Are we talking the historical one or the one from Warhammer?
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
- Thread starter Questor
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What do you mean?
I was trying to figure out what you meant by imperial cult so I tried looking it up and found that there was a imperial cult in Ancient Rome. My question is are we doing it based on rl history or something in universe that I either forgot or didn't see?
One of the religions in game is the Imperial Cult, a group of mostly harmless weirdos that worship the Emperor.
We've done very little to encourage them (apart from being excellent) but they're patriotic citizens who pay their taxes and don't cause trouble so they're alright for now.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to it being a hilarious idea that our nat 100 might cause the cult that worships our Emperor to spread inside the country we just invaded.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Multiple empires had imperial cults. Despite the fact that people constantly both reference and fearmonger with the Warhammer memes, it is not based on that AT ALL and the fearmongering around it got bad enough that Questor officially debunked that a few chapters ago. It is based on multiple forms of imperial cults, such as the Roman imperial cult, the Japanese imperial cult, the "Mandate of Heaven" from China, the MLP reverence for the diarchs, etc.
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Thing Futzer
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- Maybe!
Off topic from all this; 1, We should decide on a name for the planet. 2, how does space work in this quest? I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned.
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- Very very lost
We tried to name it before but got too caught up arguing for the names we chose
Wouldn't harmony be a good name?
Cause discord tried to destroy the world aka harmony?
Cause discord tried to destroy the world aka harmony?
Or we could have a hundred different names for the plant so when we encounter alien life we get to confuse them out the wazoo.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Man I'm just excited for whatever that nat 100 event roll was. I am really hoping it has to do with our benign neglect of Maretonian affairs for last turn working in the favor of pro-Imperial factions gaining prominence.
It all depends on what manner of things Questor considers when going through possible repercussions - like if our actions done that turn, our current goals or just the geopolitical situation have more influence than the other.
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- Germany
The Mandate from Heaven of Ancient China (btw, at least some of its Dynasties like the Han were actually aware of Rome´s existence thanks to indirect mutual trade along the Silk Road) had the diistinction from other similar systems in that it also allowed for rebellions to happen in its internal logic - if the Emperor had big enough problems governing the nation that actual rebellions were breaking out, it was widely believed that the Celestial Bureaucracy had *revoked* his Divine Mandate and he was fucked anyway.
Basically the Heavens going "you only rule by OUR Grace and if you don´t do your job in keeping things afloat as our `understudy´, we will take away your priviliges just as easily as we gave it to your dynasty" on the Emperor´s ass, which is a surprisingly pragmatic way of seeing things considering how philosophically authoritative China has always been.
But yeah, it´d be amusing in a dark way if we ended up spreading our totally-harmless-and-merely-patriotic Imperial Cult into an expy of the Roman Empire.
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And that is EXACTLY all that they are. @Questor personally confirmed that. You passive-aggressiveness concerning them and your endless insistence that they are nutjobs who are always just inches away from going on a Religion-fueled murderspree, despite all evidence to the contrary, are slowly getting really annoying.
Then again, you've always been the Chief-Fearmonger about them, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised about your stubbornness in this regard.
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- Germany
Admittedly an unneeded jab from my side, but it´s very telling that that´s all of my post that´s talked about.
Well, personally, I agree with the rest of your post and found it interesting, but I didn't think it needed further commenting on my part.
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- Washington
Yo, can we shut the fuck up about the Imperial Cults? That has been beaten into the dirt by now and frankly I never want to hear the same tired points being repeated ad nauseam again. Word of God spoke AGES AGO that they are not a problem. Let. It. Go.
Questor already told us that the Imperial Cult was not like that. They merely 'worship' the emperor as the most virtuous person to ever live and see him as an example to follow, although many find their enthusiasm a bit unnerving. I think Buddhism would be a better comparison to the Imperial Cult of Gryphus. Buddhists think Buddha was just a mere mortal no different from anyone else and that he only became divine after finding enlightenment. They follow his teachings to become as enlightened as they believe he was, basically they consider themselves buddhas in-training. In much the same way the Imperial Cultists don't literally think the emperor is a god, they just think he's awesome and want to be like him. I imagine they're a weird mix of gym-bros and bookish philosophers.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
While your comments are insightful, please don't engage anymore. He has his biases and will hold to them. Nothing productive will come out of continuing to talk about the Imperial Cult until such time it is relevant for the quest, and honestly I regret my own role in adding to this conversation. I am as tired of these rants as LordofAwesome.
To offer a subject change, what do you guys think Zebrica will be like? A vast continent of multiple countries? A small continent/island of one or two zebra countries? Full of kingdoms, or republics, or tribes? Basically any aspect you can think of can be something we discuss. I don't think the thread has done any real theorizing over what the Zebra areas might be like.
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- Toril
The existence of Olenia, or whatever the reindeer country is called, implies that Zebrica is a continent of similar size to our own, home to a similarly diverse amount of nations and species. I think that there was some implication a bit back that Saddle Arabia was also in the east, so that would be at least three nations.
Wanted to try talking him out of that position because I feel partly responsible for the 'It's like warhammer' scare. I had the sense to stop when Questor told us we were wrong so I'm hoping the people still saying that didn't read that post. Just thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on the off chance he's not trolling.
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I simply don´t like their mentality at all that a former merchant who simply exhibited *common sense* at crucial times MUST be more than a mere griffon for how mis-"anthro"-pic it sounds to me, but by now I have pretty much given up raising a major fuss about those weirdos after the whole blow back I got.
Anyway, going back to the Zebras, it´s honestly hard to say: On one hand the entry blurb described them as highly divided along tribal identities, but on the other hand that was *over thirty in-game years ago* in much a lot could have happened. For example, the continued Caribou raids might have caused them to unite under one warlord that´s using xenohpobic rhetorics as a means to gain and stay in power.
In the end it´s really hard to say for multiple reasons and our best bet would be to *simply get there and have a look*
Just had an idea I thought I'd share: If we granted the Crystal Protectorate it's independence as it's own kingdom followed with a formal request that they join the empire as said kingdom, which they are almost guaranteed to accept, would that influence Maretonia's decision about whether or not they should join our empire? Seeing us make good on our promise to the crystal ponies when we don't really need to might make us seem more trustworthy and mollify those who fear losing their independence to us.
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Maybe? But considering we already made an agreement which doesn't cover doing that for the Crystal Protectorate, I don't know if we could feasibly do that... 🤔
lockingbane
If you're crazy and you know it clap your hands!
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- Waxahachie tx
So a kind of "High King" situation with Griffonia ruling as the "Emperor" which is above "King"?