This is a very disengaging argument. Mathilde Weber is not 'a bunch of randos on the internet' she is a person who is responsibile for the words she says and the secrets she shares and she cannon unsay them
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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This is a very disengaging argument. Mathilde Weber is not 'a bunch of randos on the internet' she is a person who is responsibile for the words she says and the secrets she shares and she cannon unsay them
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- He/Him
We're lucky Dwarves have much longer memories and lives than humans, else I'm not so sure we'd have been greeted so enthusiastically by Ulthar after so long.
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- It/They
In the interest of keeping any other dawi diplomats from making a blunder, i feel it might be a valid course to mention the rift, but downplay it massively.
Portray it as minor disagreement that Thorgrim and Belegar would rather not be reminded of each other for the time being.
Instead of the potentially KA shattering issue it could become.
Portray it as minor disagreement that Thorgrim and Belegar would rather not be reminded of each other for the time being.
Instead of the potentially KA shattering issue it could become.
[ ] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
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- florida
Nothing low key about that competition there. Though that just might be exactly what the Queen needs.
A rivalry over something might be just the thing to keep her hands from getting TOO ichy.
I think that's kind of unrealistic?
The dwarven political situation isn't static. We saw these kinds of things play out in real time.
I also think he can probably keep sensitive stuff on the DL. At least a bit.
There's also a non zero chance he get assassinated or something and the information is simply... lost. Like I assume a lot of information about dwarven diplomacy has been since sigmars time.
[ ] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[ ] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
ok, for romance, I think these two are the best, because Mathy only knows romance from books, and these are the type of things they do in dates in books.
so it must always be like this? right?
[ ] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
ok, for romance, I think these two are the best, because Mathy only knows romance from books, and these are the type of things they do in dates in books.
so it must always be like this? right?
The dwarfs political situation is indeed not static, but it evolves very slowly by human standards. the current high king has bene in power for two hundred years, crowned competently with Magnus the Pious.
[X] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] Panoramia currently calls a small cottage somewhere in the Eastern Valley home, help her expand it into a proper tower.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Moratorium is up.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
I was leaning toward option 3, but I was convinced to go for this one by dint of the simple fact that we've seen way too many examples of secrets being kept that manage to poison relationships because it causes actions to be taken under flawed assumptions. That being said, I would like to tell Belegar about this conversation at first opportunity (private chat after the council meeting?) and come clean about it, so that he knows that the Empire knows. @BoneyM, would something like this be possible?
(Furthermore, the fact that Boney has revealed that the Empire only sends diplomats to KaK shows a blind spot in the Empire's understanding of dwarf politics. Giving more information about that should help the understanding that the Holds are not monolithic, pun 100% intended, and aid Imperial-Dwarf relations.)
[] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
Dog park!!! I don't ship this ship, but I understand that one of the big draws for it is "we go on wacky adventures together." What better way to get on the right foot than by bonding over the fruits of one of those wacky adventures? Remember, he got the wolf-rats from our under-Karagril raid.
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[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
Since I've seen some good arguments for it, and I think I'd really like to see a scene where they talk about faith.
[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.
If you want someone to feel appreciated, spend time with them admiring them doing the thing they're good at. I don't particularly ship this ship either, but I think that its best shot would come from Mathilde appreciating that Panoramia has grown into a competent wizard in her own right, which means time spent on her turf appreciating her skills. Also, the fact that we have family history with farming means that we might open up about that and share some degree of emotional vulnerability, which is necessary for healthy relationships.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
I was leaning toward option 3, but I was convinced to go for this one by dint of the simple fact that we've seen way too many examples of secrets being kept that manage to poison relationships because it causes actions to be taken under flawed assumptions. That being said, I would like to tell Belegar about this conversation at first opportunity (private chat after the council meeting?) and come clean about it, so that he knows that the Empire knows. @BoneyM, would something like this be possible?
(Furthermore, the fact that Boney has revealed that the Empire only sends diplomats to KaK shows a blind spot in the Empire's understanding of dwarf politics. Giving more information about that should help the understanding that the Holds are not monolithic, pun 100% intended, and aid Imperial-Dwarf relations.)
Dog park!!! I don't ship this ship, but I understand that one of the big draws for it is "we go on wacky adventures together." What better way to get on the right foot than by bonding over the fruits of one of those wacky adventures? Remember, he got the wolf-rats from our under-Karagril raid.
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[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
Since I've seen some good arguments for it, and I think I'd really like to see a scene where they talk about faith.
[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.
If you want someone to feel appreciated, spend time with them admiring them doing the thing they're good at. I don't particularly ship this ship either, but I think that its best shot would come from Mathilde appreciating that Panoramia has grown into a competent wizard in her own right, which means time spent on her turf appreciating her skills. Also, the fact that we have family history with farming means that we might open up about that and share some degree of emotional vulnerability, which is necessary for healthy relationships.
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Yes, current plan is to have a vote for that next update.
- Location
- Canada
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- He/Him
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
ok, for romance, I think these two are the best, because Mathy only knows romance from books, and these are the type of things they do in dates in books.
so it must always be like this? right?
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
ok, for romance, I think these two are the best, because Mathy only knows romance from books, and these are the type of things they do in dates in books.
so it must always be like this? right?
