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Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest

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Raptor580 said:
So does anyone want to put their omake bonus into the into the storm action since its going to need all the help it can get.
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I'M STILL WRITING, MAN!

and probably going to put one there...? going to wait until I finish "Drunk griffons invent calculus" and "Histroy book excerpt" befoer deciding, unless I run out of time...
 
don't understand why people are so obligated to go into debt just because it has no negatives it is still wrong from a IC perspective to try to go into debt when we don't even need to.
 
I kinda think that going into depth should have some consequences when there is no urgency like interest rates and some favours to the creditors because to make this realistic we shouldn't be able to create money out of thin air, or we will have inflation .
 
Honestly it just seems people are being impatient. They wanted to get everything at once. I can understand that but it goes against the character we have been building. We have played Garrick as a pragmatic ruler who avoids overspending. Even in the beginning some of us at least figured out that it was possible to go into debt we just didn't do it because it was no reason to. Even now there's no reason to because we aren't in any major situation that the only other option is to die if we don't go into it.
 
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Revan4221X said:
don't understand why people are so obligated to go into debt just because it has no negatives it is still wrong from a IC perspective to try to go into debt when we don't even need to.
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It is not wrong, according to the QM the people don't care, so from an IC perspective it would be a completely valid strategy. As a merchant he's probably very familiar with the concept of borrowing to build your business.
Star said:
I kinda think that going into depth should have some consequences when there is no urgency like interest rates and some favours to the creditors because to make this realistic we shouldn't be able to create money out of thin air, or we will have inflation .
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Why would there be consequences, countries throughout history have gone into debt to their people, and as long as they pay it back there weren't issues. Stop hating on debt, there is nothing wrong with it.
 
