While I agree - that kinda is the type of situation that might lead to changes in character, you know?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Czech Republic
If he had serious problem keeping secrets wouldt him knowing about Skaven already be problem ?
I think that most people read in conspiracy of silence don't even know why the conspiracy exists in the first place.
- Location
- Oklahoma
He already knew about the Skaven, Mathilde just told him why they were supposed to be a secret.
I don't see how that could be an issue.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
LOL, even the characters are noticing her hobby of building bases.
I quite like this guy.
Also, Belegar and Mathilde are adorable.
Personally, I'm honestly expecting that whatever way BoneyM takes us, I'll likely enjoy it.
I want Swamp Town, but mostly under the diplomacy option so if it's not sure how it'll turn out I won't commit.
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Just woke up and I am very pleased at the increase of support for the Bodyguard option while I was asleep.
Maybe I should just sleep the whole vote away?
Maybe I should just sleep the whole vote away?
- Location
- Canada
Wow, that was quite a read. Of the things I voted for:
Swamp Town option gave me exactly what I wanted out of it: an explanation of WTF was going on over there that merited a Lady Magister getting sent the invitation. Turns out they all get sent that form letter. Not going to vote for it, but it completely answered the question, "Seriously, though: Why?!" It would be fun, but not as important as all the future-proofing we could be doing over here instead.
Marksgraf sounds good. Sylvania is still in a terrible state. Would be an extraordinary achievement to actually bring it some measure of prosperity, or at the bare minimum, functionality.
Waystones, I think I'll pass on for now. Very big project, and would be slow to build momentum. No need to rush it while there are more immediate things.
Loremaster-at-Large I wasn't expecting to like, but this jumped WAY up in things I would enjoy doing/reading. Combination diplomacy/buttkicking is one of Mathilde's strengths. And it does one of things Belegar finds most useful at the moment in Eight Peaks: applying the maximum amount of Mathilde to a problem with a minimum expenditure of dwarfpower (and a moderate amount of money thrown at it, what with him being fabulously wealthy these days).
He seems to be under a lot less stress than I'd thought, too. Or maybe he's just really happy to forge further ties with other Dwarfholds.
Swamp Town option gave me exactly what I wanted out of it: an explanation of WTF was going on over there that merited a Lady Magister getting sent the invitation. Turns out they all get sent that form letter. Not going to vote for it, but it completely answered the question, "Seriously, though: Why?!" It would be fun, but not as important as all the future-proofing we could be doing over here instead.
Marksgraf sounds good. Sylvania is still in a terrible state. Would be an extraordinary achievement to actually bring it some measure of prosperity, or at the bare minimum, functionality.
Waystones, I think I'll pass on for now. Very big project, and would be slow to build momentum. No need to rush it while there are more immediate things.
Loremaster-at-Large I wasn't expecting to like, but this jumped WAY up in things I would enjoy doing/reading. Combination diplomacy/buttkicking is one of Mathilde's strengths. And it does one of things Belegar finds most useful at the moment in Eight Peaks: applying the maximum amount of Mathilde to a problem with a minimum expenditure of dwarfpower (and a moderate amount of money thrown at it, what with him being fabulously wealthy these days).
He seems to be under a lot less stress than I'd thought, too. Or maybe he's just really happy to forge further ties with other Dwarfholds.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
The moratorium's still on for another 13 hours.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Only if you're willing to take an elephant's worth of tranquilizers. Most recent votes seem to go on for a good couple of days, and this one is downright massive. We already have a twenty four hour moratorium after all.Just woke up and I am very pleased at the increase of support for the Bodyguard option while I was asleep.
Maybe I should just sleep the whole vote away?
that pause...
poor fuckers are already building that reputation for bad luck, aren't they.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
They've had that reputation for over a thousand years by now.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Pretty sure they've had it since the Crusades where they were cursed in the first place.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Could you WHF nerds post a rundown of who these folks you're cringing at are for those of us in the back?
Actually, a "who's who" of all those orders mentioned would be nice. Boney already explained the Order of the Stone Wall, and someone else explained the Longshanks, but I don't know any of the others except, of course, the Black Guard and the Holy Order of the Templars of Sigmar.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Knightly order dedicated to Verena. Insanely terrible luck- like, they've had to move chapter-houses do to losing the old ones to earthquakes and meteor strikes.
