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That indicates to him that it's a runic crown that has beneficial qualities for the wearer. It's quite a leap from there to Bok's control terminal.
Wrong way to think about it. A crown isn't a symbol of authority because it mind-controls people. It is a symbol of authority because people recognise it and know what it means.
Given Bok's apparent purpose and function it is not unreasonable to assume he was programmed to respond to the Crown of Eight Peaks. In much the same way a random Dwarf warrior who didn't know the king would be expected to respond to a Dwarf in a crown.

That said Belegar is busy, Kragg is secretive and both are very patient. I can well see them considering it plausible but not enough of a priority to test at present.
 
The straightforward conclusion is that the crown of Karak Eight Peaks only bestows its gifts upon one that actually rules Karak Eight Peaks, so it could only be reassembled once the Karak was retaken. That's the sort of countermeasure against ill-use that Dwarves would be very in favour of.
...You're not wrong, but that it can detect the status of Karak Eight Peaks is minor evidence in favor of it having some way to affect the workings of Karak Eight Peaks.

oh gods I'm arguing with the QM. Why am I doing this. (Please let me know if you would like me to stop.)
 
Even if it is that simple - being able to command Bok is not the same as understanding Bok, it just means that we can use it as an information source and a defender. Perhaps it will display an access panel where it physically manifests its runes, or lead us to one in one of the Karags, but even that would only be step 2 in understanding it.
I was thinking what might happen is Belegar asks Bok, and Bok displays on his little tablet "Karak Eight Peaks needs an officially-acknowledged/appointed Runelord" or something. Or something. Maybe just "The King needs to give permission to a Runelord", and we don't have to worry about whether Kragg "is of Karaz-a-Karak" or "is of Karak Eight Peaks" and all that matters is 1. is a Runelord and 2. acting on the King's orders/permissions.

I think part of the problem may be that Kragg is a one thousand five hundred year old literal living fossil, and most Dwarfs (even Kings) are intimidated by him. And also, he's Karaz-a-Karak's Runelord. Belegar may not have wanted to press him on something delicate or chancy or potentially political or religious or whatever.

Basically, I'm thinking Belegar's approach was along the lines of: "Let the ancient Runelord do ancient Runelord things, and not bother him unless I need Rune magic or need a runesmithed item or need Rune-related consultation."

He might go to him for stuff like "So, Kragg, what do you got for Huge Fuckoff Dragons?" but not for something like "So, can I help you with your research?"

Whereas Mathilde is absolutely the sort of person to poke at Kragg and Bok, or to consider herself to be on casual or casual speaking terms with Kragg and Belegar.
 
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...You're not wrong, but that it can detect the status of Karak Eight Peaks is minor evidence in favor of it having some way to affect the workings of Karak Eight Peaks.

Those sorts of links are very easy to make when you're working backwards from the correct answer, but I'm going to need you to take my word for it when I say it's not so obvious to Belegar, who has not read the threadmark A Tide Turns.
 
All else aside, all this talk of networks and interfaces and programming is going to be a hell of a lot less intuitive to someone living in the Fantasy 1500's than it is to you sitting at your computer pulling up this quest on the internet.

It's a necessary aspect of this setting that a ton of the things we now find obvious in retrospect wouldn't occur to the characters, even very intelligent and educated characters. They don't even have movable type yet, for crying out loud.
 
While we're talking about the crown, I don't suppose we have the stats for it, for those of us who are into that sort of thing?

We have stats for the Ironhammer and the Shield of Defiance from the tabletop, but of course the Crown is something else entirely.

EDIT: Maybe we could sweet-talk Belebro into a research action... Wait, no nevermind. Runes, guild secrets, etcetera.
 
All else aside, all this talk of networks and interfaces and programming is going to be a hell of a lot less intuitive to someone living in the Fantasy 1500's than it is to you sitting at your computer pulling up this quest on the internet.

It's a necessary aspect of this setting that a ton of the things we now find obvious in retrospect wouldn't occur to the characters, even very intelligent and educated characters. They don't even have movable type yet, for crying out loud.
Except for Thorgrim, mind you, who's playing a 4x game on the Rune of Eternity.
 
All else aside, all this talk of networks and interfaces and programming is going to be a hell of a lot less intuitive to someone living in the Fantasy 1500's than it is to you sitting at your computer pulling up this quest on the internet.

This is a very good point too. If you said the word 'computer' to Mathilde, she'd think you were talking about people who perform mathematical calculations as a profession, and say that she's pretty sure Wilhelmina would have one or two on the payroll.
 
And to add on to that, is the social and cultural side too.

Was I roughly right when I speculated that Belegar's rough approach/perspective towards Kragg is "This is our living ancestor of our people. And known for being utterly dour and grim and hard to talk to. I'll bother him if I need solutions to a dragon problem, an incoming Waaagh again, or if somebody finds a lost runeaxe, and not at all otherwise and simply be glad for his sheer existence and anything he deigns to do." or something?

