you can't make an empire without doing a few so called bad action's.

Never said we wouldn't. It just shouldn't be the first move we make. Let the other side waste themselves against our bulwark of alliances and defenses.

Well of just removing them from Griffin lands. So far the species as a whole hasn't shown much interest in co-existence instead then raiding and slave-taking.

That isn't fully true. We have the option for a reason. The fully feral ones will either be driven out or killed. The ones we are talking to are those that have the makings of a true culture if one that takes a lot of cues from us.
 
At the very least, we're going to need to fight a single decisive war against Aquileia, and absorbing their lands while we're still using the feudal system. They're the only group we can't bring in diplomatically.

There are ways, whether it be collapsing them into minor states(HRE time), taking bites out of them each crisis they have, or some really high level diplomacy, but well, the French-Austrian and French-Prussian feuds were legendary.
 
There are ways, whether it be collapsing them into minor states(HRE time), taking bites out of them each crisis they have, or some really high level diplomacy, but well, the French-Austrian and French-Prussian feuds were legendary.
See, the thing is, at this stage of the game there is no national identity to make military conquest problematic. The people, the actual people, won't care if we swap out the local lord for another, so long as we don't mess with taxes to much and we don't burn down their farmland.

The only actual forces that would cause unrest would be the nobility, who are losing power anyway, and depending on where the Griffons are in social development, the emerging middle and upper class. They can be bought off by being lenient with taxes and giving out cushy trade deals.
 
See, the thing is, at this stage of the game there is no national identity to make military conquest problematic. The people, the actual people, won't care if we swap out the local lord for another, so long as we don't mess with taxes to much and we don't burn down their farmland.

The only actual forces that would cause unrest would be the nobility, who are losing power anyway, and depending on where the Griffons are in social development, the emerging middle and upper class. They can be bought off by being lenient with taxes and giving out cushy trade deals.
No national identity makes it harder. These people will view themselves as their regional identity not as a larger cultural entity. Look at the unification of Germany there was a lot of work put into forging a German National identity instead of the local German states. If we conquer it will take years to stamp out the local resistance. It is easier to deal with if we can peacefully absorb those states. Then we can get them to merge our cultures into a greater whole. If someone joins in willing they make a stronger foundation of a Nation.
 
Sometimes you can't peacefully absorb states.
Yes I am aware but we can absorb most without having to kill each other. War will happen it is inevitable doesn't mean we should run headlong into it. Get as many on our side as possible first. Conquest is the most inefficient means of nation building. We have to put more resources into a region before it becomes productive and compliant.
 
We actually have base for unification, remember Griffons lived under one empire before Discord. Not to mention that many medival states were scattered and had to be unified. We are not fighting a war against people, we are fighting a war against nobility that refused to recognise the Emperor (us).
 
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It's a good thing we picked the Diplomatic Merchant King then. We can court most people to our side with minimum bloodshed.
 
It's a good thing we picked the Diplomatic Merchant King then. We can court most people to our side with minimum bloodshed.
Well that really depends because in order for unification to happen we need to win a war against Aquileia. Once that is over there won't be a balance of power anymore so Wingbardy and Feathersia should fall in line.

Basically in order for unification to happen we will have to be ready to back it up by both force and diplomacy.
 
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Well that really depends because in order for unification to happen we need to win a war against Aquileia. Once that is over there won't be a balance of power anymore so Wingbardy and Feathersia should fall in line.

Basically in order for unification to happen we will have to be ready to back it up by both force and diplomacy.
We don't need a war to unite, would be fastest. We can try to diplomatic unify all groups. The issue is the declaration war is the only option.
 
We don't need a war to unite, would be fastest. We can try to diplomatic unify all groups. The issue is the declaration war is the only option.

Only way to do that is to wait for our guy to die, hopefully have a daughter and marry her for future king of Aquileia, then it is possible to unify without a war as their child would inherit everything.
 
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Only way to do that is to wait for our guy to die, hopefully have a daughter and marry her for future king of Aquileia, then it is possible to unify without a war as their child would inherit everything.
Not if we can still have, and take, a diplomatic option to speak with Aquila. We just need them to accept our authority, either because they like us, or we give them a reason to join us that doesn't involve war.
 
Not if we can still have a diplomatic option to speak with Aquila. We just need them to accept our authority, either because they like us, or we give them a reason to join us that doesn't involve war.
The best you can do with that option is alliance because they like us or because they need us.
 
The best you can do with that option is alliance because they like us or because they need us.
We should still try to see if talk is possible. And we have them over a barrel. Technically we are the recognized Emperor, while they are a disloyal subject. We have the other groups who would prefer no war. Sea access. Control of spies. They gain more if they cave to our authority, eventually.
 
We should still try to see if talk is possible. And we have them over a barrel. Technically we are the recognized Emperor, while they are a disloyal subject. We have the other groups who would prefer no war. Sea access. Control of spies. They gain more if they cave to our authority, eventually.
They are actually our equal in might and while other groups don't want war they don't want our rule as well. Remember there was a reason why many kingdoms have fallen apart in middle ages due to weak king and are later unified with stronger king.