Said to have been cursed when they slaughtered an innocent village in the crusade.
Renowned for tremendous heroism, in-between dying from choking on food and falling down stairs.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
We already know how to do that and he knows we know.
It would be one way to get an immortal heir with Ulgu powers if we ourselves can't be immortal. Make it a citizen of the Empire, give it an Ulgu education, let it inherit all of our things, definitely would make for a greatly intersting NPC in the next quest.
Just think a moment on who the most prominent Wizard in his city is. The one he has probably interacted the most with. Creepy magic stuff is exactly what he is used to and he'll probably find the lack of obvious creepiness in our vicinity weird. Like, "Lots of mist everywhere and your shadow acts weirdly? Is that all? And your tower just looks like a Dwarven tower, where the hell are the spikes and the creeping feeling of imminent death?"
Do you think Teclis specifically told all other seven Colleges that they should make sure eighth should have far fewer rights than them? That's a Grey College internal rule. They made it up themselves. It exists to make sure that their newly trained Wizards don't get any ideas on how to use and abuse their powers. No one but them enforces it, except when they ask for backup from other Wizards to catch a Rogue.
I still have a hard time understanding how an Order of Dwarven Witch Hunters would operate in a Human polity, let alone what the point of Dwarven Witch Hunters even is beyond having a squad/throng of warriors that are good at beating mages of other races to pulp during battle.
- Location
- Earth
My take on a character stats based table:
1 Based on whether it's the learning slot or not, amount of projected free time, expectations of research loot, possible topics, etc
High - It is a major prerequisite.
Moderate - It will be relevant, but there are bigger issues.
Minimal - It could become relevant, but it's not the main focus.
Varied - Could be any of the above depending on the circumstances.
| Job Option | Enemy Threat (Martial) | Diplomatic/Political Issues (Diplomacy) | Is there Intrigue? (Intrigue) | Research Potential1 (Learning) | Is Ranald Amused? (Piety) | Money Management (Stewardship) |
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| Loremaster Sinecure | Minimal - Black Crag Greenskins | Minimal - Belegar/Thorgrim Tensions | Minimal | High | Minimal | Minimal |
| Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks | Varied - Karaz Ankor Threats | High - Karak Eight Peaks Diplomatic Outreach | Varied - Karaz Ankor Shenanigans | Moderate | Minimal | Minimal |
| The Waystone Project | Minimal | High - Interorganizational Cooperation | Minimal | High | Minimal | Moderate - Secure Funding |
| Markgraf of Eastern Stirland | High - Vampires/Necromancers | Moderate - Sylvanian Integration | High - Rooting out Necromancers/Vampires | Moderate - Vampire Loot | Moderate - Sylvanian Integration | Moderate - Develop Sylvania |
| Count of Sylvania | Moderate - Vampires/Necromancers | Moderate - Sylvanian Integration | High - Rooting out Necromancers/Vampires | Moderate - Vampire Loot | Moderate - Sylvanian Integration | Moderate - Develop Sylvanian County |
| Spymaster of Wissenland | High - Skaven | Minimal - Conspiracy of Silence | High - Anti-Skaven Operations | Moderate - Skaven Loot | Minimal - Elf Gods | Minimal |
| Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor | Minimal | High - Empire/Karaz-Ankor Diplomacy | Moderate - Title Drop. | Minimal | Minimal | Minimal |
| Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred | Varied - Empire Threats | High - Intra-Empire Affairs | High - Heidi Shenanigans | Varied | Moderate - Heidi Schemes | Minimal |
| Governor-General of Swamp Town | High - Lizardmen/Vampires/Pirates | High - Lustrian Affairs | Moderate - Lots of Enemies | Moderate - Lustria Loot | Moderate - Statebuilding | Moderate - Statebuilding |
| Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev | Varied - Kislev Threats | High - Kislevite Affairs | Moderate - Ranald | Varied | High | Minimal |
| Border Princess of the Howling River | Moderate - Greenskins/Bandits | High - Statebuilding | Moderate - Marienburg Funded Pirates, Statebuilding | Minimal | Moderate - Statebuilding | High - Statebuilding |
| Nagarythe | High - Druchii | Minimal - Impressing Elves | High - Druchii | Minimal | Minimal - Elven Gods | Minimal |
| Research Sabbatical | Minimal | Minimal | Minimal | High | Moderate | Minimal |
High - It is a major prerequisite.
