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Given the official rapprochement, is this an option now? I'd still like to get a Barazul here, and I think it would still help Belegar to be able to offer this service to potential Slayers.
Or is it perhaps not something a King like Belegar feels he can ask another King for?

It's an internal Dwarven matter, and Mathilde has no way to check on whether or not her advice on the matter has been followed without overstepping some serious bounds.
 
Ladies, gentlemen and other wonderful readers. Today, it is exactly two years ago that Abelhelm van Hal died tragically.

Abel, you always were something special. When we first came to you, we were just a fledging mage. Basically just scraps of the college thrown at you, a sacrifice to the ever hungry Stirland.

You could've left us as just a young woman who didn't know what she was doing, someone unable to help a province as cursed as ours. But you didn't.
You could've thrown us away out of a semi-justified fear of magic, no one would've batted an eye. But you didn't.
Even when you discovered that we were literally figuratively in the claws of the Lahmia, you could've struck immediately and remove what was literally a threat to your life. No one would've complained about it! But you didn't.

Instead, you took us in. You gave us room to grow, gave us what meager resources Stirland could spare and gave words of wisdom and encouragement when earned. You saw what we could be instead of just what we were. And the Karak-8-Peaks are thankful for that.

Even the strongest of flowers cannot grow in poor land, and it is only by setting roots in your fertile soil that Mathilde was able to grow into the beast of a monster-eating sundew she is today. Her vines might cast long shadows eastwards from her stem on the mountaintop, but her hypocotyl is still in the heart of Stirland.

And it wasn't just us, either. You took everyone, a ragtag bunch of conflicting loyalties, and managed to shape us into a group that shifted the Empire itself. You didn't do it yourself (not even remotely), but the vampire's stranglehold on the region is broken, the people are slowly coming back to an almost normal existance and soon Stirland will become a shining beacon of trade and prosperity with the trade from the dwarves. to change the world for the better -permanently-, do you know how hard that is!? It cost you almost everything you had, but we managed to do it together.

Of course, life still goes on. And in Eastern Stirland, even death goes on. We cannot keep looking back at past revelries, we have to bring them into the future to improve ourselves.

And while I may not always be the most... In tune with the rest of thread, I still think I speak for us all when I say NEVER AGAIN!

Never again shall our weapon prove lacking against the forces of destruction attacking our people!
Never again shall we be forced to rely on fallible humans and capricious gods to save our loved one from dying right before our eyes!
Never again shall the armies of the dead march on our lands without our explicit permission to not explode violently!

We shall never, under any circumstances, not divine nor profane, allow Belegar to end up like Abel! Mark my words, as long as we still draw breath we will make sure we do not lose another lord - and possibly even beyond that.

And so, I have a proposal for the thread: A simple, hopefully symbolic gesture to both honour Van Hal and help signify that lesson of Never Again. Something we can do if we manage to find the time in the future.

See, in the heart of Eastern Stirland, there is this ruin. It was once a mighty castle, but now it is just a giant pile of bricks and other building materials. And somewhere beneath that giant mound of rubble, there should be the corpse of a vampire who made the mistake of messing with the wrong motherfucker. What I want to do is to grab a bunch of dwarven miners, move out to former heritage site, excavate the so-called "countess" and mount her skull on our shelf.

Part of this is because she, as the last boss of Sylvania, is a notably missing piece in our skull collection.

And part of it is to make absolutely sure no one is bringing her back, because I do not want to give whoever does so Sigmar's spot on my list!
 
Worst part is, this part of the rift looks to be down to elitism and culture shock; Belegar's still pissed at Thorgrim and KaK, thanks to the the waystone revelation, but nobody outside of the council should really know about it or how far it goes. The conflict between the Okral and K8P's dwarves should be almost entirely down to how they've naturally interacted, and that it's resulted in so many problems says to me that the two cultures are just fundamentally incompatible. Maybe that'll change over time as the Okral get used to the environment at K8P and K8P gets used to them, but I'm not holding out much hope- and even if they do meet in the middle, it won't change the attitudes of the dwarves back in KaK.
 
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It's a completely believable problem that has to do with dwarf society as it is.

The hierarchy in Dwarf society heavily favors age, and when you send a bunch of old dwarfs who are Masters of their profession to a place where they have few peers, it's not that strange that they will be expecting to be in charge.

Exception being KaK engineers VS Gotri, but that's still inherent dwarf ageism at play.

If Kragg wanted/expected to be a loremaster, or a chief runesmith if K8P had any, do you really think he wouldn't be in charge over Mathilde despite her contributions to reclamation?

Kragg is not the exception to, Kragg is the ultimate example of traditional dwarf hierarchy.

