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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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DesertChocolate said:
Now of course, advice is good, and ideas are fun, and people who legitimately help guide some of the process are awesome. But then you have people who have straight up disagreed with Zoat about the things he himself has decided for his story. These are his rules, on concepts he himself added to the YJ universe. And yet they dismiss it and say, 'No, I think you are wrong.'
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Personally, I don't particularly care if Zoat diverges from what DC has done in the comics. I mean, it's cool to see specific characters that you may like, but if, for example, Zoat had completely made up the whole New God metaphysics, I wouldn't particularly care. It's interesting, has been used consistently, and that's just about all I care about. If DC comes out tomorrow and says that Orange Rings unequivocally and inevitably drive you mad in a very short time span, I wouldn't care, because Zoat has made a more interesting ring wielder than any of DC's lineup that I've seen.

Also, my personal metric for whether Zoat might use something from DC: If it makes me go "What the hell, that doesn't make sense." or "Fucking bullshit", I usually assume Zoat won't include it. Speed Force, I'm looking at you.
 
MugaSofer said:
Also worth noting that the various cold guns use the same visual effect; Freeze is both an ice-based metahuman and a cold-based superscientist, while Icicle Jr is an ice-based metahuman and the son of a cold-based superscientist. Killer Frost is an ice-based metahuman, but her blasts still appear to be the same as those of a standard cold-gun.
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In some cases that's deliberate; it was mentioned in-story that Freeze's gun was deliberately designed to create masses of "ice" which aren't actually ice.

There's two kinds of cold weapons in this setting; those that create masses of ice, which may or may not actually be ice; and those that just make things very cold. The latter generally being much more lethal. In the former case you've likely got a lot of weapons whose effects look similar because it's mostly a stylistic choice in the first place. I suspect that metahumans like Killer Frost are a lot more likely to create large masses of genuine ice, since their powers can give them ways of cheating around the fact that there isn't enough local moisture in the air to create that much ice; like summoning it from a distance.

It also occurs to me that OL could eventually run into some supervillain using one of the mini-Dolmen gates he's pushing the development of to gate in water so he or she can make a "real ice gun!" Cue mutterings about supervillains and their priorities.
 
notanautomaton said:
Ah, the fabled Ice Force. It's similar to the Speed Force, but different from the Arrow Force.
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Scene: A bunch of ice themed heroes and villains are firing ice powers and weapons at each other.

Suddenly, Odin appears!

"You fools! Your attacks draw upon the power of Fimbulwinter! Every time you use them, you bring Ragnarok and the end of the Nine Worlds closer!"

<everyone pauses and looks at each other>

<everyone starts firing at each other again>

<sigh> "And mortals wonder why we stopped bothering to show up in person."
 
Mr Zoat said:
Robin actually called Trickster II out on that in the comics. Something along the lines of 'You have sneakers that let you run on air. Have you any idea how much money you could make just selling that?'.

The only superhero featured in this story so far who could do something like that is Hardware, and his contract forbids it. Looking down the League list; Batman does, but it's either highly specialist or very expensive, Manhunter's has a completely different tech base and is usually telepathy dependent, Tornado mostly copies Morrow's stuff and Icon doesn't want to interfere with Human development.

The people at STAR Labs are normal scientists trying to analyse the work of genius scientists who thought that keeping notes was for peasants and who hated everyone. Their job is very dangerous and does get results.
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Reading back through my post I note that it came out more rant-ish than intended; my apologies for that, and I hope it didn't seem as though I was criticizing either you (@Mr Zoat) or WTR. It was intended as a criticism of the comics, not of the story.

The fact that Paul is starting a magitek revolution is hands-down my favorite part of WTR. I enjoy all of it, very much including the RIghteous Face Punching, but the social transformations are the most viscerally satisfying parts for my geek/nerd/engineer brain, even if they lack the edge-of-the-seat excitement of the RFP. (And no, I'm not saying that Requests For Proposals are exciting!)

To be honest , even as I was writing the original rant I was thinking that STAR probably has slow progress because they are reverse-engineering stuff for which there is no theoretical basis available. The whole "Reed Richards Is Useless" thing just really gets under my skin. We're engineers, damnit; it is literally our job to make the world better for everyone. If I had a superbrain that let me invent antigravity, I would definitely share antigravity with the world. (I would also make billions doing it, but I would share.)
 
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eaglejarl said:
To be honest , even as I was writing the original rant I was thinking that STAR probably has slow progress because they are reverse-engineering stuff for which there is no theoretical basis available.
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Also, Mr Zoat mentioned a while back that one of the problems is that supervillain technology tends to be full of traps. So they get something a little wrong and people get killed, either because they didn't understand the theory or because it was designed to kill anyone who didn't know exactly how to use it already.
 
DesertChocolate said:
Ah, my favorite bullshit super-science.

Seriously, the Flash was OP enough before the Speed Force. Though I did love Wally after he gained control of the Speed Force, partially because of his new confidence, and partially for the inventive use of those powers.
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The funny part is that if DC played fair with physics, the Flash would be by far the most powerful member of the Justice League.

Short form: no one in the League is immune to kinetics, the Flash can run at light speed while carrying things, and relativistic strikes are a thing.

Long form: The Fall of Doc Future. Not my story, and I strongly recommend it for having a very realistic take on the implications of superpowers.
 
Avernus said:
Also, Mr Zoat mentioned a while back that one of the problems is that supervillain technology tends to be full of traps. So they get something a little wrong and people get killed, either because they didn't understand the theory or because it was designed to kill anyone who didn't know exactly how to use it already.
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Sure, but superhero tech isn't boobytrapped. If the Atom has a super suit that can let you shrink to cellular size, why isn't there at least one surgeon out there doing The Incredible Voyage thing every day?

A lot of super-inventors seem to be billionaires, implying that their tech might be too expensive for mass production. That's always the case with new tech, but if one brilliant person can build a prototype she can then hand it over to more normal people to figure out how to bring the costs down.
 
Avernus said:
There's been speculation on that before. There's also the question of whether he'd arrive as the lone human among ponies, or as a pony. And if as a pony, one wonders if he'd get the Orange Corps symbol as a cutie mark, or an orange snake. Hmmmm; <googles "Orange Lantern Pony">

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Well, he has been known to move the odd celestial body...
 
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Empiricist2 said:
eaglejarl said:
Short form: no one in the League is immune to kinetics, the Flash can run at light speed while carrying things, and relativistic strikes are a thing.
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Martian Manhunter can phase, and probably attack telepathicly from that state.
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Sure, but his default state is un-phased and he can't maintain the phased state forever. He isn't a speedster, so he can't react fast enough to phase once Flash starts his attack. If MM happened to be phased when the Flash decided to kill him, Flash could just run away, check back periodically until he caught MM unphased, and then it would be over. Also, MM's telepathic range isn't long enough to matter; Flash wouldn't spend more than a couple of milliseconds in that range, ever.

Of course, MM can also shapeshift, and the Flash has no special ability to spot him when he's in a different form. A fight between them would be rocket tag.
 
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