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- Earth
The office of the High King is a duty that he is not allowed to rescind even should he do a Slayer Oath.
IIRC the King of Karak Kadrin has that problem already as a mere King, not even a High King.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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IIRC the King of Karak Kadrin has that problem already as a mere King, not even a High King.
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- Oklahoma
Is Arsanil in Regiments of Renown? I thought he was only in Dogs of War
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Re-voting with fewer approval votes and without double-voting for Uzkulak.
[x] Magister Michel Solmann
[x] Scouting near the convoy
[x] Ranging far ahead of the convoy
[x] Journeywoman Alexandra Kohler
[x] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[x] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[x] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
[x] Magister Michel Solmann
[x] Scouting near the convoy
[x] Ranging far ahead of the convoy
[x] Journeywoman Alexandra Kohler
[x] Visit Uzkulak, the Chaos Dwarf equivalent to Barak Varr
[x] Thane Borek Forkbeard
[x] Head Ranger Snorri Farstrider
[x] Preceptor Joerg von Zavstra
[x] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart the Younger
There is a possibility, but compared to a daemonic siege, Marauder/Moulder raiders are almost laughable.
Karak Vlag wouldn't fall easily nor swiftly.
I think Thorgrim did what he could with what he had. And hell, just hanging on and not giving up, in the face of the huge surprise revelation about the state of the Karaz Ankor, is a big deal. If anything, I would hope that we re-energize Thorgrim. (... And, okay, reconcile Thorgrim and Belegar while we're wishing for things. Because why not.)
But frankly, I think Thorgrim could be a great help to the Karaz Ankor, the Empire, to Belegar and Eight Peaks... Just. The man wanted to do good, still wants to do good, wants to take care of the Empire that Grungni left them. But it's like he's only ever had bad choices and worse news. "So many grudges, so few resources, so little time."
A Thorgrim who, now knowing the Karaz Ankor's time is not limited, and thus moving out from an MO of "taking out as many Grudges as possible before we die" to being able to support and extend the tactical and strategic lifespans and situations of the various Holds...
Hmph. You know, I wonder if it's possible that he'll want to meet us, after this expedition? Both because of how we saved hundreds of the Okral, and how we now returned Vlag. (And theoretically Dum. Or at least, revealed information on Dum.)
One of our possibilities post-Dum is working on the Dwarf-Eonir Waystone research, right? (Another probably being Bok and Elementals.) Well, what if Thorgrim also ends up being involved somehow? Like if we mention one of our possible plans for the future (Eonir and Waystones) and he subtly gives approval to it. Or perhaps decides to meet with Belegar, and see if he wants to be named Heir to the High Throne. And then Belegar, upon learning more of the truth and how reclaiming Karak Eight Peaks actually saved the Karaz Ankor rather the "Lets him rob my kingdom blind!" outrage he had... also nods at Mathilde to do it. (Belegar would probably have even more on his shoulders, from learning this. But. At least he would know of two people in his corner, that being Thorgrim and Mathilde. And also, he would know of the significance of Karak Eight Peaks and Vlag's waystone flows being restored. So. More weight and news. But at the same time... Hope. And reassurance and knowledge that what you did mattered. That you made a difference. And that you could continue to make a difference.)
... Nah. Don't quite think that's it.
But then, why is it? Why have the Wastes moved further south, and not gone back up north? Is it just a time of waxing for them?
But frankly, I think Thorgrim could be a great help to the Karaz Ankor, the Empire, to Belegar and Eight Peaks... Just. The man wanted to do good, still wants to do good, wants to take care of the Empire that Grungni left them. But it's like he's only ever had bad choices and worse news. "So many grudges, so few resources, so little time."
A Thorgrim who, now knowing the Karaz Ankor's time is not limited, and thus moving out from an MO of "taking out as many Grudges as possible before we die" to being able to support and extend the tactical and strategic lifespans and situations of the various Holds...
Hmph. You know, I wonder if it's possible that he'll want to meet us, after this expedition? Both because of how we saved hundreds of the Okral, and how we now returned Vlag. (And theoretically Dum. Or at least, revealed information on Dum.)
One of our possibilities post-Dum is working on the Dwarf-Eonir Waystone research, right? (Another probably being Bok and Elementals.) Well, what if Thorgrim also ends up being involved somehow? Like if we mention one of our possible plans for the future (Eonir and Waystones) and he subtly gives approval to it. Or perhaps decides to meet with Belegar, and see if he wants to be named Heir to the High Throne. And then Belegar, upon learning more of the truth and how reclaiming Karak Eight Peaks actually saved the Karaz Ankor rather the "Lets him rob my kingdom blind!" outrage he had... also nods at Mathilde to do it. (Belegar would probably have even more on his shoulders, from learning this. But. At least he would know of two people in his corner, that being Thorgrim and Mathilde. And also, he would know of the significance of Karak Eight Peaks and Vlag's waystone flows being restored. So. More weight and news. But at the same time... Hope. And reassurance and knowledge that what you did mattered. That you made a difference. And that you could continue to make a difference.)
Perhaps them doing an Aethyr-Karak switcheroo on the site of Karak Vlag also plays a part. i.e. It's not just about how much magic is flowing around. It's about staking a metaphorical/metaphysical claim in the world.
... Nah. Don't quite think that's it.