Maybe he talked to him if he knew anything about the runes on his Crown, but... I dunno. Kragg might not have had much to say about it. Or, it might have been seen as a Clan Angrund secret or private business, so...

Maybe he even did ask him about Waystones and henges, but -- what would Kragg have said? How much could he have said? We literally do not know how much Kragg knows on this topic; it might be a lot, it might be nothing, it might be a lot but totally sworn to secrecy/privacy!
 
It's also unlikely to actually be the case - Bok was almost certainly a pet project of some Runelord/Archmage combo, and neither of those two groups are particularly fond of sharing secrets (such as read/write access to Bok's permissions list) nor of secular authorities butting in on Guild/Cult affairs.

Like, why on earth would some Runelord (a group notably touchy about who is or is not recognized as a Runelord) allow for a scenario where the King/Heir tells Bok to treat someone as a Runelord who is unworthy of such.

I'd buy Bok recognizing that the bearer of the crown was the King and treating them as such, but arbitrarily declaring someone a Runelord (or Archmage) is not actually something a King can do so it makes no sense that that's something Belegar (or Belegar's presence) can do.
 
It's also unlikely to actually be the case - Bok was almost certainly a pet project of some Runelord/Archmage combo, and neither of those two groups are particularly fond of sharing secrets (such as read/write access to Bok's permissions list) nor of secular authorities butting in on Guild/Cult affairs.
Because -- or at least I suspect -- Bok draws from the Waystones of Karak Eight Peaks and has something to do with them. And that is the domain or business of the Kings.

Furthermore, this isn't the normal Runelord project. This is an item that sticks around and walks on its owns and does stuff. Which means that the Runelord would probably have had to have left some documentation or protocols for it; or engraved protocols into the Waystone control system somehow. Because this isn't like an ordinary bit of runework you leave behind for your descendants and apprentice's apprentice's apprentices; this is something that needs more active supervision.

... Hopefully they didn't just leave it up to "The Runelord will pass on secrets to the next Runelord." ... They might not have, actually. If Runelords often died before they could hand over whatever position of authority they held (because they were Dwarfs and so were going to hold on until they died) like the way a King does not do "retirement", then... Hm. Either it would have rested on them keeping Apprentices or something, I dunno.
I'd buy Bok recognizing that the bearer of the crown was the King and treating them as such, but arbitrarily declaring someone a Runelord (or Archmage) is not actually something a King can do so it makes no sense that that's something Belegar (or Belegar's presence) can do.
I don't think that a King can declare somebody a Runelord, but the King can probably say "This Runelord is of our Kingdom" which might make the difference. (But then that runs into the issue of whether "Runelord 'of' X Place" is even a thing; and then, if it is a thing, whether Kragg would be willing to give his position in Karaz-a-Parak to do so, and then if doing so would be a good idea... And, would it be a good idea? For instance, what if we in the future wanted to do something with Thorgrim's help and the Throne of Power, or talk to Thorgrim in some way? Having Kragg remain the Runelord of Karaz-a-Karak might be able to smooth a lot of things along. Or for that matter, if Kragg moving permanently to K8P would make Thorgrim nervous or stressed or sad at the loss. Or maybe make Thorgrim think that Belegar is more fine with Thorgrim, if Belegar got KaK's Runelord. Or... Urgh. The more I think about this, the more I worry about stepping into a minefield. And it might not even be a thing at all, so.)

Worst case scenario: it needs to be a Runesmith from Clan Angrund or one of the Karak Eight Peaks runesmith clans. In which case, maximum well'p.

But you're probably right that this was probably a pet project of a Runelord and an Archmage, who then presented the finished project to the King of Karak Eight Peaks, and the King now had another protector for his kingdom.

Question is, who can command Bok? What is the chain of authority here? Is Bok under the command of the Runelord of Karak Eight Peaks? Does Bok belong to Karak Eight Peaks and thus the King may command him at will? But then, since Bok draws from the Waystones, and the King probably can do something with that... what's the relationship between King and Elemental then?

We don't know all this. We don't know enough, sadly. But at least, we have a shot at trying to see if Belegar's Crown lets him do anything or get any reaction out of Bok.

We'll probably have to dig deep into the histories and secrets of Clan Angrund, and/or whomever the Runelords of Karak Eight Peaks were, in order to try to get answers. And we've no idea if the relevant histories and journals and archives even exist anymore.
 
[X] Attempt to find the Norse Dwarf outpost of Kraka Ravnvake

[X] [BARBITUS] Interrogation

[X] [DEPART] Remain with the Expedition until Praag

[X] Magister Egrimm van Horstmann
[x] Be ready to use Rite of Way should it prove necessary
 
All else aside, all this talk of networks and interfaces and programming is going to be a hell of a lot less intuitive to someone living in the Fantasy 1500's than it is to you sitting at your computer pulling up this quest on the internet.