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Debt is not a good thing, just because nothing happens as long as we pay it back doesnt mean we should go into it just because we can.
Adhoc vote count started by Raptor580 on Feb 21, 2019 at 2:45 PM, finished with 208 posts and 63 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Let them grieve
    [X] Plan: Rebuild and Expand
    [X] Plan Industrialization
    -[X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers
    -[X] Licking Wounds
    -[X] The Neighborly Thing to Do
    -[X] Tomb of Fallen Heroes
    -[X] I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK
    -[X] Coke-Fired Blast Furnaces
    -[X] Cannon Foundry
    -[X] Into the Storm
    -[X] Getting Swole
    -[X] Combing the Archives
    [X] Plan: The Southern Wall
    -[X] Hans, Get the Flamethrower: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward: +4 Static Flame Projectors
    -[X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers: Cost: 1000. Time: Two Years. Reward: Southern Border Watchtowers built, removes possibility of surprise attacks, may discourage raids into core territory.
    -[X] The Neighborly Thing to Do: Cost: 1000. Time: One Year. Reward: Better relations with Yak Clans, Yaks gain access to steel tools, armor and weapons. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] Tomb of Fallen Heroes: Cost: 800. Time: One Year. Reward: War Memorial Constructed, Bonus to morale and certain combat rolls.
    -[X] I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK: Cost: 150. Time: One Year. Reward: Logging income. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] Coke-Fired Blast Furnaces: Cost: 600. Time: Two Years. Reward: Increased Iron/Steel Production, new Learning Actions Unlocked, Can now Smelt Orichalcum.
    -[X] Cannon Ships: Cost: 100. Reward: New Ship Class Designed.
    -[X] Yakity Yak: Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: New Intel on Yak Clans and the Fallout from the Winter War, possibility of new Intrigue Options. Chance of Success: 60%
    -[X] Getting Swole: Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Increased martial stat, chance to upgrade Toned Trait, chance to improve Gabriella's opinion of you. Chance of Success: 55%
    -[X] Small Blades: Cost: 50. Time: One Year. Reward: Master-Crafted Daggers for Gawain and Gwyndlyn.
    [X] Recovery
    [X] Plan Recovery and Reparations.
    [X] Plan: Rebuild and Expand ​
    [X] Gun-Cotton: Black Powder weapons are powerful, but they have some flaws, one of the most significant of which is the massive amount of smoke they produce. Archimedes believes he may have stumbled upon a solution. When paper or cloth is soaked in aqua fortis and sulfuric acid and then dried, the resulting material produces more than three times the force of a similar volume of blackpowder with much less smoke. Of course, finding a way to mass produce the stuff and apply it to your cannons is a difficult task, one that Archimedes will need time and funding to perform. Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: Gun-Cotton developed, +5 to all Cannon Rolls.
    [X] Yakity Yak: The Yaks showcased their strength when they fought alongside you and yours at the Battle of Redstone Pass. They proved to be great allies...but they could also become a powerful enemy if things were to go wrong. The war has stirred up the Yaks' cultural and political landscape. You need to know what exactly is going on in the lands of your Western
    [X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers: You snagged a victory and prevented an invasion of your country by the skin of your beak, and it was a costly victory at that. You're not stupid enough to think that you've seen the last of that foe forever, and if you have to worry about another invasion you're going to need serious fortifications along your Southern Border. Your military leaders have drawn up a multi-year step-by-step plan to turn the Peregrine mountains into a nearly impassible fortress. The first step, much like the plan to fortify the Black Cliffs, begins with watchtowers. Well, technically they're watchtowers but they're more like miniature forts designed to act as signaling stations. The squadrons of soldiers assigned to these defenses won't be able to repel any significant assaults, but they'll discourage infiltration and raids into your territory, and give vital warning in the event of another border assault. And they will serve as the foundation for a much larger and more impressive set of fortifications. Cost: 1000. Time: Two Years. Reward: Southern Border Watchtowers built, removes possibility of surprise attacks, may discourage raids into core territory.
    [X] Combing the Archives: The Imperial Archives hold many secrets and much wisdom. It contains not only reams upon reams of records from recent years, but also what scraps of information have been recovered from the ruins of Pre-Discord civilization. Perhaps some of these decaying scraps of old parchment could contain bits of knowledge relevant to you in the present? Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Chance to gain information and knowledge from Pre-Discord Records.
    [X] Coke-Fired Blast Furnaces: Iron and Steel are the lifeblood of your economy, constituting everything from tools to building materials to weapons. However, they are difficult to produce in vast amounts. The only reason your people have been able to do so thus far is because of the sheer amount of ore available to you in your mountains, and the number of mining and smelting operations currently underway as a result. Genevieve has come up with a potential solution to allow for greater production of these metals. Using coal that has been treated in much the same way wood is treated to produce charcoal, a new form of dense, cleaner-burning fuel can be used to heat a new kind of massive, vertical smelting furnace the size of a building with a much greater output of metals. Naturally, this will be expensive, but Genevieve states that the increased metal production will be necessary to allow for greater innovation and widespread implementation of new devices, not to mention the smelting of this new "Orichalcum". Cost: 600. Time: Two Years. Reward: Increased Iron/Steel Production, new Learning Actions Unlocked, Can now Smelt Orichalcum.
