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So that was intriguing.
Anyone know what (S·T·T·L) means?
I think this-
Dis Manibus, Abelhelm Van Hal, hic situs est. IC 2432 - 2477. Sit tibi terra levis.
You don't want Wolf to be like one of the senior advisors to the Elector Count of Averland?
Wolf is already unironically our Major-domo and castellan.
They trusted the wrong being, but the history of this world is made of misplaced trust."
Hmm.
Cython specifically as an Emperor Dragon remembers a time before the coming of the Old Ones on their silver ships.
Old Ones: "Trust us, we know what we're doing. This will all work out."
Time passes...
Emperor Dragons: "..."
 
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Personally, I would just prefer not to continue the discussion around dragon pronouns at all. There isn't a cosmically correct answer and it's just likely to lead to hurt feelings.
 
Fair. I know that an Emperor Dragon isn't an actual title, but still.
Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, I think probably something like just "radiance" to denote a Hysh dragon, or whatever other fancy title might apply for non-collegiate, with Emperor to denote its rank. Or something. Actually, @BoneyM could you give us an idea how crediting Cython might work?
 
Sorry, I'm not sure whether you're discussing how you choose to refer to Cython, or if you're discussing how you feel I should refer to Cython. Can you please specify which you mean? Because those are two very different conversations.
I'm talking about why I think everyone should refer to Cython with 'they' and not use 'it' to refer to things that was categorise as people

So, I'm referring to why I do, and why I think you should use 'they', so to answer your question... both.

As someone who has used both it and they for non-gendered or gender unknown beings, 'they' has its own issues in the narrative, principally the fact that it's a plural pronoun so in a fantasy setting you could have this constant mental stutter going 'does that mean the person is more than a singular being?' I don't think there is a perfect solution.
Speaking as someone who has English as a first language; "they" also works perfectly fine as a singular pronoun when speaking about someone who's gender is unknown, I used the word singular in the post you quoted, so I fear we might fall to "nu uhhh" "ya haaa", if you do disagree with this.

If you want, I'll search for something written by someone cleverer than me that explains how and why "they" works to refer to singular and DM it to you.
 
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Ah, that makes sense. Yeah, I think probably something like just "radiance" to denote a Hysh dragon, or whatever other fancy title might apply for non-collegiate, with Emperor to denote its rank. Or something. Actually, @BoneyM could you give us an idea how crediting Cython might work?

Either just 'Cython', or by considering 'Emperor Dragon' or 'Ice Dragon' to be a title and citing it as 'Emperor Dragon Cython' or 'Ice Dragon Cython'. Cython is unaffiliated so there wouldn't be any brackets.
 
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Either just 'Cython', or by considering 'Emperor Dragon' or 'Ice Dragon' to be a title and citing him as 'Emperor Dragon Cython' or 'Ice Dragon Cython'. He's unaffiliated so there would be any brackets.
So we should use one of our deeds to open a branch college, and recruit them in our role as Magister Matriarch of that branch college, so we can then use abbreviations for the title.

Hmm, seems like an appropriate amount of effort for a sick prank.

EDIT: Or I suppose we could hire and cite them as head librarian of Vala-Azril-Ungol once the book boon went through.
 
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I'm talking about why I think everyone should refer to Cython with 'they' and not use 'it' to refer to things that was categorise as people

So, I'm referring to why I do, and why I think you should use 'they'.

Speaking as someone who has English as a first language; "they" also works perfectly fine as a singular pronoun when speaking about someone who's gender is unknown, I used the word singular in the post you quoted, so I fear we might fall to "nu uhhh" "ya haaa", if you do disagree with this.

If you want, I'll search for something written by someone cleverer than me that explains how and why "they" works to refer to singular.

The story already has a being to whom 'they' is an exactly correct pronoun in the form of the We. Therefore, using 'they' to refer to a singular being would be, in my opinion, more incorrect than using 'it'. You can use 'they' to refer to Cython if you prefer, but I will not, and I'm really not interested in any debate on the matter.

Out of curiosity what would you have done if he had used it then won every role and killed it?

I don't know, I don't plan ahead past the next diceroll.

and how long can we confuse people if refer to him as E.D or I.D Cython in the books?

please say until the first guest lecture!

Attempts to create new acronyms are 'corrected' by the Colleges before publishing.
 
