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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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LightLan said:
I say we follow the example of Van Hal.
As long as we live no one else needs to know of the Liber Mortis, for we can make use of it should the need be dire.
On our death we bequeath it to someone we trust to do the same.
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I expect that if he had lived longer he would have entrusted us eventually.
 
fictionfan said:
Let's put it this way. I doubt that our old master has told anyone else about him killing the pregnant empress. But, because he was our old master he was willing to tell us even though it is a secret that could likely get him killed and we didn't really need to know. I expect that we will be able to trust former apprentices that much as well.
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And it's not like we would be starting with that kinda secrets, you take them in, train them, send them of to their journeying, and once they return as a full magister, then maybe have think if they are ready, or if to start over with a new apprentice, or throw all the secrets into a volcano in a gromril box.
 
LightLan said:
I say we follow the example of Van Hal.
As long as we live no one else needs to know of the Liber Mortis, for we can make use of it should the need be dire.
On our death we bequeath it to someone we trust to do the same.
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Van Hal was lucky he died in a position where he had someone to trust Liber Mortis to, i don't expect us to be as lucky (though Boney has stated there would be a post death votes for last will type things).
 
Valmond said:
Van Hal was lucky he died in a position where he had someone to trust Liber Mortis to, i don't expect us to be as lucky (though Boney has stated there would be a post death votes for last will type things).
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we have it safely stashed inside a Dwarven Vault.
It doesn't really get safer than that.

simply include in the testament that box #123 goes to $person_we_hopefully_can_trust
 
I'd be down for an apprentice or two but honestly would have liked to have it be one the new born in K8P citizens and act like the harry potter dude "Your a wizard harry" since by lore Grey magisters usually find their apprentices i believe although i might be messing up my lore from the colleges.

Just to confirm though, kids magic usually awaken around 10 - 11 right? Could we teach them at K8P? i'd hate to have to stay stuck in the colleges for like 6 - 8 years training up the kid.
 
Raydom said:
Just to confirm though, kids magic usually awaken around 10 - 11 right? Could we teach them at K8P? i'd hate to have to stay stuck in the colleges for like 6 - 8 years training up the kid.
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magic awakening is random, some people get it young, others old.

Mathilde would get a somewhat pretrained apprentice, at least enough that they'd be allowed to leave the College.
 
Raydom said:
Just to confirm though, kids magic usually awaken around 10 - 11 right? Could we teach them at K8P? i'd hate to have to stay stuck in the colleges for like 6 - 8 years training up the kid.
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Most commonly 15-20, rarely outside 10-25. Junior Apprentices are restricted to College grounds until they learn to handle magic well enough to do so outside of a mono-Wind environment without exploding. Mathilde would theoretically be able to replicate an Apprentice-suitable environment, or she can take on someone that's at the level to learn outside the safe environment - it's not uncommon for Apprentices to not have a Master and be instead taught by the College staff until they graduate out of junior.
 
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Also a thing about apprentices:
Apprenticeship
Junior Apprenticeship is developing control over the ability to touch the Winds. For some people this means learning how to reach out and touch it, for others it's learning how to stop. They cannot leave the mono-Wind environment of the Colleges without risking Dhar poisoning. They usually get a Master when they reach regular Apprentice, which is when they start learning how to actually do things with magic instead of learning how not to be killed by magic. Most spend this inside the College, though it can be spent at any College-controlled location. Senior Apprentices have enough control and ability that they can be allowed to leave College property of their own accord. Some of them join their Master on their missions or get sent on simple assignments, some of them go adventuring on their own, most just use it to explore Altdorf.
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Mathilde is going to get a apprentice at middle stage most likely, as text describes, who doesn't require mono-wind environment anymore, so technically can go with Mathilde to her mansion (which would count as a College-controlled location surely), but he/she still should be getting all the curricular classes in College (apprentice's Master would be like academic adviser in this education model likely, combining learning personal magic vision and usual theoretical and non-magical classes). And neither Mathilde nor, probably, any one in this thread would like to spend several years in College with her apprentice forfeiting other duties and projects, so there is a location question to think about. Probably Mathilde spending time corresponding to her apprentice actions in Altdorf and occasionally taking her apprentice to K8P?
Edit: oh, hey, Boney touched on this problem already when I was writing this.
 
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Lukewarm on taking an apprentice.

That said, if we find a young Druuchi orphan on Elfcation TAKE THEM. Being able to fulfill the Prophecy of Demise by teaching an elf boy Ulgu (you see it works since Shadow is the absence of light, so technically Ulgu is the "darkest magic", raising an army of beasts? Druuchi consider humans no better than beasts.) would tickle mine and Mathildes funny bone.
 
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Guys, can we stop with the whole "Counting our chickens before they hatch" thingy? It is a particularly annoying variety of thread Madness, I think that we should wait until we leave the outskirts of hell before planning on getting an apprentice or discussing the potential benefits of Arcanic Khazalid.