    [X] Steam Pumped Land Drainage: Due to the mountainous and heavily forested nature of the Griffonlands, arable land is often at a premium. If one wishes to establish a farm, one must clear the land of trees (and the beasts that live among them), or risk trying to farm on rocks. There are a handful of places in the Empire that would be prime farmland were they not flooded or otherwise too wet to plant crops on. Ordinarily these lands would be impossible to drain, but Archimedes' new Steam Pump offers a new potential option for land drainage. It'll be expensive and time consuming, but the extra agricultural output just might be worth it. Cost: 500. Time: Two Years. Reward: Water-logged areas cleared, additional farming income.
    [X] Tomb of Fallen Heroes: Thousands of Imperial citizens died in defense of their homeland at Redstone Pass. And, the world being the dangerous place that it is, thousands more are likely to give their lives in service to the Empire at some point in the near-future. Such sacrifice deserves more than a simple headstone or makeshift memorial in a town square. It deserves a monument. A hall of ancestors greater than any other in the Empire, a building like the great temples of the ancient Gods. The honored dead deserve no less. Cost: 800. Time: One Year. Reward: War Memorial Constructed, Bonus to morale and certain combat rolls.
    [X] Eastern Expedition: You don't really know anything about them, but they haven't done anything to harm your people, which already places them a league ahead of your Southern Neighbor. Send a ship and some volunteer diplomats to make contact and establish some sort of diplomatic relations. At the very least, it would be nice to know that you don't have to worry about a war on two fronts. Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: Contact made with Eastern Neighbors. Chance of Success: 80%
    [X] Licking Wounds: Your Forces were ravaged at the battle of Redstone Pass. Thousands of Griffons, Dogs and Yaks were killed in the defense of their homes. The enemy may have been defeated, but the Dark King is still out there, and you've no idea what state he or his slave-kingdom are in. If he returns before you can rebuild your forces, you won't stand a chance. The casualty rates from the battle were a shock to your people...but they know that any war against your Southern Neighbor is a war for the very survival of your culture. If you call for citizens to fill the ranks of your army, you know that they shall answer. Cost: 3560. Time: One Year. Reward: Army returned to Pre-War Numbers.
    [X] Plan: There is a delay
    -[X] Hans, Get the Flamethrower: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward: +4 Static Flame Projectors
    -[X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers: Cost: 1000. Time: Two Years. Reward: Southern Border Watchtowers built, removes possibility of surprise attacks, may discourage raids into core territory.
    -[X] The Neighborly Thing to Do: Cost: 1000. Time: One Year. Reward: Better relations with Yak Clans, Yaks gain access to steel tools, armor and weapons. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK: Cost: 150. Time: One Year. Reward: Logging income. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] Imperial Brew: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward:
    Government Controlled Breweries. Gain Alcohol Sales Income. May raise Peasant Opinion. May lower Peasant Opinion. 50% chance of either outcome.​
    -[X] Cannon Foundry: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward: Cannon Foundry Constructed, additional Learning and Martial Actions Unlocked.
    -[X] Gun-Cotton: Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: Gun-Cotton developed, +5 to all Cannon Rolls.
    -[X] Yakity Yak: Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: New Intel on Yak Clans and the Fallout from the Winter War, possibility of new Intrigue Options. Chance of Success: 60%
    -[X] Getting Swole: Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Increased martial stat, chance to upgrade Toned Trait, chance to improve Gabriella's opinion of you. Chance of Success: 55%
    -[X] Combing the Archives: Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Chance to gain information and knowledge from Pre-Discord Records.
    [X] Getting Swole: One of the numerous reasons you refused to fight Brochard was that he was so much stronger than you. A blade and a suit of armor mitigated that advantage a great deal, but it didn't remove it completely. You trained with your wife not long ago, and that training showed results, but the results weren't quite as big an improvement as you'd hoped. If you're going to be an Emperor worthy of the title, you need to be strong, especially if you're going to be throwing yourself into harms way like you did in the Winter War. Have Gabriella put you through an even more grueling fitness regimen and see if you can't improve your physique a bit more. Just because she's pregnant doesn't mean she can't put you through your paces! Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Increased martial stat, chance to upgrade Toned Trait, chance to improve Gabriella's opinion of you. Chance of Success: 55%
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Zarion said:
Why would there be consequences, countries throughout history have gone into debt to their people, and as long as they pay it back there weren't issues. Stop hating on debt, there is nothing wrong with it.
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Because when those countries go into depth they normally pay it with interests, or with favour to creditors.

