I'll be mad if it's something like that and the Amber Wizard who agreed to make one decided to not even mention it.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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If it's the only way it could be made to work? Granted, it's unlikely to be something excessive, but distasteful or difficult is quite possible. Maybe it needs to eat the heart of a large predator every month, in order to work. Doable, but troublesome.
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- United States
not really needed, but here is my vote
[X] Magister Patriarch Algard
[X] Magister Patriarch Algard
An animal would be fine, the mountains and forests around here are full of them and worst case we can go find a Goblin Waaagh and commit some Grand Theft Arachnarok. It killing or doing severe harm to the volunteer and them only mentioning it after the fact, that'd merit having words.
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Eating hearts is fine but if it were the only way it would work would be one way than that is something they should have told us as it would be borderline human sacrifice. No dwarf would allow it therefore it would be worthless and delivering it anyway with such a flaw would be grounds for a grudge. I'm going to assume the Amber Order is not made up of idiots until and unless proven otherwise.
Powerstones are used to make more powerful enchanted items. As are Ulgu runes.
I think we should get those classes before we commit to enchanting projects.
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- Singapore
The problem with an AA tower is that the Dragon doesn't need to fly to be a threat to the entirety of the Eight Peaks. Mathilde has seen first hand, indeed most of her experience of the Dragon has taken place within the Underground of the Eight Peaks, and there the dragon displayed absolutely no problems in conducting genocide against the Skaven even within the confines of the underground. Plan Versatile Voters had no real answer about how their plan was supposed to help if the Dragon simply chooses not to fight above ground, but instead decides to exterminate the Karak from underneath, something it had shown plenty of capacity of doing, that I could actually observe (correct me if I was wrong) across the entire voting period.
Mathilde needed a solution that could work both under and above ground, and if Belegar thinks the Dragon Altar is too distasteful for him even as a final weapon of deterrence, vengeance and last resort against the Dragon should the worse come to pass, we still go back to the same problem of having to find a solution that could engage the Dragon both above and below ground in such a way that would vastly improve the odds of fighting the dragon in conjunction to conventional arms. Super AA Death Tower is pointless if the enemy it's made to fight could wipe you out without ever taking to the skies. So if Mathilde fails this task, then some other solution is needed that could fight an Elder Dragon below and above ground one way or another, or at least ensure that if the Elder Dragon turns hostile, it will go down with the Karak, in the vast majority of scenarios.
Infact, I can imagine that Mathilde would stress to King Belegar that what she commissioned is the kind of weapon that could only be used in the spirit of vengeance for both activator and user.
Mathilde needed a solution that could work both under and above ground, and if Belegar thinks the Dragon Altar is too distasteful for him even as a final weapon of deterrence, vengeance and last resort against the Dragon should the worse come to pass, we still go back to the same problem of having to find a solution that could engage the Dragon both above and below ground in such a way that would vastly improve the odds of fighting the dragon in conjunction to conventional arms. Super AA Death Tower is pointless if the enemy it's made to fight could wipe you out without ever taking to the skies. So if Mathilde fails this task, then some other solution is needed that could fight an Elder Dragon below and above ground one way or another, or at least ensure that if the Elder Dragon turns hostile, it will go down with the Karak, in the vast majority of scenarios.
Infact, I can imagine that Mathilde would stress to King Belegar that what she commissioned is the kind of weapon that could only be used in the spirit of vengeance for both activator and user.
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I mean… we already send captured orcs to be eaten by giant spiders.
Having to pour a few barrels of lizard blood or something into the Battle Altar before each use isn't that big of a deal.
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- Canada
[X] Magister Patriarch Algard
Well if the dwarfs of K8P don't want crazy wizard stuff they'd better not expect crazy results.
Mathilde's shtick when dealing with impossible tasks is taking unprecedented stuff even for wizards mixing it with Dawi runes, Ranald intervention and really 'exotic' stuff like the Liber Mortis or in this case the dragon altar and hoping that luck will carry her the rest of the way.
If the dwarfs scale back their expectations to well enchanted items at moderate prices then the crazy stuff won't be necessary.
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- Canada
[X] Emperor Luitpold
While the work may have been done by us, it was done on belegar's time and payroll. And when distributed amongst the dwarves it was presented as a gift from an old hold. Changing that narrative now would be odd, and could cause problems if dwarves start questioning how the humans got a dwarven book, if it comes from the nebulous depths of the collages. On the other hand as a gift from a dwarf king, to the emperor himself, it lines up nicely.