I hope that Boney decides to close the vote and update soon, so that we can leave thread madness behind ASAP.
 
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I assumed that when it came to the Liber Mortis, we'd probably just give it back to the Van Hals. It's their's, and we're essentially only just... temporarily keeping it... for the moment.

I have no idea who the hell we could trust with it, so... Just give it back to the person we got it from. Back to the family that had kept it successfully for a thousand years. If nothing else, that sort of track record speaks for itself.

It also just seemed sort of right to do that? Give it back to Roswita. Unfortunate that we were probably doing it post-humously, but, oh well.
 
The king Chad said:
*This thread* - Stupid runesmiths not taking apprentices. Of course rune knowledge is constantly lost.

*Also this thread* - I'm against taking an apprentice because it will eat into my action economy.


I'm absolutely for taking an apprentice, btw. Irresponsible to be holding so much knowledge and not consider passing it on because it might be inconvenient. That's literally why the Karaz Ankor is fading.
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We pass on basically all of our knowledge though?

We write alot of papers, and everyone likes to bring up the Necromancy book .... but we've passed on a lot of the stuff we learned in that book already, and I plan on passing on the rest of it via our will. Just have a bunch of papers going "here's all the unapproved magic stuff I did, was 100% loyal, didn't use it, no reason to lie cause I'm dead, here's all the useful stuff."

Runesmith's don't write down their knowledge, so they need apprentices. We publish everything, so it's fine.

I'm pretty neutral on the topic at the moment, but comparing us to Runesmith's and going "Mattie needs to pass on her knowledge" is a little unrepresentative in my opinion.
 
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Problem is that lot of the stuff we are not passing on about necromancy, is how stupidly easy it is, to do and to disrupt.
Non mage goes from nobody to a world ending thread by reading one book, there is no safe way to disseminate that knowledge, either we hand pick someone to guard it, bury as deep as we can, or hope that who ever ends up in charge of college after we are gone is not a fanatic who ends up doing something stupid.
I'm up for first two.
 
What's funny is that when she checks out with her cargo of ALL the meat, Mathilde will have to remember to do so as 'Gabriella von Ernachthafen'.

Wonder what the Chorfs would think of an incognito Grey buying so much meat AND her weight in gold of market trinkets.
 
Valmond said:
Problem is that lot of the stuff we are not passing on about necromancy, is how stupidly easy it is, to do and to disrupt.
Non mage goes from nobody to a world ending thread by reading one book, there is no safe way to disseminate that knowledge, either we hand pick someone to guard it, bury as deep as we can, or hope that who ever ends up in charge of college after we are gone is not a fanatic who ends up doing something stupid.
I'm up for first two.
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You know, there is an argument that the Second Secret of Dhar being widely known would be worth the First Secret of Dhar being widely known.

Say everyone with a magical education knows how to manipulate dhar to become super-powerful, but at the same time every single wizard also knows how to trivially made those dhar constructs explode. There's a certain balance there.
 
I've been pretty solidly in the "no apprentice" camp for as long as it's been a question, but after reflecting upon the fact that they won't stay an apprentice forever*, making it a long-term but not permanent commitment, I'm willing to shift to "when Mathilde is much older". We're still in the prime of our doing-things years! As Thorek said, enjoy your youth and chance to adventure over boring responsibilities while you can!

*Triggered in part by the apprenticing system in Rhunrikki Strollar
 
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Briefvoice said:
You know, there is an argument that the Second Secret of Dhar being widely known would be worth the First Secret of Dhar being widely known.

Say everyone with a magical education knows how to manipulate dhar to become super-powerful, but at the same time every single wizard also knows how to trivially made those dhar constructs explode. There's a certain balance there.
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MAD is a terrible practice.
Especially when who gets nukes is essentially random.
 
Briefvoice said:
Say everyone with a magical education knows how to manipulate dhar to become super-powerful, but at the same time every single wizard also knows how to trivially made those dhar constructs explode. There's a certain balance there.
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No. Knowledge of the Second Secret allows you to begin developing counter measures in your undead.
The balance would not exist for long.
 
Briefvoice said:
You know, there is an argument that the Second Secret of Dhar being widely known would be worth the First Secret of Dhar being widely known.

Say everyone with a magical education knows how to manipulate dhar to become super-powerful, but at the same time every single wizard also knows how to trivially made those dhar constructs explode. There's a certain balance there.
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If Dhar didn't come with megalomania and magical radiation I'd agree, but the nature of the stuff means that they'll all go out with a bang anyway. It'll lead to a rise in attrition overall.
 
Briefvoice said:
You know, there is an argument that the Second Secret of Dhar being widely known would be worth the First Secret of Dhar being widely known.

Say everyone with a magical education knows how to manipulate dhar to become super-powerful, but at the same time every single wizard also knows how to trivially made those dhar constructs explode. There's a certain balance there.
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I'm pretty sure that would leave the whole Empire looking like Sylvania- a Dhar-blasted wasteland.
 
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