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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Rafin said:
What do you hope to gain from investigating the Waystone job? Personally, I hope for putting an Eonir and a Dwarf in a room and seeing whether we can work with that. And also having Algard refer us to a Jade Waystone expert willing to work with us.
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Well we do need to look into grudges against the Eonir in particular.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
The Old ones didn't make the Waystones, they left before/as the Polar Gates broke and Chaos started pouring in, which was what the Waystones were created to deal with. It was the Elves and the Dwarves, in partnership.
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the elfs and dwarfs co-opted Geomantic Web into the waystone project with the Slanns tacked permission (and a bit of lasering it into their minds).

at least that's what boney said is quest canon (if I remember right.)

the waystone is three layers:

Dwarf runes (top layer)

Elf magic (Middle layer)

Old one tech (bottom layer.)
 
So just a random, but what if the reason Heidi wants us to be Mandred's tutor is that he's a wizard?

He's extremely well protected and in one of the most secure locations in the Empire so it's not like we'll need to protect him that much.

Heidi also would have access to a better tutor than us, and why would she offer us the chance to mold Mandred when she could do it alone?

However, if he was a Wizard then it'd be extremely problematic for her since Mandred would have to go to the Colleges and that would be extremely bad for Mandred's political future.

So she needs someone she can trust enough to not reveal it but also someone who can teach him how to not kill himself with Magic, even when learning outside the Colleges, and we're probably the only person who meets those requirements.
 
Not totally sure why Swamp Town is currently over Border Princes, but it probably has to do with the Lizardmen.

Yeah, it must be that.
 
TempestK said:
Think Teclis may actually show up at some point to find out how the hell the Umgi saw what he didn't?
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TECLIS: I'll put that in my research backlog.

(200 years later)

TECLIS: Now at last to investigate- what do you mean "she's dead"??!!

Retrueno said:
So just a random, but what if the reason Heidi wants us to be Mandred's tutor is that he's a wizard?
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It would be super unlikely for his talent to have manifested this early in life. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

Tomcost said:
Not totally sure why Swamp Town is currently over Border Princes, but it probably has to do with the Lizardmen.
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Remember it's not a vote for what we're doing but for what we're investigating. People are super curious why Mathilde would have been given such an invitation and want to learn what it's all about, even if they have no intention of actually taking the job.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Nagarythe
 
I feel like the only way we're meeting Teclis any time soon is if we meet him in Ulthuan.

Maybe sending him word of the project we've been invited to join by the Eonir might be enough to gain his attention for atleast one meeting.
 
Lonkas said:
We've dealt with the present level of chaos pervasiveness for nearly 200 years with no real major changes to the status quo. Yes, we have less margin for error than we used to but unless a massive destabilising event happens. (Which with 8 peaks and Vlag restored is the opposite of what's been happening.) We have no reason things will get worse than they presently are.
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Alternatively, a change in the tides will mean that Chaos expends additional resources, assuming that they need to reverse matters in the near future lest this become a trend in the wrong direction.
soul ice said:
we can also use the research to do things like using our skaven magical engineering library to try to create human lighting guns or magical steam tanks. Just making other uses of the principles we study for it will be useful and fun.
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These things are really far outside of Mathilde's purview and likely won't be projects we pursue. Also, everything complex the Skaven employ requires warpstone.
 
DragonParadox said:
I think it is worth keeping in mind we are not the only Grey LM in the empire. If Nuln is about to fall into a giant pit of rats or something someone who is not us will act. Personally I just don't feel like retreading he whole Skaven arc out of abstract attachment to a place we have never seen on screen in the quest.
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I also wonder, and forgive me if the thread covered this already .... can we actually deal with that?

Like, we are definitely great for defense against Skaven and distracting them hard, sabotage and info gathering as well obviously, but would we be able to eliminate them from under Nuln without messing with the whole "the Empire pretends Skaven don't exist and so Skaven don't mess with them as hard as they would otherwise" deal? The Empire only got away with eliminating the other hold because of the Civil War after all, and it looks like there's a chance the Civil War is over.

Deathbybunnies said:
The Old ones didn't make the Waystones, they left before/as the Polar Gates broke and Chaos started pouring in, which was what the Waystones were created to deal with. It was the Elves and the Dwarves, in partnership.
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The Elves created the Waystones, and then they partnered with the Dwarves to expand the Waystone network.

The Dwarves are important there and did work with the Elves on it, but credit for the original creation does go to the Elves.

NavySeel said:
Well we do need to look into grudges against the Eonir in particular.
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I think Belegar is already doing this, we just haven't received word back on his finding yet.

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This is exactly the sort of thing he would have had a more traditional Loremaster take care of, isn't it?
 
