them. Marooning was an option, but they didn't have wilderness survival skills and I didn't want to risk them rebuilding."
"Sure, it's all… Very logical. You do know that Robin's fourteen, right?"
"Yes. I'm also aware that he's seen quite a number of murders already."
"I'm not talking about his exposure to death-. Though you better believe I had a talk with Batman about that. I'm talking about their exposure to you."
"Um-." I blink. "Okay?"
"Kid Flash told you I never wanted him involved in this, didn't he?" I nod. "If he'd turned eighteen and he still wanted-." He shakes his head. "Maybe. You know how violent what we do can be. I try keeping him away from the worst of it, let him fight people like Snart who pull their punches. You're a soldier?" He shrugs. "Fine, so's Captain Atom. But I don't want kids learning to be soldiers. They've got to have normal lives outside of this, and.. frankly I hope they give it up. I sure don't want them regarding what you do as 'normal'."
Huh.
"I… Understand your concern. And while working for the Justice League I will follow Justice League rules of engagement. And I certainly won't glamorise what I do."
He picks up his cup again. "I guess that'll have to do."
17:22 GMT -6
A rooftop in Central City, out of line of sight of any security cameras and within convenient travelling distance for a man who can run at light speed. He was supposed to be here twenty two minutes ago, but Wallace said that's pretty normal for hi-.
Then he's there, the coffee cup I put out already in his hand and at his lips.
"Thank you for taking the time to see me, Flash."
"Ignoring you didn't seem like a good idea." Mister Allen lowers his cup slightly as he looks at me. "Sorry I'm late." He shrugs. "You know how it goes."
"Only from Kid Flash. Though I imagine that if I had a secret identity to maintain I'd see the other side quickly enough." I gesture to the other chair with my left hand. "Would you like to sit down?"
He nods and takes his seat, putting his cup on the arm rest. "So. Bats has got you visiting everyone in the League."
"Batman suggested that it would help restore working relationships in the long term, yes."
"How far was I down the list?"
"Seventh. Diana, Batman, Mister Zatara, Green Arrow, Superman, Icon, you."
His face mask conceals his brows, but I think he's frowning slightly. "You meet up with the GLs all the time."
"Yes, and we.. talk about lanterning. Or the Russian space program." Having worked in administration, I appear to have the ability to appreciate Lantern Savenlovich's travails better than our other colleagues. "I mean, what do you think the chances of getting a heart to heart with-."
He nods. "Gardner."
"I was going to say 'Jordan', actually. Guy and I might have done, if we weren't mostly concerned with inter-Corps relations."
Another nod. "Alright. What did you want to say?"
I shrug. "What did you want to say? I was putting the whole thing behind me. The only reason I'm bringing this up at all is because Batman made me rejoining the team contingent on me doing so."
"You want to get back.. on the.. team? Aren't you.. eighteen?"
"Nineteen. And M'gann's forty nine and we're not sure how old Canis is. Do you think I've learned everything I-"
He inclines his head slightly. "No, I-."
"-need to?"
"-suppose I don't." He leans back a little. "You're saying this is for my benefit?"
"Flash, we can talk about baseball for half an hour if you want. I'm ticking a box, but I'll answer honestly any questions you have."
"Okay, ah… First off, I always thought Nabu would change his mind after a while."
"Okay."
He watches me for a moment. "You don't.. care..?"
"It's not impossible. I have not at any point claimed that I had access to all pertinent information. I don't understand his thought processes well enough to suggest if or when he might have relented, but it certainly wasn't impossible."
"No, I mean… Do you not care why I wasn't as gung ho about it as you were?"
"I-." I take a moment. "I don't consider eight months' careful investigation to be 'gung ho', Flash. I do consider eight months to have been a reasonable time period for him to have made alternate hosting arrangements on his own. Perhaps he would have after nine months. Or a year. It's an imponderable. I also don't think there's any point in me asking you how long you were going to wait. Though if you did have a figure in mind, feel free to share it?"
He tilts his head slightly to the right for a moment. "No. I can't say I did."
I shrug. "There you go. We can't discuss our different decision making processes because you didn't make a decision."
He leans back. "I suppose you're right as far as that's concerned. If he'd stayed on Kid Flash… I don't think I'd have killed him, but… Maybe."