There is a way to not pay it but it involves rising taxes or seizing property by force.
Here it's basically is not said that from where we are getting money at all.
 
Raptor580 said:
Debt is not a good thing, just because nothing happens as long as we pay it back doesnt mean we should go into it just because we can.
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Both in modern times and in history, debt can be incredibly beneficial, it allows you to make large investments upfront, as long as it's controlled and you're capable of paying it off it is very useful. I don't know why you have this weird idea about debt, but ask any business major about debt and they'll tell you how useful it can be.
 
Star said:
Because when those countries go into depth they normally pay it with interests, or with favour to creditors.

There is a way to not pay it but it involves rising taxes or seizing property by force.
Here it's basically is not said that from where we are getting money at all.
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Actually most of those debts were in the form of promises to pay back the money, there weren't favors traded, and interest on national debt is relatively new.
 
Zarion said:
Both in modern times and in history, debt can be incredibly beneficial, it allows you to make large investments upfront, as long as it's controlled and you're capable of paying it off it is very useful. I don't know why you have this weird idea about debt, but ask any business major about debt and they'll tell you how useful it can be.
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yes in irl debt can be a good thing but for this game here we have no reason to go into debt just because we can there is no rush no emergence for it and just seems kinda ridiculous we have time now to do things and keep a reserve for any emergence that might happen.
Adhoc vote count started by Raptor580 on Feb 21, 2019 at 2:52 PM, finished with 212 posts and 63 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Rebuild and Expand
    [X] Plan: Let them grieve
    [X] Plan Industrialization
    -[X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers
    -[X] Licking Wounds
    -[X] The Neighborly Thing to Do
    -[X] Tomb of Fallen Heroes
    -[X] I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK
    -[X] Coke-Fired Blast Furnaces
    -[X] Cannon Foundry
    -[X] Into the Storm
    -[X] Getting Swole
    -[X] Combing the Archives
    [X] Plan: The Southern Wall
    -[X] Hans, Get the Flamethrower: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward: +4 Static Flame Projectors
    -[X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers: Cost: 1000. Time: Two Years. Reward: Southern Border Watchtowers built, removes possibility of surprise attacks, may discourage raids into core territory.
    -[X] The Neighborly Thing to Do: Cost: 1000. Time: One Year. Reward: Better relations with Yak Clans, Yaks gain access to steel tools, armor and weapons. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] Tomb of Fallen Heroes: Cost: 800. Time: One Year. Reward: War Memorial Constructed, Bonus to morale and certain combat rolls.
    -[X] I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK: Cost: 150. Time: One Year. Reward: Logging income. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] Coke-Fired Blast Furnaces: Cost: 600. Time: Two Years. Reward: Increased Iron/Steel Production, new Learning Actions Unlocked, Can now Smelt Orichalcum.
    -[X] Cannon Ships: Cost: 100. Reward: New Ship Class Designed.
    -[X] Yakity Yak: Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: New Intel on Yak Clans and the Fallout from the Winter War, possibility of new Intrigue Options. Chance of Success: 60%
    -[X] Getting Swole: Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Increased martial stat, chance to upgrade Toned Trait, chance to improve Gabriella's opinion of you. Chance of Success: 55%
    -[X] Small Blades: Cost: 50. Time: One Year. Reward: Master-Crafted Daggers for Gawain and Gwyndlyn.
    [X] Recovery
    [X] Plan Recovery and Reparations.
    [X] Gun-Cotton: Black Powder weapons are powerful, but they have some flaws, one of the most significant of which is the massive amount of smoke they produce. Archimedes believes he may have stumbled upon a solution. When paper or cloth is soaked in aqua fortis and sulfuric acid and then dried, the resulting material produces more than three times the force of a similar volume of blackpowder with much less smoke. Of course, finding a way to mass produce the stuff and apply it to your cannons is a difficult task, one that Archimedes will need time and funding to perform. Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: Gun-Cotton developed, +5 to all Cannon Rolls.
    [X] Yakity Yak: The Yaks showcased their strength when they fought alongside you and yours at the Battle of Redstone Pass. They proved to be great allies...but they could also become a powerful enemy if things were to go wrong. The war has stirred up the Yaks' cultural and political landscape. You need to know what exactly is going on in the lands of your Western
    [X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers: You snagged a victory and prevented an invasion of your country by the skin of your beak, and it was a costly victory at that. You're not stupid enough to think that you've seen the last of that foe forever, and if you have to worry about another invasion you're going to need serious fortifications along your Southern Border. Your military leaders have drawn up a multi-year step-by-step plan to turn the Peregrine mountains into a nearly impassible fortress. The first step, much like the plan to fortify the Black Cliffs, begins with watchtowers. Well, technically they're watchtowers but they're more like miniature forts designed to act as signaling stations. The squadrons of soldiers assigned to these defenses won't be able to repel any significant assaults, but they'll discourage infiltration and raids into your territory, and give vital warning in the event of another border assault. And they will serve as the foundation for a much larger and more impressive set of fortifications. Cost: 1000. Time: Two Years. Reward: Southern Border Watchtowers built, removes possibility of surprise attacks, may discourage raids into core territory.
    [X] Combing the Archives: The Imperial Archives hold many secrets and much wisdom. It contains not only reams upon reams of records from recent years, but also what scraps of information have been recovered from the ruins of Pre-Discord civilization. Perhaps some of these decaying scraps of old parchment could contain bits of knowledge relevant to you in the present? Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Chance to gain information and knowledge from Pre-Discord Records.