Moderate - It will be relevant, but there are bigger issues.
Minimal - It could become relevant, but it's not the main focus.
Varied - Could be any of the above depending on the circumstances.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Order of Everlasting Light pissed off a god a thousand years ago and got themselves cursed to die in inglorious and ignoble ways.
They have a ridiculous number of strange, random, embarrassing, and stupid deaths. Like... they could charge into battle and a crack would open right in the way of their charge, sending them all to their deaths. And the enemy have absolutely no spellcasters of any kind.
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Alright, from the top down. The Knights of the Everlasting Light are a knightly order in the Empire devoted to Verena. They fight fearlessly, they fight in the name of justice wherever they go... and they are famous for being cursed. You see, back about a thousand years ago, Bretonnia, the Empire, Estalia and Tilea embarked on a crusade against Araby after they had invaded Estalia. During this crusade, the Knights of the Everlasting Light went through a village, and killed everyone there. For doing so, they were cursed to forevermore die in ignominious manners. There's many an account of the Knights fighting insurmountable odds, surviving, and then going to shortly thereafter die from tripping down the stairs, choking on food, having their horses trip while on a casual ride and other such embarrassing deaths.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
@picklepikkl would you like to hear about the Knights of the Blazing Sun?
EDIT: Why is this being marked as Funny?
EDIT: Why is this being marked as Funny?
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
...Can Magisters be non-human? It doesn't seem like something they would bother to specify, and it might be funny if, in a few decades or so, we ended up with a dragon as Supreme Patriarch/Matriarch.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Boney has said halfling wizards exist. Only requirement is swearing to serve the Empire.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
I'm fairly certain that to become a Magister, one would first have to complete their apprenticeship and Journeying. I don't know how much luck you would have with getting a dragon to learn humility through menial chores like everyone else on the curriculum.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Apparently Halfling Wizards are very rare but do exist. And Ogres could exist, if they were interested and trusted enough on an individual basis, which hasn't happened yet.
Doesn't that depend at least partially on parenting? Or do you think their arrogance is instinctive?
- Location
- Somewhere.
So apparently I'm rereading this and doing a typo hunt.
Okay, now back to the present.
As far as votes: I don't think I want to go near Heidi's offer with a ten-foot pole, to be honest, for many of the same reasons other people don't. Wish we could've gotten info on being Ranald's High Priest in Kislev, but I feel like that's still not our relationship. We're not a priest, we're a champion. We go out and hit things. We don't really minister to the faithful.
Loremaster at Large appeals to me somewhat, enough that I think I might vote for it. Markgraf of "Eastern Stirland", similarly.
However, there's a whole bunch of stuff already on the ground to take care of vampires and weird stuff. The ability to take care of Skaven...I don't know whether it's just my not knowing any WHF lore but what's been laid out here, or if there's just really not any similar assets, but I get the feeling that there really aren't high-quality anti-Skaven assets available for this. And there is that warning from the Celestial Matriarch.
That said, I still find the Waystone project really interesting. I want to poke the magic rocks. And get Kragg that seviroscope already.
waste -> waist
reimbursement -> reimbursed
you're -> your
their -> there
wear -> where
Missing a "that" before "takes up".
missing a "few" before "holy icons".
Missing capitalization on "Sigmar".
This is the one (well, if there are more I don't know of them) case where apostrophe-s isn't a possessive - "it's" -> "its"
"who's" -> "whose" (for the same reason)
I think this should be "shamans'", plural.
"it's" -> "its"
"who's" -> "whose"
"it's"->"its"
This is a sentence fragment.
"who's"->"whose"
I would say "that which it has been given" but I can't say it's wrong to say this.
"Underways" -> "Underway's"
"its" -> "it's". It's is "it is", its is "belonging to it". It's only pronouns that have this particular weirdness, but they do.
"build" -> "built"
...Just find/replace "Swarvern" with "Dwarven".