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
- Location
- Where I an right now
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] Though you rarely think of those days, you did grow up on a farm and know something of the soil. Spend time with her as she goes about her work.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
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- Spain
A couple of questions @BoneyM
I suppose that getting a magic item with Eyes of Truth or Breach the Unknown would cause the same effect that one with Speed of Light (Dhar burning inside o Mathilde's cranium) or it would be possible to put the enchantment in something external that Mathilde can look into to activate the spell (like a mirror, some specs, or a magnifying glass) without boiling her brain?
IIRC you said that the consequences fir Mathilde to use an talisman with Birona's Timewarp would be much worse than using Speed Of Light... How much worse can it be than melting the brain or blowing up the head?
How are things going with our Spider Silk, how long until K8P can start selling it to the rest of the world?
I suppose that getting a magic item with Eyes of Truth or Breach the Unknown would cause the same effect that one with Speed of Light (Dhar burning inside o Mathilde's cranium) or it would be possible to put the enchantment in something external that Mathilde can look into to activate the spell (like a mirror, some specs, or a magnifying glass) without boiling her brain?
IIRC you said that the consequences fir Mathilde to use an talisman with Birona's Timewarp would be much worse than using Speed Of Light... How much worse can it be than melting the brain or blowing up the head?
How are things going with our Spider Silk, how long until K8P can start selling it to the rest of the world?
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- Germany
[X] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
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- Actually pretty lost
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
The Empire's experts in Diplomacy, and even the experts in Dwarven Diplomacy, are more capable of deciding what to do with this information than Mathilde is, and I don't consider it a "betrayal" besides. Meanwhile Sharing nothing but what the Dwarves would already tell them would strongly signal to the Empire that our loyalty is to the Dwarves, not them.
The Empire's experts in Diplomacy, and even the experts in Dwarven Diplomacy, are more capable of deciding what to do with this information than Mathilde is, and I don't consider it a "betrayal" besides. Meanwhile Sharing nothing but what the Dwarves would already tell them would strongly signal to the Empire that our loyalty is to the Dwarves, not them.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
I can't really help to feel that it's a bit like expecting... Kislev diplomats to go through the Emperor in order to communicate with the KA.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The spell unsticks us from the flow of time. Presumably, if something goes wrong it might not put us back.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
Let's not push Panormia to expand her house just yet, especially since we've been ignoring her desire for help with Magister exams. I'm pretty sure wizard progression goes Journeyman> Magister > Tower Owner > Lord Magister. So normal date behaviour it is.
[X] Though you both use your magic to cheat, you both have an interest in personal fitness. Work out with him
I don't even like Johann as a romantic prospect (the relationship seems more like a close friend to me) but this seems like it would be fun.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
Leaning towards this after the discussion or a similar write in after reading the discussion.
Let's not push Panormia to expand her house just yet, especially since we've been ignoring her desire for help with Magister exams. I'm pretty sure wizard progression goes Journeyman> Magister > Tower Owner > Lord Magister. So normal date behaviour it is.
[X] Though you both use your magic to cheat, you both have an interest in personal fitness. Work out with him
I don't even like Johann as a romantic prospect (the relationship seems more like a close friend to me) but this seems like it would be fun.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
Leaning towards this after the discussion or a similar write in after reading the discussion.
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NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
[X] Conceal matters you know the Dwarves would prefer you conceal
I would prefer not to share sensitive geopolitical information that is going to be acted upon, implicating the most likely suspect. Even sending so much as a diplomat to K8P would tip them off.
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
I would prefer not to share sensitive geopolitical information that is going to be acted upon, implicating the most likely suspect. Even sending so much as a diplomat to K8P would tip them off.
[X] There's a festival to Grungni coming up, and Johann has taken to observing the Holy Days of the Ancestor-God. Join him in this.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
[X] Do not speak of explicit dwarven secrets; and concerning matters that are "just" sensitive, limit your report to the observations that do not require personal confidence of high-positioned dwarven allies to infer.
I think i'm cool either with the base vote or with @vsh 's write in, so approval voting ho!
As for romance...
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
While i'm not on team Johann, and dogs (ok fine, wolves and wolf rats
) are inferior to cats, pets are good...on which note, assuming the dinner date with panoramia goes well we must find out if she likes cats and if so then get her one as a gift
[X] Do not speak of explicit dwarven secrets; and concerning matters that are "just" sensitive, limit your report to the observations that do not require personal confidence of high-positioned dwarven allies to infer.
I think i'm cool either with the base vote or with @vsh 's write in, so approval voting ho!
As for romance...
[X] You've got a puppy, he's got several. Easy. Spend time with him as your pup plays with his.
[X] The Halflings are renowned chefs, and several restaurants have opened clustered around the base of Karag Nar. Share a meal with her.
While i'm not on team Johann, and dogs (ok fine, wolves and wolf rats
) are inferior to cats, pets are good...on which note, assuming the dinner date with panoramia goes well we must find out if she likes cats and if so then get her one as a gift
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Speak honestly of everything not explicitly secret, including rifts within the Karaz Ankor
I was going to go for 'keep it secret, keep it safe', but this is a pretty big thing, and I guess that it would help more than it would hurt.
The Moratorium is over, so you can vote if you'd like.