    [X] Coke-Fired Blast Furnaces: Iron and Steel are the lifeblood of your economy, constituting everything from tools to building materials to weapons. However, they are difficult to produce in vast amounts. The only reason your people have been able to do so thus far is because of the sheer amount of ore available to you in your mountains, and the number of mining and smelting operations currently underway as a result. Genevieve has come up with a potential solution to allow for greater production of these metals. Using coal that has been treated in much the same way wood is treated to produce charcoal, a new form of dense, cleaner-burning fuel can be used to heat a new kind of massive, vertical smelting furnace the size of a building with a much greater output of metals. Naturally, this will be expensive, but Genevieve states that the increased metal production will be necessary to allow for greater innovation and widespread implementation of new devices, not to mention the smelting of this new "Orichalcum". Cost: 600. Time: Two Years. Reward: Increased Iron/Steel Production, new Learning Actions Unlocked, Can now Smelt Orichalcum.
    [X] Steam Pumped Land Drainage: Due to the mountainous and heavily forested nature of the Griffonlands, arable land is often at a premium. If one wishes to establish a farm, one must clear the land of trees (and the beasts that live among them), or risk trying to farm on rocks. There are a handful of places in the Empire that would be prime farmland were they not flooded or otherwise too wet to plant crops on. Ordinarily these lands would be impossible to drain, but Archimedes' new Steam Pump offers a new potential option for land drainage. It'll be expensive and time consuming, but the extra agricultural output just might be worth it. Cost: 500. Time: Two Years. Reward: Water-logged areas cleared, additional farming income.
    [X] Tomb of Fallen Heroes: Thousands of Imperial citizens died in defense of their homeland at Redstone Pass. And, the world being the dangerous place that it is, thousands more are likely to give their lives in service to the Empire at some point in the near-future. Such sacrifice deserves more than a simple headstone or makeshift memorial in a town square. It deserves a monument. A hall of ancestors greater than any other in the Empire, a building like the great temples of the ancient Gods. The honored dead deserve no less. Cost: 800. Time: One Year. Reward: War Memorial Constructed, Bonus to morale and certain combat rolls.
    [X] Eastern Expedition: You don't really know anything about them, but they haven't done anything to harm your people, which already places them a league ahead of your Southern Neighbor. Send a ship and some volunteer diplomats to make contact and establish some sort of diplomatic relations. At the very least, it would be nice to know that you don't have to worry about a war on two fronts. Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: Contact made with Eastern Neighbors. Chance of Success: 80%
    [X] Licking Wounds: Your Forces were ravaged at the battle of Redstone Pass. Thousands of Griffons, Dogs and Yaks were killed in the defense of their homes. The enemy may have been defeated, but the Dark King is still out there, and you've no idea what state he or his slave-kingdom are in. If he returns before you can rebuild your forces, you won't stand a chance. The casualty rates from the battle were a shock to your people...but they know that any war against your Southern Neighbor is a war for the very survival of your culture. If you call for citizens to fill the ranks of your army, you know that they shall answer. Cost: 3560. Time: One Year. Reward: Army returned to Pre-War Numbers.
    [X] Plan: There is a delay
    -[X] Hans, Get the Flamethrower: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward: +4 Static Flame Projectors
    -[X] The Peregrine Line-Watchtowers: Cost: 1000. Time: Two Years. Reward: Southern Border Watchtowers built, removes possibility of surprise attacks, may discourage raids into core territory.
    -[X] The Neighborly Thing to Do: Cost: 1000. Time: One Year. Reward: Better relations with Yak Clans, Yaks gain access to steel tools, armor and weapons. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK: Cost: 150. Time: One Year. Reward: Logging income. Chance of Success: 70%
    -[X] Imperial Brew: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward:
    Government Controlled Breweries. Gain Alcohol Sales Income. May raise Peasant Opinion. May lower Peasant Opinion. 50% chance of either outcome.​
    -[X] Cannon Foundry: Cost: 400. Time: One Year. Reward: Cannon Foundry Constructed, additional Learning and Martial Actions Unlocked.
    -[X] Gun-Cotton: Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: Gun-Cotton developed, +5 to all Cannon Rolls.
    -[X] Yakity Yak: Cost: 300. Time: One Year. Reward: New Intel on Yak Clans and the Fallout from the Winter War, possibility of new Intrigue Options. Chance of Success: 60%
    -[X] Getting Swole: Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Increased martial stat, chance to upgrade Toned Trait, chance to improve Gabriella's opinion of you. Chance of Success: 55%
    -[X] Combing the Archives: Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Chance to gain information and knowledge from Pre-Discord Records.
    [X] Getting Swole: One of the numerous reasons you refused to fight Brochard was that he was so much stronger than you. A blade and a suit of armor mitigated that advantage a great deal, but it didn't remove it completely. You trained with your wife not long ago, and that training showed results, but the results weren't quite as big an improvement as you'd hoped. If you're going to be an Emperor worthy of the title, you need to be strong, especially if you're going to be throwing yourself into harms way like you did in the Winter War. Have Gabriella put you through an even more grueling fitness regimen and see if you can't improve your physique a bit more. Just because she's pregnant doesn't mean she can't put you through your paces! Cost: 0. Time: One Year. Reward: Increased martial stat, chance to upgrade Toned Trait, chance to improve Gabriella's opinion of you. Chance of Success: 55%
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Raptor580 said:
yes in irl debt can be a good thing but for this game here we have no reason to go into debt just because we can there is no rush no emergence for it and just seems kinda ridiculous we have time now to do things and keep a reserve for any emergence that might happen.
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From my perspective I see benefits to starting certain options earlier and no downsides, while the other is just a standard plan, so as far as I'm concerned there's absolutely no reason not to go into dept whatsoever.
 