While the work may have been done by us, it was done on belegar's time and payroll. And when distributed amongst the dwarves it was presented as a gift from an old hold. Changing that narrative now would be odd, and could cause problems if dwarves start questioning how the humans got a dwarven book, if it comes from the nebulous depths of the collages. On the other hand as a gift from a dwarf king, to the emperor himself, it lines up nicely.
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Solid argument.
[x] The Imperial Spymaster
[X] Emperor Luitpold
This is an excellent point.
Hrm.
Is the vote for where we send all our papers, or just Queekish?
I don't see why we cant do an enchantment, then to bigger ones later when we get the prerequisites
I would like to see what a AV enchantments looks like before going for the powerstone ones.
It's about Queekish. We already handed in the rest. Also I don't think Belegar gives a damn who takes credit for this in the Empire, true we did in on his dime, but it was an act so enormously un-dwarfsish that was only posibile because we are a Grey Wizard.
Right, we got the favour for it already.
[x] Emperor Luitpold
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- Earth
The Conspiracy of Silence means Queekish shouldn't see the light of day in the Empire, outside of a very select few. There's no real basis for dwarves to come into contact with the Reikspiel version unless things become a whole lot worse, in which case they'd have bigger problems to worry about.
The dwarves have steam driven machine guns, called clatter guns. They aren't recoil driven, they're externally driven, but they're still automatic.
Just like they hated the Tower of Burning Shadows?
There will be problems and limitations, but many of them may well be addressable with the right runes and other enchanted items.
How are you liking retiring to be Magister Grey? If it officially comes from Belegar it will be immediately obvious that Mathilde was responsible, and I don't trust the broader Empire's information security.
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- Florida
There should legitimately be no way to connect where the book came from lest the Skaven decide to unilaterally fuck up whoever they finger as the source. I disagree with your logic vehemently.
Yeah it is a bit odd how these argument repeat. I distinctly recall that just before that update dropped people were arguing that Belegar would never go for it, dwarfs don't trust magic etc...
And then Belegar reacted as he reacted.
Given the dwarven obsession with precision shown in this quest I believe they are capable of producing a mold that will cast shells within sufficiently tight tolerances. They may have trouble producing dozens or hundreds of molds all with those exact same tolerances, but we only need to supply one gun, not an army.
Dwarfs use crossbows with metal arrowheads, as well as bullets for pistols. Given the quantities required to equip a throng, they are definitely willing to mass produce disposable projectiles.
There is also the option to facilitate the operation of the gun using some minor enchantments to replace difficult to replicate functions, but whether or not it's worth it depends on how effective the resulting weapon would really be. This is only worth it if the effort involved is significantly less than, say, a wand of Rapid Fire Shadow Knives, or the weapon is much more destructive per-hit.
on a different note
Note: Fresh and Refreshed papers confer a +10 bonus; faded ones a -10 malus.
Papers get one step less 'fresh' each turn: Fresh; Fading; Mostly Faded: Faded. Only the first and last have an effect on the diceroll.
Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition. (FADED)
The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual. (FADED)
The physiology and venom of the We. (FADED)
The psychology and social structure of the We. (FADED)
Preliminary paper on Aethyric Vitae. (TIMELESS)
You can literally write the book on a topic for the same amount of effort as two papers; this can be split over multiple turns. You don't need to have all the pieces to do so, but it would be more efficient and impressive if you did.
The We
Max's face.
there is something so nice about a backlog finally clearing out.
we need to buy that gold boy some drinks. (the good stuff.)
Note: Fresh and Refreshed papers confer a +10 bonus; faded ones a -10 malus.
Papers get one step less 'fresh' each turn: Fresh; Fading; Mostly Faded: Faded. Only the first and last have an effect on the diceroll.
Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition. (FADED)
The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual. (FADED)
The physiology and venom of the We. (FADED)
The psychology and social structure of the We. (FADED)
Preliminary paper on Aethyric Vitae. (TIMELESS)
You can literally write the book on a topic for the same amount of effort as two papers; this can be split over multiple turns. You don't need to have all the pieces to do so, but it would be more efficient and impressive if you did.
The We
Max's face.
there is something so nice about a backlog finally clearing out.
we need to buy that gold boy some drinks. (the good stuff.)