Should this be "Familiar Obsession"?
"the combination is"
"up a mountain-length"
That last bit...seems like it's missing a word somewhere. That, or it has too many.
This is a run-on sentence.
"traffics" -> "traffic"
"it's" -> "its"
"suiters" -> "suitors"
"find" -> "finding"
"Princesses" -> "Princess'"
"borrows" -> "borrowed", I think.
"hold" -> "holding"
....Not a correction, but can I just say I love how the dwarfy metaphors just creep into the narration over time?
"it's" -> "its"
I think this should be "ego" -> "egos".
Either remove the "a" or depluralize "battlefields".
...I don't know why I think this but I keep thinking that Reicthard needs another 'h' to be Reichthard.
"Suns" -> "Sun's"
"who's" -> "whose"
"number" -> "numbers"
"Moudler" -> "Moulder"
"intrigue that" -> "intrigue than"
I think this should probably be "so as long as you", not just "so as you"
"A this point" -> "At this point,"
"peaks" -> "peeks"
...I'm not going to say anything is inherently wrong with this sentence, but it kind of stands out in a bad way.
Remove the comma after "Say".
I think this should be "long-wished-for" or "longed-for".
"until abrupty cutting off" -> "until they abruptly cut off"
first off, "discretely" -> "discreetly" and "attendents" -> "attendants". second off, i'd consider restructuring the sentence - something like "noting as you do that the handful of attendants that the Sacred Flame always has have been reinforced, with an even score of White Wolves filing discreetly into the courtyard", but I can't say that I have a strong reason to do this other than "as it is it feels clunky".
remove "been"
This isn't wrong but it is repetitive - consider changing "so you go" to "and you go"?
"exhilerating" -> "exhilarating"
"had been a back" -> "had been back"
"had" -> "having"
"gifted the Kislev's" -> "gifted Kislev's"
First off, you used the wrong it(')s. Second off, wouldn't it be better to use "they"?
"curiousity" -> "curiosity"
"can't make worse" -> "can't make it worse"
"Forwarned" -> "Forewarned"
"them -> "then"
"have any clearly" -> "have been any more clearly" or "have been more clearly"
"have pigeonhole" -> "have a pigeonhole"
"think very much they would" -> "think they very much would"
Okay, now back to the present.
Nah, he's been read in on what it is, nobody explained to him why it is in language plain enough for him to understand, I think.
As far as votes: I don't think I want to go near Heidi's offer with a ten-foot pole, to be honest, for many of the same reasons other people don't. Wish we could've gotten info on being Ranald's High Priest in Kislev, but I feel like that's still not our relationship. We're not a priest, we're a champion. We go out and hit things. We don't really minister to the faithful.
Loremaster at Large appeals to me somewhat, enough that I think I might vote for it. Markgraf of "Eastern Stirland", similarly.
However, there's a whole bunch of stuff already on the ground to take care of vampires and weird stuff. The ability to take care of Skaven...I don't know whether it's just my not knowing any WHF lore but what's been laid out here, or if there's just really not any similar assets, but I get the feeling that there really aren't high-quality anti-Skaven assets available for this. And there is that warning from the Celestial Matriarch.
That said, I still find the Waystone project really interesting. I want to poke the magic rocks. And get Kragg that seviroscope already.
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The Dreamwalkers: Morr Hunters of Undead and Necromancers, their big thing is that they don't really 'hunt' so much as interpret vision in the right direction.
The Priory of the Spear: a Myrmidian order of Vampire Hunters with dual locations in Monte Negro and Siegfriedhof, the latter of which is now the Abbey of Blessed Aethelbert the Vigilant.
Fellowship of the Shroud: Also Morr Vampire hunters: politics with the other Morr hunters and the cult in general means that they dont work well with the rest.
Helhunten's Redeemers: technically a Sigmar group, but really they are ex-soldiers all any background group looking for payback.
Andanti: Morr cult, and I mean CULT: secretive Vampire hunters who consider themselves chosen by Morr to be his holy warriors. Membership can be passed on through either sons or daughters, and there is only one Andanti per generation (think Buffy or Castlevania) really scary fighters and know things other hunters dont.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
So... Fantasy's version of Lamenters?