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We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]

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Mayari said:
It'd be pretty cool if we could grow ships from a seed or something. Even just the shell, and we'll just need to install the inner components.

Something like the Startree from Hyperion Cantos (perhaps a miniature copy) would be awesome as well.
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We'd need something that could grow with just sunlight, not air or water, but... maybe possible under those conditions?

I was thinking habitats myself, but that would have the same issue... And just making worlds habitable that aren't.

Build really fucking tall in the most horrifying way possible.

Could maybe save on wiring though? Have plants carry signals. Would save on precious metals.

Space Elevators could certainly be a thing, though might be too draining on resources. I remember one Warhammer Fantasy quest that had one of our daughter make trees that could live in seawater, separating out the salt from it, so that could be a thing? Space elevators out of the ocean that dig into the bed rock for support there.
jwolfe_beta said:
Never played Pikmin so I'll take your word for it. Now the Geneforge series, I reconigize.
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Pikmin are the cutest abominations of nature I can think of off the top of my head.

Yellow ones basically are immune to and channel electricity well enough to insert themselves into circuits and complete them, Reds are immune to fire, Blues breath underwater, Purple's are really heavy and basically do the ant think of lifting many times their own weight (equaling 10 other pikmin in the games), and whites are just super poisonous and acidic little buggers. And smol.

They're dumb as bricks though, but absolutely nightmareish if you could make them turn into a full blown infestation because they also work together really well and fairly instinctively. See afore mentioned problem as being dum as brick however kind of hamstrings them a bit.

I don't care about the enemy types so much frog is suggesting, but these things are about the size of ants, so their ability to just into things shouldn't be discounted all on its own, nevermind what they could do once they get in there.
 
ShadowAngelBeta said:
Yellow ones basically are immune to and channel electricity well enough to insert themselves into circuits and complete them, Reds are immune to fire, Blues breath underwater, Purple's are really heavy and basically do the ant think of lifting many times their own weight (equaling 10 other pikmin in the games), and whites are just super poisonous and acidic little buggers. And smol.
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I never get tired of seeing a purple lift a 'bear sized scaling things to mact' all on its own.

They're dumb as bricks though, but absolutely nightmareish if you could make them turn into a full blown infestation because they also work together really well and fairly instinctively. See afore mentioned problem as being dum as brick however kind of hamstrings them a bit.
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Don't forget the species as a whole having explosive population growth, theres a reason giving them a smart leader makes them terrifying.... heck if the shorts are anything to go by you can get a ton done with even just one commander.

I don't care about the enemy types so much frog is suggesting, but these things are about the size of ants, so their ability to just into things shouldn't be discounted all on its own, nevermind what they could do once they get in there.
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What can I say I say, I wanted to suggest something related to frogs and remember the groinks in the process.

Yeah that small size works even if we have scale them up roughly nurgling size for practicality (Thats a lot of stuff for ant sized critters) but that's still quite able to cause trouble given nurglings/grots have that as there shticks in cannon... well that and carrying sorcerers for nurglings.
 
Alectai said:
[ ] Training the Troops: Ranger Doctrine (Requires 1 Manpower + Horatio Mills) (DC 60)
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'Ranger' Doctrine is one of Marshal Mills' suggestions for the volunteers who want to fight for you but aren't divinely ordained baby angels of war. You're generally going to find yourself at a disadvantage in a straight fight he says, between your inability to put together a reliable source of advanced technology that can be produced on the necessary scale, and the reality that you'll probably find yourself outnumbered regularly. "So don't bother" he says, putting out his lho-stick in an ashtray set up for him. "Use that magic tenacity and bleed them for every step they take--humans were endurance predators to begin with, cut, wound, harry them, and fade into the shadows." This is evidently a highly effective doctrine at making best use of limited numbers, but is vulnerable to getting outplayed by superior troops if they ever show up. "Don't try to do this against Astartes, you'll only die tired' he warns.

[ ] Training the Troops: Vanguard Doctrine (Requires 1 Manpower + Horatio Mills) (DC 60)
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The second option that Marshal Mills suggests is a 'Vanguard' Doctrine. Humans don't normally like getting stuck in for all that we've made a big point of doing it he says, mostly because everyone else in the galaxy is better at it mostly. Your blessings and what are derived from them change that calculus--with performance augmenting armor and some form of heavy duty ranged weapon, your soldiers can execute a slow, grinding advance while hosing down the targets with fire. This strategy will be vulnerable to supply shock, but extremely effective against anything that can't stand indefinitely under heavy pressure, like most human formations.