There is an undertone of KaK elitism in Okral, yes, but they are still simply being guided by widespread dwarf cultural norms.

The problem arises in the fact that there are serious political considerations in combination with cultural ones that impact the calculus, some of which Okral might not know or might not give enough importance.
 
It's a completely believable problem that has to do with dwarf society as it is.

The hierarchy in Dwarf society heavily favors age, and when you send a bunch of old dwarfs who are Masters of their profession to a place where they have few peers, it's not that strange that they will be expecting to be in charge.

Exception being KaK engineers VS Gotri, but that's still inherent dwarf ageism at play.

If Kragg wanted/expected to be a loremaster, or a chief runesmith if K8P had any, do you really think he wouldn't be in charge over Mathilde despite her contributions to reclamation?

Kragg is not the exception to, Kragg is the ultimate example of traditional dwarf hierarchy.

There is an undertone of KaK elitism in Okral, yes, but they are still simply being guided by widespread dwarf cultural norms.

The problem arises in the fact that there are serious political considerations in combination with cultural ones that impact the calculus, some of which Okral might not know or might not give enough importance.
To add to this we also have to remember who makes up the majority of dwarves here? The exiled clans of K8P. These dwarves have been dreaming of rebuilding their home for generations. And when they finally reclaim it and can now start its restoration here come a bunch of other people barging in and telling them how to do their job. Humans would not take that well let alone dwarves. Even if the foreign experts may be legitimately more experienced and better.
 
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I do not disagree completely with that sentence, but Kragg seems to genuinely respect Mathilde and her expertise a lot more than he respects many many dwarves that are much older than her.

Mathilde in particular proved herself to Kragg through many events.
Remember when we first encountered Gunnars? Kragg commented that he was only in his second century.

It's just the way Dwarfs are, they think age = worth.
 
I do not disagree completely with that sentence, but Kragg seems to genuinely respect Mathilde and her expertise a lot more than he respects many many dwarves that are much older than her.
I think that's because she's a human Wizard, and thus the calculus for age to worth isn't a one-to-one ratio with dwarf ages. She has proven herself reliable despite the inherent unreliability of her entire race and Wizards specifically, Plus has a lot of experience that even older dwarfs wouldn't get. Like how he mentioned that Thorek annoys him because he spends more time convincing everyone he's a badass Runelord than he does actually being a badass Runelord. So in Kragg's mind, it's probably the quality of age rather than quantity that really matters.
Also pretty much everyone is so much younger than him it's ridiculous.
 
I do not disagree completely with that sentence, but Kragg seems to genuinely respect Mathilde and her expertise a lot more than he respects many many dwarves that are much older than her.
Most dwarves wouldn't have a reputation high enough to override the traditional qualifications of age either. The majority of the exiles had a reputation consisting entirely of having lost their hold.
 
I put it down to Thorgrim being TOO helpful and sending Grandmasters, who proceeded to style over the locals like Kragg does Thorek

I think you're way off base with this, this has nothing to do with that and the council meeting demonstrates conclusively that what is happening is that the workforce from KaK are being assholes because they don't like the culture at K8P, it's a Radicals vs traditionalist split. The example of Zhufbar engineers being told they aren't to be privy to gyrocopter tech for instance because it's a guild secret has nothing to do with the kind of spat Thorek and Kragg had.

A large part of this revolves around the KaK guilds being stubborn snotty assholes that want to put the more radical K8P guild members in their place.
 
I think you're way off base with this, this has nothing to do with that and the council meeting demonstrates conclusively that what is happening is that the workforce from KaK are being assholes because they don't like the culture at K8P, it's a Radicals vs traditionalist split. The example of Zhufbar engineers being told they aren't to be privy to gyrocopter tech for instance because it's a guild secret has nothing to do with the kind of spat Thorek and Kragg had.

A large part of this revolves around the KaK guilds being stubborn snotty assholes that want to put the more radical K8P guild members in their place.
Something similar probably happened with the Weaver's Guild when they decided to disapprove of silk.
 
kragg bullying thorek, i think goes along different lines than the traditional/radical split.
The way i see it is Kragg's Rune of Superior Skill made a statement about Thorek getting too involved in politics and not doing enough Runelording.

Also, while Kragg is a Living Ancestor, Thorek does more good to Karaz Ankor by actually teaching.

I would love to see Thorek and Kragg interact again (hopefully more collaboratively, rather than Kragg taking a massive dump on Thorek). Maybe once we build the Sevir-scope? Or maybe instead of working with Kragg on AV (if we make it our project...) we might work with Thorek, as Kragg might have called dibs on Bok...
 
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