Speaking as someone who has English as a first language; "they" also works perfectly fine as a singular pronoun when speaking about someone who's gender is unknown, I used the word singular in the post you quoted, so I fear we might fall to "nu uhhh" "ya haaa", if you do disagree with this.

If you want, I'll search for something written by someone cleverer than me that explains how and why "they" works to refer to singular and DM it to you.

That is fine I'll take your word for it. English is not my first language which is probably why I see pronouns a little differently and 'they as singular' looks odd to me.
 
Remember that Elsbeth Von Draken has befriended a Carmine dragon, who also use Amethyst magic, so there's probably precedent for how to reference the contribution of draconic co-authors.
 
The story already has a being to whom 'they' is an exactly correct pronoun in the form of the We. Therefore, using 'they' to refer to a singular being would be, in my opinion, more incorrect than using 'it'. You can use 'they' to refer to Cython if you prefer, but I will not, and I'm really not interested in any debate on the matter.
Yeah, I uh, felt a bit bad for starting this, my weighing on the ambiguity is different than yours (obviously), but I feel I can see where you are coming from now that you mention the We.

I am glad, and am agreeing, that this discussion should be cut off before it decays into debate (i.e. here), but thank you for expanding on your position on this wrt the We.
 
Remember that Elsbeth Von Draken has befriended a Carmine dragon, who also use Amethyst magic, so there's probably precedent for how to reference the contribution of draconic co-authors.
...I wonder how that would affect the reactions to any papers we publish with him. Like, Elspeth is a Matriarch, and her befriending a dragon like that is one of her more impressive feats, IIRC? But then you have to consider that hers also happens to share the same wind as her, which probably made it moderately easier. We, on the other hand, will have gone above and beyond to befriend not just a dragon of another Wind, but the opposite one. The comparisons ought to be interesting, at least.
 
Completely tangential: which scouting actions do we want to do first, if any?
[ ] With the help of a gyrocarriage, personally scout part of the route (specify: High Pass, Road of Skulls, Western Great Steppes, Karag Dum vicinity)
If there's one of them that it makes the most sense to do next turn, we should make sure to have the relevant geography books on hand; even if it doesn't provide mechanical advantage on any dicerolls, the narrative benefits seem worth gunning for.
 
I'd be tempted to scout out the Western Great Steppes first. We're more likely to find someone to talk to there, and gather information on a much wider region than we can see ourselves.

I'm not quite bold enough to suggest we infiltrate the Chaos Dwarf city with the Night Prowler active and gather intelligence on the local chaos tribes and potentially on movements near Karak Dum itself from the warbands trading with the Chaos Dwarves, but it's an option we should consider. They speak Khazlid, I think, and Qrech can brief us a bit on them.
 
...I wonder how that would affect the reactions to any papers we publish with him. Like, Elspeth is a Matriarch, and her befriending a dragon like that is one of her more impressive feats, IIRC? But then you have to consider that hers also happens to share the same wind as her, which probably made it moderately easier. We, on the other hand, will have gone above and beyond to befriend not just a dragon of another Wind, but the opposite one. The comparisons ought to be interesting, at least.
There'll be a lot of grumbling about Greys and Diplomacy, and those who know us and knows it to be our worst subject will just chuckle.
 
...I wonder how that would affect the reactions to any papers we publish with him. Like, Elspeth is a Matriarch, and her befriending a dragon like that is one of her more impressive feats, IIRC? But then you have to consider that hers also happens to share the same wind as her, which probably made it moderately easier. We, on the other hand, will have gone above and beyond to befriend not just a dragon of another Wind, but the opposite one. The comparisons ought to be interesting, at least.
Hmm, the more interesting reaction might not be from the colleges themselves, but from the elves. Like, most of the dragon princes don't actually have dragons anymore, because they can't wake them up. Meanwhile, the Colleges would have three of them, and all reasonably active, in less than two centuries, and despite not sitting on probably the biggest concentration of dragons in the world.

And it would make some sense that human caster have more luck connecting with dragons, since both belong fully to a wind.
 
Completely tangential: which scouting actions do we want to do first, if any?

If there's one of them that it makes the most sense to do next turn, we should make sure to have the relevant geography books on hand; even if it doesn't provide mechanical advantage on any dicerolls, the narrative benefits seem worth gunning for.
None really make sense next turn. Not worth the risk when the information wouldn't be really any more useful than talking to merchants.

I think scouting should be the two actions we get on the turn we leave.
 
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