Zarion said:
From my perspective I see benefits to starting certain options earlier and no downsides, while the other is just a standard plan, so as far as I'm concerned there's absolutely no reason not to go into dept whatsoever.
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I always like to have a reserve of money in case of shit going sideways for one reason or another thats why im advocating for the other plan.
 
Ok, normally I don't like calling the vote when it's so close but I've already left this open longer than I usually do, so Plan Rebuild and Expand seems to have it.

Thank you all for your input!
 
If there was a time constraint on any of the multi-year options then yes starting them now and going into debt would be acceptable. That is not the case at all though. We are in fact extremely secure and safe at the moment. the perfect time to let ourselves grow naturally and not trying to force growth by going into debt.

Also a lot of these voters seem to be people who just recently joined as well. Is another reason why I think we should have the no voting period. But despite many of us asking the QM to do it he's never responded to any of our request for one. if we had the no voting. We have legitimate discussions instead of a bunch of random plans being thrown up and then a bunch of random people coming in voting without thinking.
 
So next turn we should settle the lands, meet our neighbors to the east and upgrade our ships with cannons. And just to get it done and off the list already chop down the forest.
 
Adventwolf said:
If there was a time constraint on any of the multi-year options then yes starting them now and going into debt would be acceptable. That is not the case at all though. We are in fact extremely secure and safe at the moment. the perfect time to let ourselves grow naturally and not trying to force growth by going into debt.

Also a lot of these voters seem to be people who just recently joined as well. Is another reason why I think we should have the no voting period. But despite many of us asking the QM to do it he's never responded to any of our request for one. if we had the no voting. We have legitimate discussions instead of a bunch of random plans being thrown up and then a bunch of random people coming in voting without thinking.
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to be honest, due to the answer to the debt question coming in a bit late and given that was an important contributor to many peoples votes, I kind of want a redo of the vote. I doubt it would change anything, and the decisions already made (its the one I wanted, too), but it feels off to just accept it like this. But eh.

In the future though, I too would like to have a period of just planning without voting.
 
Lisain said:
to be honest, due to the answer to the debt question coming in a bit late and given that was an important contributor to many peoples votes, I kind of want a redo of the vote. I doubt it would change anything, and the decisions already made (its the one I wanted, too), but it feels off to just accept it like this. But eh.

In the future though, I too would like to have a period of just planning without voting.
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Apologies, I'll make a moratorium on voting a standard feature in the upcoming turns.
 
I do wonder if we keep the griffons to this rate of advancement we could maybe have zepplins soon maybe with helium used instead of hydrogen lol
Really make sure we always have air superiority. Hopefully with an expy of an abridged hellsing major but in charge.

but griffons I bet would be great fighter pilots and submarine captains because they are already instinctively prepared for 3D combat

On that note I wonder if we could make a science college to add even more actions or speed up certain longer actions
 
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hyperspacemage said:
I do wonder if we keep the griffons to this rate of advancement we could maybe have zepplins soon maybe with helium used instead of hydrogen lol
Really make sure we always have air superiority. Hopefully with an expy of an abridged hellsing major but in charge.

but griffons I bet would be great fighter pilots and submarine captains because they are already instinctively prepared for 3D combat
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I think diamond dogs would be better suited for submarines since Griffins don't like enclosed places such as mines so I doubt they will like submarines.
 
Eventually we will develop some form of Zeppelin. And yeah we will definitely be using helium instead of hydrogen. Unlike some other nations we hopefully won't be in embargoed for helium. Though I think most of us are still hoping to get magitek developed. So we can shove it in the face of all the magical races that we can figure it out using pure science.
 
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