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so basically it would only happen to twilight and friends.
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
- Thread starter Questor
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nah, for them sombra would just die, you'd need fixfic!twillight and friends.
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You know...
I am gonna wait for the update. See how it rolls.
Then I will argue, for either side, depending on how it goes, and what truths can we gleam from it.
For all we know, we'll win, but do that by drowning them in our own blood.
Or we'll end up with a lucky victory that won't decimate our miltary.
OR it turns out all that ammo and fresh soldiers was the difference we needed to win.
But that'll be then.
In the meantime... any good Omake ideas? Could try that myself as well. Even best case scenario needs bonuses to recovery rolls.
I am gonna wait for the update. See how it rolls.
Then I will argue, for either side, depending on how it goes, and what truths can we gleam from it.
For all we know, we'll win, but do that by drowning them in our own blood.
Or we'll end up with a lucky victory that won't decimate our miltary.
OR it turns out all that ammo and fresh soldiers was the difference we needed to win.
But that'll be then.
In the meantime... any good Omake ideas? Could try that myself as well. Even best case scenario needs bonuses to recovery rolls.
how about something with the kirin? we haven't properly met them yet.
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eh, in the comics Sombra is redeemed i think. Didn't read that chapternah, for them sombra would just die, you'd need fixfic!twillight and friends.
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- Hell
Pfft, I would say hardly any of us are military experts. Nor would it actually mean anything since it would have to be seen through the lens of both magic, power of friendship, and whole bunch of never foreseen circumstances in real life.
Does not mean you guys cannot be wrong
It is especially hilarious for you to use such buzz words like min-max or optimal against us as if they were insults, as if you even know that means. You try and paint us as a bunch of tryhards that want to win as if you guys are not trying to win either.
It really sounds like you are crying that we 'know' what we are talking about and are trying to win and that is unfair.
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Do not throw stones in glass houses, please.
Whatever my friend your entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.Pfft, I would say hardly any of us are military experts. Nor would it actually mean anything since it would have to be seen through the lens of both magic, power of friendship, and whole bunch of never foreseen circumstances in real life.
Does not mean you guys cannot be wrong
It is especially hilarious for you to use such buzz words like min-max or optimal against us as if they were insults, as if you even know that means. You try and paint us as a bunch of tryhards that want to win as if you guys are not trying to win either.
It really sounds like you are crying that we 'know' what we are talking about and are trying to win and that is unfair.
Now onto something I've been wondering @Questor how long does it typically take for a dragon to reach like say old enough to be considered an adult.
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Enough already the vote is over put that energy over sniping at each other into something productive like omakes instead.
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- Maryland
It varies. Greed growth is a factor, as are the circumstances of a dragon's environment.
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So basically however long the quest demands it takes.
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well, once she's actually not a child anymore (mentally i mean) we MIGHT actually try to experiment with greed growth is she's ok with it.
We're already raising her with a martial focus if i remember right, might as well see what we can do to make her ready in case it's necessary.
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Nope, we went with stewardship focus. And greed growth is never good at all. It twists the mind into something completely alien to who and what they once were.
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Actually the marital one did win for our dragon daughter. But i do agree with greed growth being bad.
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Nevermind martial did win.
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eh, i'd avoid it until she's mentally an adult at least, but i don't know if it's always a bad thing.
Maybe moderation,self control and/or meditation can help you control it, for example. It really depends on Questor's headcanon, the show has the greed growth happen ONCE and then it's never spoken of again.
I think considering it always evil is like having the changelings evil just because.
Or having dark magic and necromancy automatically being evil for no real reason.
I mean, both Twilight and Celestia shortly used Dark magic and they're fine.
As an extreme case I can actually imagine a few scenarios in which necromancy could actually be used for good (unless there are unavoidable AND unacceptable side effects and costs).
If Necromancy is actually "manipulate and torture souls" it's obviously no good, but if it's instead "control a dead body", "talk to the spirits of the dead" or even "bring people back to life"...then it's not always a black and white thing.