[ ] Training the Troops: Rifle Doctrine (Requires 1 Manpower + Horatio Mills) (DC 60)
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The final option Marshal Mills thinks could work would be a variation on the typical strategy employed by the Imperial Guard--an advancing gunline that doesn't do anything fancy, but just projects power steadily and reliably, with enough agility to pivot to changes if need be. Not exciting and does tend to fall apart if the enemy is too resistant to your weapons--but it's a well tested, reliable tactic that works against most enemies. The only thing you need to bring to the table is gear and blessings to augment this.
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Looking at these, again, it seems likely that we'll eventually want to get all three of these. The Rangers we got for their usefulness in guerrilla warfare, the Vanguards we want for their synergy with our blessings. As for the Rifles, it seems likely that they'll have the same advantages as the Imperial Guard. IE, with a few months of training our surpluss population, we can throw out large numbers of fairly competent troops, without requiring the more intensive training of the Vanguards and Rangers.
 
notanautomaton said:
Looking at these, again, it seems likely that we'll eventually want to get all three of these. The Rangers we got for their usefulness in guerrilla warfare, the Vanguards we want for their synergy with our blessings. As for the Rifles, it seems likely that they'll have the same advantages as the Imperial Guard. IE, with a few months of training our surpluss population, we can throw out large numbers of fairly competent troops, without requiring the more intensive training of the Vanguards and Rangers.
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tbh we're kind of the perfect goddess to not need (or need to spend) heavy manpower on military matters.

On the defense we shouldn't be engaging in pillboxes, we should have forests that are deathtraps unto themselves controlled by people like the Belladonas are. Also being a playground for the Rangers (hell, that's how they were trained) against enemies and living encampments the vanguards can use.

Offensive is a bit less impressive, but things like the pikmin or something popping up behind enemy lines, vines and other horrible things growing through the ground into enemy encampments...

I get the point, and sure, but if we're ever just throwing out large numbers of fairly competent troops we're doing it wrong. Which kind of sounds like the idea you're trying to make here.
 
Alectai said:
The Governor shakes his head. "I gave him the excuse he needed to profit, and in doing so, we ensured that he did not take a one hundred percent tax. As it stands, we were in no risk."
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Alectai said:
He snapped his fingers. "Didn't used to be that way, your grandpa was good to us, ever since he passed on your own papa's been pushing us to the brink. If you're here doin' some of that there 'fomenting rebellion' business, you can count Surf in!"
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Alectai said:
[Governor Response: 57 + 30 (Encircled, Spreading like Wildfire, Armed): 87]
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It is allways sad to see those who given up hope. It seems like the Imperium has 2 general types of people, those who relish in absolute power and will destroy people for perceived slights, like the tax collector, and those who try to mantain the current order for fear of the consequences, which is the poor Governor. The poor guy is just trying to ensure his peoples survival, sadly, the tax collectors were probably gonna destroy them anyway for the 'crimes' of the grandfather, if they somehow survive the 'generous' offer of taking 70% instead of 100%
jwolfe_beta said:
After all Graycliff is all about herding and ranching so it wouldn't be right to leave them out on the biotech-shenanigans. And as the saying goes "Mess with the bull goat, you're gonna get the horns."
And the people from Surf are going to need some support as well or they'd feel left out.
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Pokemon are more photogenic, and friendly, also not bad in the lethality department.( Might take a while before we could hit that level...)


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DragonParadox said:
My bet would be pressure by the 'Omnesyah' himself in the form of religious revelation. No gate spewing daemons into the Imperial palace means the Golden Bastard can act much more freely
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Well, considering that they might be preparing for a rebellion, either he has lost his grip, or he decided the bloated Imperium desperatly needs some cleanup.
 
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Themarineguy said:
Pokemon are more photogenic, and friendly, also not bad in the lethality department.( Might take a while before we could hit that level...)
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Considering the sheer capabilities of Pokemon, they would have to be intentionally crafted psykers/daemonhosts at the very least.

Besides photogenicity is all in how you present a thing. Ugly cute is a thing after all. And friendly? Bah, just because they're multi-ton biological killing machines that can shrug off plasma shots and tear apart Leman Russ tanks doesn't mean they can't be mild as lambs off the battlefield.
 
undead frog said:
Same with a lot of Nintendo properties... ie Dreamland for instance has multiple residents capible of planet cracking.
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Yeah, I think the only exception to might be zelda, and that is more because they got the BS triforce that turns any close vs debate into either they wish the enemy away, or the enemy stops them from using it.....
Not sure about splatoon though......
 
Robotninja said:
The Shapers are absolutely right about every one of their rules on shaping.
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Particularly in the 'Don't give creations the ability to breed unless you are 200% sure they won't **** over the local ecosystems'. Followed by 'Don't do any Shaping unless you really know what you're doing; or you have even odds of creating a super-plague that we might not even be able to purge with fire'.
Robotninja said:
They are also horrible tyrants.
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Well when you decide to create a literal slave race that is basically in all respects human, you're kind of crossing a line.
 