I nod. "So… How 'bout them Stars?"
"We're not done yet. Kid Flash showed me your holiday report."
I do briefly consider a remark along the lines of 'One of you read my report?!', but I decide against it. "Fortunately, I very much doubt that such methods will be required anywhere near Earth."
"How many people did you kill?"
"I really don't know. Depending on how you assign the team efforts… Maybe a few million? Very few of whom will be missed by anyone. I take it you read the parts where I described Citadelian rules of engagement? And their behaviour in general?"
"Oh-" He nods in a very definite manner. "-yes. When I'm talking to you I want to make sure I know what's going on. And how did.. killing millions of people make you feel?"
"I didn't feel much. When you're not actually seeing the bodies, there's much less trauma, even for normal soldiers. Given how I detested their whole vile state, I didn't even feel bad intellectually."
"Did you feel..?" He looks at me with morbid curiosity. "Good..?"
"Mildly satisfied. One chore down, Vega made a bit less repugnant. I was happy about freeing Captain Comet and freeing their slaves, but… No, it didn't feel especially good."
"And when you killed the ones who helped you?"
"The ones I mind controlled into helping me. They weren't much different to the ones I'd killed. Literally, given that they were clones. Yes, I could have put them in prison, but that's really not how Vega works. No prisons exist for that sort of thing. I could have handed them over to the Tamaranian government, if they had the facilities. They would have killed them out of hand. The Crown Imperium would probably have had a show trial… Then killed them. Marooning was an option, but they didn't have wilderness survival skills and I didn't want to risk them rebuilding."
"Sure, it's all… Very logical. You do know that Robin's fourteen, right?"
"Yes. I'm also aware that he's seen quite a number of murders already."
"I'm not talking about his exposure to death-. Though you better believe I had a talk with Batman about that. I'm talking about their exposure to you."
"Um-." I blink. "Okay?"
"Kid Flash told you I never wanted him involved in this, didn't he?" I nod. "If he'd turned eighteen and he still wanted-." He shakes his head. "Maybe. You know how violent what we do can be. I try keeping him away from the worst of it, let him fight people like Snart who pull their punches. You're a soldier?" He shrugs. "Fine, so's Captain Atom. But I don't want kids learning to be soldiers. They've got to have normal lives outside of this, and.. frankly I hope they give it up. I sure don't want them regarding what you do as 'normal'."
Huh.
"I… Understand your concern. And while working for the Justice League I will follow Justice League rules of engagement. And I certainly won't glamorise what I do."
He picks up his cup again. "I guess that'll have to do."
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TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Huh. Sort of seems to have jumped off that last cliff hanger and landed... in slice of life town?
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Didn't he also meet with Icon?
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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Evil? Renegade isn't evil. He's a committed family man whose hobbies include rehabilitating orphaned half-vampires, spreading advanced technology throughout society, and decapitating supervillains.
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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Though you can
His concerns are certainly understandable, most people don't want others making bad things seem 'cool' to young kids for good reason.
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Thank you, corrected.
...
You thought that Miss Shimmer refusing to hug the Renegade was a cliffhanger?
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Super speed, he's probably read ALL the reports. :lol
Simmr001
Aquaman 2018 Fan Club President. I prefer Bob.
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Blazinghand
O cursèd spite
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Flash was always a real good guy. I understand where he's coming from here. Kinda ties with "Luthor kills Flash, then comes Armageddon" as a concept. Where would the Justice League be without this guy?
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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By golly does he. I can't help but picture a cross between Darth Vader and Dracula here. Darth Dracula.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Yes, Renegade is quite clearly the good twin.
And he's honestly quite right about OL being a bad influence on developing minds. Paul the Morally Ambiguous working with the Justice League is one thing, but the honestly rather impressionable junior team, who are still trying to work out where and how they want to fit into the world, is quite another.
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Oh, good. I just wasn't sure how canon all of that was.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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That must take some practice to avoid getting a faceful of supersonic coffee.
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I liked Flash view on the whole "don't want you being a bad influence on their view of normality", he was pretty reasonable in his wish to keep his protégé 'innocent' for lack of better term.
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He's still lying about his age? How did that start again and why has he kept it up?
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