It's a necessary aspect of this setting that a ton of the things we now find obvious in retrospect wouldn't occur to the characters, even very intelligent and educated characters. They don't even have movable type yet, for crying out loud.

Case in point 'unplug the waystone'. That is like standard tech support for us and it took a eureka moment for Mathilde.
 
All else aside, all this talk of networks and interfaces and programming is going to be a hell of a lot less intuitive to someone living in the Fantasy 1500's than it is to you sitting at your computer pulling up this quest on the internet.

It's a necessary aspect of this setting that a ton of the things we now find obvious in retrospect wouldn't occur to the characters, even very intelligent and educated characters. They don't even have movable type yet, for crying out loud.
Bok: You need to be an Administrator to do this
Kragg: Who's the administrator?
Bok: Enter Username and Password
Kragg: Enter it where?
Bok: Press any key to continue
Kragg: Which one's the any key?
 
So, how many gods got pinged by Protector when we went to save Ljiljana?
If it worked on Gods then everyone would be worshipping Ranald as the most selfless and friendly ally of all the cults ever. Because I'm pretty sure that Ranald can do everything his Coin can.

I mean, I doubt these were all the Kul. Just a camp of them, right? That doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on the whole ethnic group.
@BoneyM Do Mathilde or Lijliana have any estimate regarding how large a fraction of the Kul they just took out and/or whether this was the camp of their chieftain or just the camp of some Kul chief equivalent of a duke or whatever?
Ranald is not what I'd call trusted by the movers and shakers of the Empire.
Yet! Just wait until the next Emperor and the future Empress-Dowager are done with their religious reforms. :V
A Hysh shaman, the local Chaos Warlord's right-hand man
Do you mean Azyr?
Oh gods, I had forgotten about The Protector. The rumor about the kindly shadow shaman is going to go around the steppes like a brushfire.
Yep. Protector should trigger not just on all of the Kul's regular rivals and raiding victims, but also on quite a few members of the Kul themselves. Specifically anyone who had dangerous beef with specifically those people that we killed today. That includes the direct rivals of the Slaaneshi chief, people whose illegal secrets could be revealed by that Azyr Shaman, people on the Ulgu Shaman's assassination list and people that risked getting dunked on by the local Champion of Khorne for whatever reason.
Dismissed, dispelled, or next morning.
How heavy is the Shadowsteed? Can we summon it to barricade a door?
Yes, the Colleges already reimburse travel expenses for arriving Apprentices, and they have people in every major city who can confirm magical ability and organize transport.
They do? I wouldn't have expected it, given the crippling debt that they saddle their Journeymen with.
Somewhere between □□□ and □□□.
Were these supposed to be boxes or is my browser/computer failing at rendering much more fun wiggly symbols?
I'm judging an ephemeral 'how spooky are they and is it enough to spook Mathilde' sort of thing rather than a trinary 'nothing/fear/terror' model.
Does that also work the other way around? As in, Wizard spells and enhancements that Mathilde has access to and that cause fear actually do so based on the way they are perceived through senses as opposed to directly manipulating the emotions of enemies in range?
True, but if start to institute change it would need to be one that goes all the way down, and there are awful lot of links in that chain between the Emperor and the common name, links that might protest to those reforms.
That depends on how hard Mandred will go with the Protector, and of course how will he interpret it.
Peasants rebelling against the monarch's government while loving the monarch has frequently been a thing in history.
 
@BoneyM Do Mathilde or Lijliana have any estimate regarding how large a fraction of the Kul they just took out and/or whether this was the camp of their chieftain or just the camp of some Kul chief equivalent of a duke or whatever?

The nature of nomadism means there's only ever a significant fraction of them in one place when they're riding to war, otherwise they need to be spread out so their herds can graze. This won't have made any significant dent in their numbers, but that the cup was here does suggest that some of the leaders might have been major figures in Kul society - but no, no insight on who exactly they might have been.

How heavy is the Shadowsteed? Can we summon it to barricade a door?

The only purpose it can be put to is transportation.

They do? I wouldn't have expected it, given the crippling debt that they saddle their Journeymen with.

How you're treated when you've still got one foot out the door is very different to how you're treated once you're locked in.

Were these supposed to be boxes or is my browser/computer failing at rendering much more fun wiggly symbols?

Boxes. The 'failing at rendering' thing is the joke. Mathilde is very proud of having been able to deduce those figures.

Does that also work the other way around? As in, Wizard spells and enhancements that Mathilde has access to and that cause fear actually do so based on the way they are perceived through senses as opposed to directly manipulating the emotions of enemies in range?

A bit of both. It does effect how Mathilde is perceived, but it also changes how those perceptions affect the viewer.
 
Boney, i already suggested this so you might already have read it, but would it be possible to use our Boon to ask Belegar to restore and grant us the position of K8P Archmage (Since Bok mentioned it existed at some point) so he can retain us in more or less our current position, and get a real Loremaster for his advice?
 
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