Their particular brand of mystery cult were against that.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Their particular brand of mystery cult were against that.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
On the whole "Should Mattie continue paying taxes thing" .... have you considered a better way to support the Grey Order instead?
The Grey Order doesn't need money, but you know who does? The Journeymen. Reminder that we started this quest so hard up for cash that we needed to embezzle money from the government to be able to pay our college dues, have any sort of standard of living, and do our job.
You know who needs our money a lot more then the Order does? The Journeymen struggling to pay their debts to the Grey Order. It even comes back around to helping the Grey Order anyway, it ensures they get their money when they might not have, and it makes things easier on it's members making it more likely the journeymen succeed and grow enough to become valuable long term members of the Grey Order.
The Grey Order doesn't need money, but you know who does? The Journeymen. Reminder that we started this quest so hard up for cash that we needed to embezzle money from the government to be able to pay our college dues, have any sort of standard of living, and do our job.
You know who needs our money a lot more then the Order does? The Journeymen struggling to pay their debts to the Grey Order. It even comes back around to helping the Grey Order anyway, it ensures they get their money when they might not have, and it makes things easier on it's members making it more likely the journeymen succeed and grow enough to become valuable long term members of the Grey Order.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
For Amethysts, it's been theorized that the act might draw away Shyish, the Wind of Death, or it's just the College itself wanting to keep their members from developing attachments to other people for various reasons. Whether some of said reasons involved in not wanting Amethyst Wizards from having families are about avoiding common temptations for Necromancy is something to be debated.
As for lights, considering how much the Old World's ideas of enlightenment and knowledge would be tied to monastic living and such, it's likely a similar reason of procreation not being an act conducive to Hysh, or the College just wants to avoid 'distractions'.
- Location
- Utrecht
idk about lights, but it makes quite some sense for Death.
- Location
- France
@Nerdasaurus Rex, using an Amber to question the ducks was a nice touch.
I had a completely different understanding of the rivalry between our colleges' spy networks, but I liked that idea a lot
I had a completely different understanding of the rivalry between our colleges' spy networks, but I liked that idea a lot
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Ar-Ulric
Cathay
Mathilde
A neat snippet. Horstmann's corkboard is likely to get ever more strings added as Mathilde starts doing her thing, this time with the Elves.
Thanks for the corrections, I'm really, really bad at spelling.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
My short response to this is that words that Boney writes are words that he isn't spending writing other things, and of all the things that could be written about in this quest that have been discussed, "trying to change the tithing culture of the Colleges" is super duper close to the bottom of my interest list. I think it produces more narratively interesting moments for Mathilde to make one-off donations when she hits a windfall and has a cool idea for how to use it, like we did with the Runesmith favor, than it does for 5% of our income to not make its way onto our character sheet.
(On which subject, "not having to give us quantities of money that divide easily into twenties for the sake of tithe math" makes life slightly easier on Boney, and small bookkeeping annoyances are the sorts of things that add up.)
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- Location
- Germany
Pretty sure that with the Journeyman-debt is intentional.
They are supposed to:
A: Pay off until they are ready for the Magister trial (I think there was a WoB that the debt can be suddenly raised if a journeyman has payed it off but the master thinks he shouldn't take the trial yet)
B: Learn to make money without breaking the Vow in any obvious fashion.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Aren't those reversed? On paper they might collaborate with an priests, but in practice it's probably going to be just Runesmiths (or so would an outsider think right now)?
That would sound less dramatic though, so no complaints.
Probably because this and many other quests are written from that perspective. So in wanting to provide Egrimm's viewpoint the way that Mathilde's is usually portrayed, you naturally gravitate to the same second person style.
And it actually works really well to convey an outside view on our beloved MC that's full of confusion and speculation, so cudos.
That's quite an inelegant tool then, seeing how 1%ers like Eike don't get any such pressure.
LMs get rewarded in College and other favor for that stuff, just like everyone else. Which also isn't taxed, just like for everyone else.
Fair enough.
I'll probably still vote for it if BoneyM doesn't say he'd rather I didn't. Doing a good but politically complicated deed that generates internal Grey College plot hooks sounds like something that's actually interesting to me, though I get how that is entirely subjective.