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picklepikkl said:
Both. For me personally, there is a specific topic I am extremely interested in (Divine magic); I'm not particularly interested in tongs or such, but I know that there are other people who are just as eager to delve into those actions as I am to delve into the ones I'm excited for, so in the interest of thread harmony it would be nice if everyone got what they wanted.

Also in the interest of thread harmony, an advantage of getting to a point where our backlog is significantly shorter is that people can be more excited about new stuff we loot or discover, instead of just seeing it as competition for the stuff they've been interested in for a long time that we've never gotten to.
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Yeah, I think it's very fortunate how the project the threads seems most interested about-Waystones - will keep just fine.

Honestly, even a single year of "resting" or "getting our affairs in order" would be downright healthy for the thread.
- Finish AV and finally write the book on it.
- Finally test out tongs to see if it's a dead end or not.
- Attempt to capture an apparition and hopefully make use of it.

That's the Big 3 for research, IMO. The first two have been around for a long time, the last one we traded a lot of skaven tech and the corresponding manual for, and could come in useful in many enchanting projects. They are big, potentially game changing and are never getting done under normal workloads

I'd also like to try and finish the Sword Style with the fresh field test against a Greater Daemon and the Champion of Khorne. These should be a great source of insight, and if we fail we can just try again later so it's a good action to true while venting the overwork.
 
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[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
that's my feeling about it as well, yes its important, but its also something we could poke at every once in awhile as a side action until we get a concrete lead.

if we had actually looked into it and found something we can use to jump-start a full research plan (with equipment, elfs and runesmiths) I would be interested in dedicating to it fully.

but at the moment, the plan will be 'find waystones people won't miss or ask questions about.' and 'make sure no one would look at this suspsious research station in the middle of no-where.

and in that sense, Sylvania and the border princes are the best choices. (they are my Waystones, I can do what I want with them.)
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I'm not sure I understand the insistence that the best way to research waystones is to not take the job researching waystones.

There are a lot of assumptions here about what Mathilde's research plan would be. I don't know why you think she would default to poking random waystones when we have interested parties specifically asking for help restarting some of their broken waystones, which is both a practical goal and a good start to understanding how waystones work. Also, BoneyM has specifically stated that waystone research is a job by itself, not a side project.
 
Afforess said:
I want to find out the identity of our predecessor spymaster in Stirland. That's in the backlog, right? :V
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Obviously they're our time-traveling future nemesis, a la meme!Reverse Flash, and they've been minorly inconveniencing us at every turn

"Remember when you pulled on a torch sconce and it came out of the wall? That was me, Mathilde, I loosened it so you'd feel dumb!"
 
HeWhoAdds said:
Obviously they're our time-traveling future nemesis, a la meme!Reverse Flash, and they've been minorly inconveniencing us at every turn

"Remember when you pulled on a torch sconce and it came out of the wall? That was me, Mathilde, I loosened it so you'd feel dumb!"
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Their doing a real bad job of ruining our life then.

#PraiseRanald

It's the Mirror Snake all over again.
 
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town

Here's the ones I'm most interested in learning more about. Even if the result is already a foregone conclusion
 
[X] The Waystone Project

This seems like the best option in my opinion. Huge lore gains and a mega project ending with the opportunity to travel around on adventures with dwarves, elves, and whoever else lives near the way stones at the time.
We'll be doing lots of magic, lots of diplomacy, lots of adventuring... It just sounds like incredibly great fun to me.

[X] Border Princess of the Howling River

Ehh. Tbh compared to the Waystone Project this feels weak. But I can see us having fun taking the reins for once. We could put into practice what we've learnt from working with King Belegar and that count of Sylvania (I'll be honest, the start of the quest feels very far away, I basically just think of this as a dwarf quest now, and I love it.), and try setting something up.

I'd guess we might become part of the empire? But the dwarfs might prefer us to be more independent if that suits them, so we might be dealing with a mess. Tbh it's only he proximity to dwarves which makes me consider this one.
The dwarf ambassador position seems like its more likely to just suck us into Imperial Politics, while this position might also guarantee some politics, well have roots right next to the dwarves.
 
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] The Waystone Project
 
Briefvoice said:
One thing about the Waystone project is that it can probably wait a decade. We're talking about elves and dwarves after all. If we want to do another project and come back when Mathilde is in her forties or fifties and has even more knowledge and experience with magical objects and enchanting, that'll actually be fine. The Waystones aren't going anywhere and the need is persistent but not urgent.
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I agree with you IC. The waystones wont move (I hope) or explode (I really hope) and it may even be more narrative welcome have a older Mathield make it a last project.
Usually its reccomended to go for IC choices, but thats mostly for meta.
Sometimes OOC reasons are valid, specifically in votes such as this, which the main motivation is fun.
10 yrs in quest are 20 turns... thats a lot of real time passed, some of us want to get into waystones right now.
I know you didnt said 10 yrs especially but my point is that waiting isn't just a Mathilde thing. Its a thread thing as well.
 
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