Not to mention that at the moment all civs ( including equestria ) are focused on sorting their inertial affairs because of Discord.
But when they sort them up they will all look outside and if we aren't unified by then it will be harder cuz other powers might won't like unified Griffon empire.
 
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They are actually our equal in might and while other groups don't want war they don't want our rule as well. Remember there was a reason why many kingdoms have fallen apart in middle ages due to weak king and are later unified with stronger king.

Not to mention that at the moment all civs ( including equestria ) are focused on sorting their inertial affairs because of Discord.
But when they sort them up they will all look outside and if we aren't unified by then it will be harder cuz other powers might won't like unified Griffon empire.
They were our equal. We have improved since we were told our two nations martial might is equal. Everything done so far has tipped things so if war occurs Griffonia theoretically is in the superior position, militarily and economically. Trade is the lifeblood of Nations. Aquilla needs trade partners while the PC moved early to nab all the trade partners and the partners favor.

I'm not familiar with why things fell apart with a weak king in middle ages. Why? Feudal law?
 
They were our equal. We have improved since we were told our two nations martial might is equal. Everything done so far has tipped things so if war occurs Griffonia theoretically is in the superior position, militarily and economically. Trade is the lifeblood of Nations. Aquilla needs trade partners while the PC moved early to nab all the trade partners and the partners favor.

We are not that far actually. We are just beginning to make inroads, Aquileia started to make fleet first(in one turn to our two, wich makes me to believe that they have martial King) and well even if we are good with Feathersian Leauge we can't stop them from trading with Aquilegia, so they still trade.

I'm not familiar with why things fell apart with a weak king in middle ages. Why? Feudal law?

Not really. If you have ambitious feudal lord who wishes for his own kingdom and decides to secede there isn't much you can do there but go to war. If you don't do it all other Lords will see its possible to secede without consequences and do the same because why would they send part of their taxes to a king when they can keep it all for themselves.
 
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They were our equal. We have improved since we were told our two nations martial might is equal. Everything done so far has tipped things so if war occurs Griffonia theoretically is in the superior position, militarily and economically. Trade is the lifeblood of Nations. Aquilla needs trade partners while the PC moved early to nab all the trade partners and the partners favor.

I'm not familiar with why things fell apart with a weak king in middle ages. Why? Feudal law?
what makes you think they haven't been improving as well? They're not stagnate as one of the first actions they did was to beef up their navy to challenge ours and the only thing we've done is make slight bigger bows and figured out bird calls. We're not going to be stronger then them in less then a decade or at least not to the point where it's noticeable.
 
At the end of the day, we need to play for our strengths - and our strengths give us a clear outline on how we must play the situation.

Objective 1) It's in our best interest to hold the moral high ground in any war between us and Aquillea.

Our best bet would be to strengthen our retaliatory and defensive strength while diplomatically courting others in a increasingly productive manner. The competition seems to lack some diplomatic tact (such angry protesting when we helped Wingbardy = Do you not understand how this will look to the people and nobles of the lands we saved?), so this should be possible albeit not guaranteed. The best Realpolitik scenario for our political situation would be that when the incensed Aquillea declares war on us, it would cause them to force their way through Wingbardy to get to us, drawing our neighbor into our corner.


Objective 2) We must outperform our opposition

In effect, we must present us as a understanding and cooperative leader to our competitor's saber-rattling and diplomatic protests. We have to advance our industry and enrich the populous so they can become better consumers. This will bestow us legitimacy among Feathersian League; as trade does not flourish during a war, their relations with our competitor will start bending out of shape if we manage to paint us as the one less likely to disrupt trade routes. Now, if it was only that it could just end with us getting more lucrative trade when compared to our competitor, but we have already seen how hard Cyril Brochard likes screeching about the great injustice of other griffons accepting we exist and can be of assistance.
If I've learned anything from the internet, people screaming at me makes me double down, not back down. I would presume the Feathersians will end up doing the same if pushed too far.

BTW.
Brochard
Blowhard.
Was this a coincidence, or planned?
 
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Was this a coincidence, or planned?
Puns and general wordplays of names are a thing in MLP.

As for strategy, that depends on how talks with Brochard might go. If he's not willing to back down I say we go Cold War. In that while we buff our military, we also continue to forge and improve economic and diplomatic ties with all the other (friendly) Griffin nations. Meanwhile Aquillea (considering the paranoia of it's leader) will be potentially building their military to a point where it can't be sustained since they've been ticking everyone else off with their attitude.

Maintain the situation for a while and Aquillea might just collapse by itself.
 
I just hope that this cold war doesn't last to long for Aquileia to have a relationship with some other nations besides Griffin nations, then that plan is finished (remember their goal is independentce, while our is unification). My hope is for us to set our relationship with Wingbardy to that measure that Aquileia must declare war on them.
 
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I just hope that this cold war doesn't last to long for Aquileia to have a relationship with some other nations besides Griffin nations, then that plan is finished (remember their goal is independentce, while our is unification). My hope is for us to set our relationship with Wingbardy to that measure that Aquileia must declare war on them.
It seems to me that Aquilia's king's goal is actually unification... under him.
 
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