Would you be interested in joining the Omegahugger Gang? Using the Liber Mortis would:
(a) Be good*
(b) Be politically complicated
(c) Generate internal Grey College plot hooks, and also external Grey College plot hooks, and the other seven Colleges plot hooks, and Sigmarite plot hooks
- Location
- Norway
The charter says " Studies involving collaboration between the Colleges of Magic, and between the Colleges and divine miracle-workers, with a particular focus on working with Runesmiths."
The idea I think is to focus on runesmiths so that the sigmarites can't object too much, but to leave the option open to collaborate with others, like ice witches, damsels, and priests if any agree to it. So his description of it seems accurate to me.
As I understood it, "working with runesmiths" is the excuse being used to justify working with priests. The fact that the only priests we have access to right now are runesmiths simply helps sell the misdirection.
Thank you.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I've always been a moderate on that one. I'll not vote in favor of it just because, but it isn't a deal breaker for me if it fits the situation or gets me towards where I wanna go (cough*Dum*cough).
It's just that "fitting the situation" is a damn high bar when it comes to risking/tossing all of our connections to anyone Mathilde currently likes and all institutional support bases in favor of Unlimited Dark Power to Make Them Pay.
- Location
- Earth
It'd be a strong shift of the story's themes so far and would make it a tragedy. The entire interesting thing about it would be how big we'd manage to make the blast radius.
- Location
- Oklahoma
In order for it to be a genuine tragedy instead of a farce we'd need to actually have a reason to do it.
And no, bringing back someone who's been dead for 10 years doesn't cut it.
It'd need to be more of a 'K8P destroyed and everyone in it dead' kind of thing.
And no, bringing back someone who's been dead for 10 years doesn't cut it.
It'd need to be more of a 'K8P destroyed and everyone in it dead' kind of thing.
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- Location
- France
We have semi-serious Word of BoneyM that Black Magister Mathilde would try to turn a live volcano into a geothermal power source.
So probably a really big blast radius
Thing is the Colleges don't really really want to put a ton of pressure on the 1% (at least not due to privilege) because the 1% have connections that can put pressure on the Colleges in turn - especially since some of the 1% are already going to be relatively unhappy at having to go there in the first place. The 1% are still going to be on equal footing with the other apprentices on all the magic stuff and in intra-college advancement - the Colleges are as close to equality and meritocratic as it gets in a feudal society.
As for College Favour, Deeds and other such rewards - LMs are named after they've accumulated a boatload of stuff by being extremely badass and also exceedingly good at the magic stuff. LM is the extra recognition heaped on top of being one of the best magic users in the Empire, not the other way around.
Besides rewards can be donated; Mathilde basically paid Thorek in AV to build runed rooms across all the Colleges. The College doesn't need Mathilde's passive income; it needs her to keep doing heroic stuff or even enchanting items - there's not going to be a lot of wizards capable of enchanting battle magic and Mathilde has a unique custom spell that only she knows. The value of her labour literally can't be replicated with money even in something as relatively mundane as enchanting items.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Probably because this entire quest is also written in second person.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
This makes it all the more disappointing that we're unlikely to do this.We have semi-serious Word of BoneyM that Black Magister Mathilde would try to turn a live volcano into a geothermal power source.
So probably a really big blast radius
- Location
- France
Found the post in question:
BoneyM really makes evil sound like fun!
Keeping in mind that Mathilde is wealthy by the standards of individuals, but she barely registers on the organizational level. And she does already have an organization under her dominion that requires investment.
If we're so conflicted with having spare money, we can invest into the quality of life and security of cactus fief. A few small improvements, to add some mills or recruiting some low end craftsmen, or cutting decent roads through the place would wipe the spare money out quite quickly to tangibly improve the quality of life of people who are legally speaking, our responsibility.
If we're so conflicted with having spare money, we can invest into the quality of life and security of cactus fief. A few small improvements, to add some mills or recruiting some low end craftsmen, or cutting decent roads through the place would wipe the spare money out quite quickly to tangibly improve the quality of life of people who are legally speaking, our responsibility.