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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Mopman43 said:
That can actually be checked! Out of the (at this moment) 531 voters in the thread, 520 voted for at least one of the top four.
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With ~500 voters and each of the 4 votes having ~250 votes that implies that people have actually voted on average for 2 of the top 4 votes.
 
Wretch said:
With regards to side projects, we have been offered quite a lot of freedom- whatever it takes to get rid of the vampire menace. When we get rid of the current active vampires, I think we could split our time between making sure more don't rise and research. This is also where I think waystones come in- I am not saying this is a prerequisite for the project or anything, I just think it would be easier to negotiate if we have a title of some importance and waystones in land we own. I also like the narrative of literally cleaning up the place we were born and solving the necromancy problem by repairing the waystones. The best way for waystones, is, of course, to vote waystone, I just think Markgraf-> Waystone flows well narrative-wise.
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This argument keeps coming up, and each time the answer is the same: The only way to do waystone research is to make it our project. It is too involved to be a side project. You can not, as a previous voter phrased it, have your cake and eat it too.
 
lentil said:
This argument keeps coming up, and each time the answer is the same: The only way to do waystone research is to make it our project. It is too involved to be a side project. You can not, as a previous voter phrased it, have your cake and eat it too.
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I would not say that's the argument.

people (me anyways) are not arguing that we can do both at once.

what people are arguing is that we will have a lot of pull after being the Markgaf (or bodyguard) and might be able to just ''get given' waystones to play with.
 
Any benefit from doing something else is going to be fairly minimal towards waystones.
Like, we might have some minor bonusses to diplomacy rolls, might, but i doubt anything truly substantial.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I would not say that's the argument.

people (me anyways) are not arguing that we can do both at once.

what people are arguing is that we will have a lot of pull after being the Markgaf (or bodyguard) and might be able to just ''get given' waystones to play with.
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"We will do it next time" remains a very, very poor argument. There are way too many variables in play for anyone to predict what Mathilde chooses (or even will be able to) do after we deem Sylvania cleansed, so we can't reliably say that we'll actually be in a better position then. Like, for all we know by the time we're almost done there'll be reports of a new Everchosen coming and the thread goes into a frenzy trying to claim their head.

People who want to study Waystones should absolutely vote to study Waystones, it's the only way to do it.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I would not say that's the argument.

people (me anyways) are not arguing that we can do both at once.

what people are arguing is that we will have a lot of pull after being the Markgaf (or bodyguard) and might be able to just ''get given' waystones to play with.
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If you read the quoted post you'd see that's not the case, and the original post was arguing for eventually doing waystone research on the side to clean up Sylvania.

The argument you raised is an entirely separate argument that has also been refuted. I don't have the link to the specific quote by BoneyM, but it was something along the lines of "No job is going to have substantial benefits to waystone research that isn't waystone research."
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

Thought about it some more and realised I'm not actually very interested in the Markgraf option. I'd be okay with Waystones but it's not my first preference, thus the votes.
 
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LightLan said:
Vampires claim to be immortal.
Mathilde proved every single one she met wrong. :D
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Not really, no. Heidi is still aliveAlkharad made a very good point about how even if Mathilde herself never slips up and lets him return to life, it's just a matter of time before someone else does. Pure statistics at play.

Now, putting him in a Dwarf vault is about as close to certain as you can get, but the Dawi know from painful experience that their sanctums aren't perfect.
 
Omegahugger said:
Not really, no. Heidi is still aliveAlkharad made a very good point about how even if Mathilde herself never slips up and lets him return to life, it's just a matter of time before someone else does. Pure statistics at play.

Now, putting him in a Dwarf vault is about as close to certain as you can get, but the Dawi know from painful experience that their sanctums aren't perfect.
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Our vampire skull research chain isn't done yet. :V
 
Omegahugger said:
Not really, no. Heidi is still aliveAlkharad made a very good point about how even if Mathilde herself never slips up and lets him return to life, it's just a matter of time before someone else does. Pure statistics at play.

Now, putting him in a Dwarf vault is about as close to certain as you can get, but the Dawi know from painful experience that their sanctums aren't perfect.
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Hmm... given recent tales from Deathfang, I wonder if we could bribe some Star Dragons to fling dead vampires into the sun?
 
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland

I've been following this quest since, I think, its first or second week - and I certainly can't remember anything like this. I've never felt the need to vote before, as it seemed thread consensus was arrived at well before I managed to read the updates, but with the vote this close, I can't resist the temptation to participate as well.
 
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...I'm kind of coming around to "Boney should just roll a d4 if things stay this contested." Tiny leads don't seem like a meaningfully better way of making decisions that just taking the will of Ranald, when four options enjoy such comparable levels of support and none of them can muster a majority.

EDIT FROM THE FUTURE: Boney has vetoed this idea and I am no longer advocating it, post stays up for posterity.
 
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Omegahugger said:
Not really, no. Heidi is still aliveAlkharad made a very good point about how even if Mathilde herself never slips up and lets him return to life, it's just a matter of time before someone else does. Pure statistics at play.

Now, putting him in a Dwarf vault is about as close to certain as you can get, but the Dawi know from painful experience that their sanctums aren't perfect.
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We now know that dragons are space capable, so all we need to do is to convince some star dragon to once in every few decades to throw the vampire remains into space.

It worked against Kars.

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picklepikkl said:
...I'm kind of coming around to "Boney should just roll a d4 if things stay this contested." Tiny leads don't seem like a meaningfully better way of making decisions that just taking the will of Ranald, when four options enjoy such comparable levels of support and none of them can muster a majority.
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I mean, this thread operates under approval vote, so its not like most would complain whichever wins, as i suspect that there is a huge overlap of voters in the top 4 in various combinations of people voting for at least two of those. That said, if one of them wins, it should win, provided its not a tie.
 
lentil said:
If you read the quoted post you'd see that's not the case, and the original post was arguing for eventually doing waystone research on the side to clean up Sylvania.
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I strongly doubt that this theorized side research would ever emerge. A lot of the opposition to waystones is from the perspective of there being more immediate things to and that waystones would keep. If we're essentially running a province and facing issues like "stop the morrites and Sigmarites from arguing", "investigate count von suspicious", "lead an expedition to clear the Barrow" and other things of that nature, I strongly suspect Waystones would be pushed aside again and again.
 
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