I remember once reading online of a d&d campaign in which the "dark lord" was a necromancer, and was actually a good guy who used zombies to farm and mine so that the peasants didn't need to. THAT is a possible good use of necromancy, depending on the rules of the system. (and the players were tricked into killing him by nobles/royals who simply wanted the old status quo back).
I'm rambling a bit, but what i mean is basically that i don't want to label an ability, power or even race as evil without good reason.
Sombra, for example, is clearly evil. His magical abilities are not necessarily evil as well (though I'd never trust him if he tried to offer knowledge and power)
..How did i get from greed growth to this?
Maybe moderation,self control and/or meditation can help you control it, for example. It really depends on Questor's headcanon, the show has the greed growth happen ONCE and then it's never spoken of again.
I think considering it always evil is like having the changelings evil just because.
Or having dark magic and necromancy automatically being evil for no real reason.
I mean, both Twilight and Celestia shortly used Dark magic and they're fine.
As an extreme case I can actually imagine a few scenarios in which necromancy could actually be used for good (unless there are unavoidable AND unacceptable side effects and costs).
If Necromancy is actually "manipulate and torture souls" it's obviously no good, but if it's instead "control a dead body", "talk to the spirits of the dead" or even "bring people back to life"...then it's not always a black and white thing.
I remember once reading online of a d&d campaign in which the "dark lord" was a necromancer, and was actually a good guy who used zombies to farm and mine so that the peasants didn't need to. THAT is a possible good use of necromancy, depending on the rules of the system. (and the players were tricked into killing him by nobles/royals who simply wanted the old status quo back).
I'm rambling a bit, but what i mean is basically that i don't want to label an ability, power or even race as evil without good reason.
Sombra, for example, is clearly evil. His magical abilities are not necessarily evil as well (though I'd never trust him if he tried to offer knowledge and power)
..How did i get from greed growth to this?
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Never said it was evil I said it twists the dragon's mind. This changes how they think it isn't evil it is unnatural. It is brought up in later episodes when Spike is growing naturally. He talks to another Dragon and she tells him that Greed Growth is not a natural things Dragon do. He gets wings from this by the way.
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checked to be sure. This is their exchange
"Spike: the last time i grew up i turned into a giant greedy monster!"
"Smoulder: Greed Induced Bigness, that's totally different"
It's slightly implied that's bad, but i don't know how strong a confirmation of it i'd consider it. Smoulder doesn't even seem that surprised or worried about that having happened to Spike in the past. And that's why i was suggesting some kind of meditation/self control to try to limit the mental side-effects (and, as i said, we should wait until she's an adult anyway).
Even greed isn't necessarily a bad thing after all, if not left unchecked.
I mean, wishing for more is what pushes people to new discoveries and inventions.
Maybe we'll meet some dragon that will be able to tell us more, or the Qilin know something about it.
On a secondary note Questor gave a like to the post where i proposed the idea. I presume that means it's at the very least a possibility, if not an easy one (and certainly not something that will happen soon anyway..unless we end up spoiling her by accident).
p.s. about the unnatural bit...it's not like unnatural=bad. Modern society is as unnatural as possible after all, and i think very few people would prefer to live in the "natural" world instead that in houses with running water and electricity
Staying in mlp...well, i can't think of anything more unnatural than Discord, and in canon mlp he's not that bad after he's redeemed.
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Not really Spike was and still is very young so it makes sense that he is small. He is either the same age or slightly older than the CMCs and they are small as well. Dragons come in many sizes some big some small.
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Don't think this means you've won!
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Spoken like someone who's never had a firebreathing dog fly in circles around their head and try and claw their face off.
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useless? I'll remind you of what little spike did as a counterargument
he jumped from pony to pony like Nintendo's Mario, used a VERY impressive fire breath and, most incredible of all...
He pulled an umbrella out of nowhere!! (Pinkie Pie approves)
Ok, let's forget the last one, but even as a small dragon Gwindlyn is basically a portable version of our big firethrower. Add ACTUAL martial training to it and access to the treasury in case of emergency greed growth if necessary...and maybe that isn't even necessary. Maybe wanting to protect your family and friends because they're YOURS would count?
Oh, and there is also this, which he did immediately after getting his wings