Themarineguy said:
It is allways sad to see those who given up hope. It seems like the Imperium has 2 general types of people, those who relish in absolute power and will destroy people for perceived slights, like the tax collector, and those who try to mantain the current order for fear of the consequences, which is the poor Governor. The poor guy is just trying to ensure his peoples survival, sadly, the tax collectors were probably gonna destroy them anyway for the 'crimes' of the grandfather, if they somehow survive the 'generous' offer of taking 70% instead of 100%
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You are being more forgiving of the Governor than most of us, given that he deliberately engineered the situation where the Publicani took 70% of the food and all but threw the PDF to him for good measure since he explicitly wanted to genocide his own people while keeping the capital and only the capital safe
The reason for that being that he figured all the quality of life improvements were treason since they weren't giving literally everything to the Imperium, apparently the concept of long term investments are witchcraft to the man as he doesn't grok the concept that investing in the planets development should yield greater returns in the future

Even his one and only excuse where the Publicani technically has the power to get forcful and pillage them if they aren't careful falls a bit flat given that they are legally only obligated to pay 30% and he was the one who stepped forth with the plan to plunge the planet into famine instead
The Governor is ultimately a shortsighted, paranoid, coward, so scared of the idea of Inquisitors appearing overhead (which never would have actually happended by word of god) that he willingly tried to commit genocide on his own people
 
CrimsonOddball said:
You are being more forgiving of the Governor than most of us, given that he deliberately engineered the situation where the Publicani took 70% of the food and all but threw the PDF to him for good measure since he explicitly wanted to genocide his own people while keeping the capital and only the capital safe
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While the origonal plan of the tax collectors was, to put it lightly, kill the colony via taxation by leaving absolutely nothing to eat. Of course 70% wasn't any better, but that was probably chosen to get the Governor to go along and make the tax process easier and cheaper, even though it was highly unlikely for the colony to survive with that little.....
It seems like he is clinging on the hope that the tax collectors would not prefer his colony getting wiped out, though we know that is not the case...

Edit: between the Governor's words and what we know about the tax collectors, I suspect he is telling the truth about the original intended tax......
 
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We need orbital plant cannons then?

... tbh, Pikmin flak boarding parties is still one of the better ideas I have right now. Though a vine that acts as an EMP/Power drain is also up on there.

*Shrug*
 
Themarineguy said:
While the origonal plan of the tax collectors was, to put it lightly, kill the colony via taxation by leaving absolutely nothing to eat. Of course 70% wasn't any better, but that was probably chosen to get the Governor to go along and make the tax process easier and cheaper, even though it was highly unlikely for the colony to survive with that little.....
It seems like he is clinging on the hope that the tax collectors would not prefer his colony getting wiped out, though we know that is not the case...

Edit: between the Governor's words and what we know about the tax collectors, I suspect he is telling the truth about the original intended tax......
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The Governor stated, explicitly, that he, in so many words, told the taxman to go from 30% to 70% as soon as he took over from his father. He is the one who decided to go for the ruinous tax, not the Publicani.
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
The Governor stated, explicitly, that he, in so many words, told the taxman to go from 30% to 70% as soon as he took over from his father. He is the one who decided to go for the ruinous tax, not the Publicani.
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Alectai said:
The Governor took a sip. "Because I told them of course." He forestalls Dana's protest with a sharp gesture with his free hand. "Oh don't be so indignant child, it was only a matter of time before we came up on some routine audit and then found ourselves all executed for fomenting rebellion."
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Seems less that, and more he told them of what his precursor done, which bumped the tax by an absurd 'destroy you for the crime of not dedicating everything to make ourselves richer', and then negotiating it down from 100% to 70%( edit:by using the fact he revealed it personally), hoping he and the colony could ride it out, then be much more secure without the risk of them outright blowing them up for the crime of duplicity.....

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"The Planetary Auxilla remained strong, the capital city's defenses are strong, and we had enough to feed them for the next three years." The Governor explained. "More than enough to rebuild outwards, on a tax rate that wasn't playing with fire every time the Publicani came into town. Regardless of what that little cult may be spitting out." Oh how rude! "If I need to cut off 80% of the population to ensure the remainder survive, I will do it without hesitation. That is--in fact--my responsibility."
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The plan, while very bad was not likely to end up as a colony extinction event.....
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Particularly in the 'Don't give creations the ability to breed unless you are 200% sure they won't **** over the local ecosystems'. Followed by 'Don't do any Shaping unless you really know what you're doing; or you have even odds of creating a super-plague that we might not even be able to purge with fire'.
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Also, don't shape yourself because it makes you into a crazy maniac, don't create supermonsters and unleash them, and so forth.
CrimsonOddball said:
The reason for that being that he figured all the quality of life improvements were treason since they weren't giving literally everything to the Imperium, apparently the concept of long term investments are witchcraft to the man as he doesn't grok the concept that investing in the planets development should yield greater returns in the future
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Eh, his opinion of that is not what matters. What matters is what the Imperium thinks, and I can easily see them thinking that long term investment is a waste on fringe planets.
 
Robotninja said:
Eh, his opinion of that is not what matters. What matters is what the Imperium thinks, and I can easily see them thinking that long term investment is a waste on fringe planets.
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Alectai said:
"It's fomenting rebellion because We could be paying more and we aren't" Dana's father shoots back, still cool as a cucumber--it's a shame he can't see you giving him a raspberry. "You are correct that by a strict legal reading of the law, a 30% rate is what we are obligated to provide… However, the Publicani needs to make a profit too." He downs the last of his wine and sets the glass down. "30%? That's barely enough to pay his fuel costs after the Sector takes its due. All the while, he sees this podunk little colony growing stronger? How long until he simply decides to report us dead after looting us for all that we're worth?"
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And of course, you have the tax collectors who want their cut, corruption, the one bane of effective administration......
 
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