But then, why is it? Why have the Wastes moved further south, and not gone back up north? Is it just a time of waxing for them?
I swear I remember Boney alluding to High-Kings going slayer over disappointing their vassals rather than such vassal outright rebelling.
Or are you saying that he could go slayer but he would remain King? If that's the case how does that work?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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He has no presumptive heir.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Their bodies didn't fade after death, so definitely flesh-and-blood Dwarfs.
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- Under your bed
doesnt matter
he wasnt the son of the previous king either and dwarven lineages are well documented enough that they would find some nephew or so
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Either he chooses someone as his heir, which he hasn't done yet, or he calls a council of Dwarfs to decide the heir, as Alriksson did. But at present, he has no heir.
- Location
- Not here. Maybe on SB.
They were dwarves. That's about all we really know.
Maybe they were Slaaneshi Slayers. Maybe regular Slayers, tricked into it. Maybe even just captured and mind-controlled dwarves, that been disguised as a Slayers.
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But Dwarves arent corruptable by chaos in Lore, if i remember correctly so it's more likely demonettes
If I had to guess, it's probably the fall of the Norse Dwarfholds. It fits in terms of the timeline, and we know that they had to have had some alternative way to the Waystone Network to power their Karak-Runes, or else they would not have survived as long as they did. Presumably it was the same way they were powered in the days of the ancestor gods, before the Waystone Network which was a collaboration with the High Elves.
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- Finland
Not sure on quest canon.
But my understanding was that the king remains a king, while being a slayer, and both kinghood and slayerhood gets passed down the line.
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- Russia
Zharr-Naggrundian What
They absolutely, completely can't be daemonettes. Their bodies didn't deteriorate.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
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- She/Her
Ah yes, getting the Colleges of Magic an Elector Count vote, clearly this is a job for Mathilde "14 Diplomacy" Weber.
Yeah, that's way too small potatoes. Clearly we need to go the total war route and have Luitpold revive Solland specifically so he can give it to the colleges.
Droman
𐤊𐤍𐤏𐤍
Except he didn't give up. Thorgrim explicitly renewed the Dwarven Realms by making contact with the Holds of Norsca and promising an Age of Reckoning. He didn't necessarily make a promise to pursue ventures he deemed likely to fail, which Eight Peaks very well could have. Thorgrim's vow was made before ascending to the Throne of Power and realizing the enormity of the task which laid before him and how inevitable it seemed that the Dwarf people would diminish and dwindle into extinction. He chose to prioritize achievable objectives and present a Dwarf Realm to their foes that would kill for every Dwarf dead and every foot of Dwarf lands taken. He did what every King of every Karak under siege by enemies, cut off from allies, would have done.
That our actions took place does not diminish just how extraordinary in nature they are. As a reminder, both the Drakwald and Solland have not been recovered by the Empire, and Mousillon still remains outside the normal laws of Bretonnia, while Cuileux and Glanborielle lay dormant and forgotten. The fact that two Karaks have been returned from enemy hands is not a stain on Thorgrim's honor or reputation, but rather a beacon of hope, that the realms of Order are not doomed to degrade and shrink against the depredations of Chaos, but can grow and wax anew.
Also, the other two candidates to the High Kingship at the time of Thorgrim's ascension were Belegar and Ungrim. So one of those two would be likely to be nominated.
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- He/Him
Chaos Dwarves arent actual Chaos. They have the bull god and they are inherently resistant to magics and all such stuff
Point of order, in this quest it was Belegars father who was a candidate for High King. I think. Might also have been a grandfather. Belegar himself wasn't alive back then.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Demonettes dissolve back into magic when killed. Therefore whatever these beings were, they are not demons.
(Also, these beings are physically dwarves, the lay-clerics of Gazul would have checked. Carefully)
(Edit: Also, my read is that they are literally dwarves captured and tortured by Slannish demons, but like, this post is not about that, just the whole dissolving thing)
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They are Chaos, just not the big four. Also the Second edition RPG had a Slaaneshi dwarf in Karak Azghal so even that is not unprecedented.
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- Not here. Maybe on SB.
You, likely, misremember them with halflings. Halflings have "Resistance to Chaos" trait, that makes them immune to mutations and whatnots. Dwarves don't.
Yikes, I guess things can always be worst.
I'd waffled on that.
On the one hand, the Wastes surged south even before the Lieutenant of Asavar Kul detoured and went marching on the Norse Dwarfs, but...
... Hm. Actually... On that thought...
... What if it is the Norse Dwarfs? And I mean, right now?
That is -- what if the Norse Dwarfs are being kept alive... in order to farm them for sacrifices for Chaos?
The Norse Dwarfs, and Dwarf Holds, are being used as batteries or blood sacrifices to empower the Chaos Wastes to spread south.
At first, the Wastes surged south, with the coming of the Everchosen. But after his defeat, the tides of Chaos would naturally begin to wane... So a Lieutenant set out to provide the suddenly-needed boost of energy, to keep the Chaos Wastes far south.
Hm.
Maybe the Norse Dwarfs are in a similar situation as that of Karak Vlag.
Being kept alive for sport and for a purpose both. Because if they all died out, Chaos would have less non-Chaos-worshippers to sacrifice in the north.
Hmmm.
Dammit, now I want to take a look at the Norse Dwarfs! Even more-so than I had wanted to do before.