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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Rafin said:
@BoneyM Could you chime in? I know that none of our projects and actions resulted in us having screen time with Loremaster Colleagues from other Holds, but could you give us a few random examples of current Loremasters from other Holds (old and new) that Mathilde would at least know their specialization about them? I'm thinking maybe one of the princes on Belegar's Council mentioning how it is back home, or Thorek talking about why he is or isn't Loremaster of Karak Azul or her having gotten curious about it in the various times she had dealings with Zhufbar or Barak Varr.
Anything to give us more insight than the current speculation based on only specific mentions of deficit for Belegar and the presented alternates for the Loremaster job back when we first chose it (who were Prince Gotri the radical Engineer and a certain Runesmith called Kraggi senior by the way, neither of them legalists).
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As general trends rather than who currently has the position:
Karaz-a-Karak has a master of Grudgelore, Karak Izor has an expert on inter-Clan and inter-Hold contracts, Karak Kadrin has an expert on Imperial law.
Zhufbar has an engineer, Barak Varr has a shipwright, Karak Norn has a Runesmith, Karaks Hirn and Azul have prospectors.

CeBrudras said:
What can still be feasibly done to alleviate the issue is vote trading. It runs the risk of turning the thread into a weird bazaar, however. (and I hope there isn't already some ban on it hidden away in the ~100 pages this vote has so far generated :V)
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There is now. No vote trading.
 
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Speaking as someone who thinks it's now unlikely Bodyguard will win and with a tie in Loremaster and Markgraf, and who doesn't really want to do Waystones, I'm really torn on which one I cut out my vote for tbh.
 
Kliden said:
Heck, I'm even a bit leery of how posters have been pinging others to help them strategically vote.
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For me that's just agency maximization. I do it even when it's not in my favor. Some voters voting strategically while others don't think about it enough to do so correctly, puts the latter at a disadvantage.
CeBrudras said:
That is a pretty pessimistic perspective. I personally would not hesitate to trust a fellow fan of this quest as long as the stakes are as low as they are in this situation.
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It's what I'd do. I severely dislike binding deals on future player behavior in a game.
To give an example if you know anything about Settlers of Catan: I'm completely fine with pushing 1:3 trades when in a favorable position or trading a resource just to steal it away again with action cards, but if someone goes "I'll give you this if you give me that some point later" or "I'll give you this if you don't build there in the future" then I'll clamp down verbally at first and boycott trade if necessary.
BoneyM said:
Karak Norn has an expert on inter-Clan and inter-Hold contracts,
Karak Norn has a Runesmith
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You mentioned Norn twice.
 
Darth. said:
Speaking as someone who thinks it's now unlikely Bodyguard will win and with a tie in Loremaster and Markgraf, and who doesn't really want to do Waystones, I'm really torn on which one I cut out my vote for tbh.
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At least it's pretty simple for me, since I'd be happy with either Markgraf or Bodyguard winning, which is why I voted for both. Though I won't lie, I have a tiny preference for Bodyguard.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Protector would be much better at supporting Bodyguard, Loremaster-At-Large, or Markgraf positions though.
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I'm not sure I agree about Loremaster-at-large, but it's definitely true for the others, especially Markgraf. Our favorite hugger made a great post about the possibilities to turbocharge the Dammerlichtreiter legend if we take that job, which I will admit is a big draw for me. My point wasn't "you can maximize the value of the Protector face with Waystones." If anyone is primarily motivated by Protector shenanigans, you should vote Markgraf. Just, if we do go Waystones, there's an obvious way to try to make the Nagarythe trip pay rent.
 
I voted for the Waystone project because not only would it help unclog, reconnect and reactivate waystones, thus helping everyone except beastmen and chaos, but it also put us into more regular contact with the Eonir. The role of Loremaster-at-large is involved here.

As the Eonir knows of the Worldroots, they would allow us to confirm wether or not the Beast-paths are in part or fully using dead Worldroots. If it is the case (or maybe even if it is not), then a second project, this time involving more than just the dwarfs and the Eonir, could be started to find a way to block those passages. The Empire, Bretonnia, Kislev, Tilea, Estalia and maybe even Athel Loren (if very unlikely) would be invested into participating because they all hate Beastmen.

This brings up the Ambassador-at-large job, because we would help with communications between factions and races. And it is needed, as shown by Mathilde being called by the Chancellor of the Seal to discuss the canals and Marienburg where he did not understand why canals were dugs if Karaz-a-Karak was uninterested in trade.

By getting other nations invested, we may also get them to be interested into helping into other projects or goals of the Karaz Ankor, or bring them closer together in the fight against the agents of Chaos. And that can be only a good thing.

By cutting off the Beast-paths, we limit the Beastmen's ability to travel afar, appear out of nowhere unseen and create greater herds by picking up dispersed small groups. The fact that part of the project would likely be to close the access points to Athel Loren is something many would appreciate. And if we could make it so that breaching the closed Beast-paths only leads to Athel Loren (or certain death if possible), then if the Skavens (who would be curious) breach those passages, then they get to deal with Athel Loren and most likely decides to leave that place alone.
 
You know, if we take the Bodyguard option, we can take the opportunity to build some rapport with the Eonir.
After all the Northland/Midderland conflict will be among the list of things in which we can earn favor for the future Emperor.
And even we don't get directly involved in that, we'll at the very least have some other task in Northland or Midderland that brings us close enough to them to visit.

Getting to know more than the one ambassador seems like a good idea, before going all in on the joined project.
 
So, in an effort to distract from the contentious vote, I had a passing idea while reading the discussion. @picklepikkl I got curious if your friend would have any interest in engaging in the juicy pastime of reader commentary? Learning about what they think of the Quest's pacing/narrative, what aspects of the Quest drew them in, perhaps some reactions of impactful moments, it would be fascinating as an insight into the opinion of a fresh-faced newcomer to SV and Questing culture.

Though please do not feel obligated to respond if you don't feel like it, @storyspoiler, I'm not trying to pick your brain or make you out as an exotic research subject or anything. :D
Just an idle thought that caught my attention after I recalled that Pickle recommended the Quest to you.
 
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Mopman43 said:
...do they? I don't see any reason to assume they do.
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Ehh, their magical tradition diverged from Ulthuan's a very long time ago, they don't have the White tower collecting stuff.

So they could have lost some knowledge, but also have knowledge that fell beyond relevance and notice of Saphery: The old world is after all a different beast than Ulthuan. Case in point, openness to Ulric.
 
IronFist said:
Ehh, their magical tradition diverged from Ulthuan's a very long time ago, they don't have the White tower collecting stuff.

So they could have lost some knowledge, but also have knowledge that fell beyond relevance and notice of Saphery: The old world is after all a different beast than Ulthuan. Case in point, openness to Ulric.
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I mean, I'm not sure anyone knows a ton about the Worldroots apart from the Asrai.
 
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred

Didn't expect this to be so close, guess I'll throw an approval vote towards my second favourite of the top four.
 
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