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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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dunk1010 said:
Honestly, I think Is meant to be "You did something we could never do because we are plain unable to see the winds like you do." when she is talking about "lowering ourselves" she is being literal, because high elves are made to use/understand High Magic. Waahg magic is just something they where not made to understand and could not understand.

It is essentially an admittance of "We can't do X. You did X." in flowery elf-speak.
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If it is brought up again in a fairly blatantly insulting way though we could counter with something along the lines of:

"Ah, see, you're thinking the wrong way. You gotta aim waaaaayy higher. I'm talking divine levels high. Merge yourself with a god and take another look, gives you new perspective. It's how I did it."
 
dunk1010 said:
Honestly, I think Is meant to be "You did something we could never do because we are plain unable to see the winds like you do." when she is talking about "lowering ourselves" she is being literal, because high elves are made to use/understand High Magic. Waahg magic is just something they where not made to understand and could not understand.

It is essentially an admittance of "We can't do X. You did X." in flowery elf-speak.
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na, its the pretty Standard Warhammer elf reaction to humans doing something they didn't: Rationalise it in a way that protects their ego. She probably said it quite matter-of-factly, and may even mend it as Actual praise Without actually getting that with a backhanded.

You have to understand when it comes to Warhammer elfs they are all egotists if you are looking at standards of human psychology: everything has to be in the context that reaffirms their superiority or they get really stressed out, angry or depressed.
 
...Did Mathilde's insights actually require thinking like greenskins? I don't think she actually read any transcripts.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
You have to understand when it comes to Warhammer elfs they are all egotists if you are looking at standards of human psychology: everything has to be in the context that reaffirms their superiority or they get really stressed out, angry or depressed.
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The biggest problem with elves is that so much of their arrogance is hubris that when it is genuinely arrogance they dont notice.
 
FallenPears said:
If it is brought up again in a fairly blatantly insulting way though we could counter with something along the lines of:

"Ah, see, you're thinking the wrong way. You gotta aim waaaaayy higher. I'm talking divine levels high. Merge yourself with a god and take another look, gives you new perspective. It's how I did it."
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"So you want to understand the waaagh..." :D
 
FallenPears said:
"Ah, see, you're thinking the wrong way. You gotta aim waaaaayy higher. I'm talking divine levels high. Merge yourself with a god and take another look, gives you new perspective. It's how I did it."
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"and before you try this at home, make sure you have another god who can launder all that power for you, otherwise you'd just blow yourself up, and that'd just be a damn shoddy job for someone who allegedly got advice from me. "
 
So quick question:

What poor soul gets to tell Kragg that the Elves want to do a collaborative project on the Waystones?

I mean, on one hand, holy shit, something nobody else has done.

On the other hand, Elves.
 
Night_stalker said:
So quick question:

What poor soul gets to tell Kragg that the Elves want to do a collaborative project on the Waystones?

I mean, on one hand, holy shit, something nobody else has done.

On the other hand, Elves.
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"Just look on the bright side Kragg, at the absolute worst this is only going to last to the end of my lifespan, and it's not like I'll live forever." Nudges Liber Mortis behind shelf.
 
@BoneyM could Eonir create a Crisis of Faith in the Empire? Once the Elves start worshiping Ulric in full they'll start looking into the god's family too, and that means the study of ancient human religions. That means their scholars will note the similarities between primitive Humanity's nature gods and the Elf Pantheon, more specifically the proto-god Ishernos and the Isha & Kurnous pair. The elves could conclude with reason that Taal and Rhya (created as the Cult of Ishernos split in two) are distorted human renditions of Isha and Kurnous. If this info gets out then it could spark a hellish sectarian strife amongst Middenlanders and Talabeclanders, with Sigmarites spreading fires everywhere to discredit the older Cults as inhuman and foreign.

EDIT: Apparently Middenlander hunters and trappers sometimes call Taal "Karnos". Well then.
 
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HanEmpire said:
@BoneyM could Eonir create a Crisis of Faith in the Empire? Once the Elves start worshiping Ulric in full they'll start looking into the god's family too, and that means the study of ancient human religions. That means their scholars will note the similarities between the primitive Humanity's nature gods and the Elf Pantheon, more specifically the proto-god Ishernos and the Isha & Kurnous pair. The elves could conclude with reason that Taal and Rhya (created as the Cult of Ishernos split in two) are distorted human renditions of Isha and Kurnous. If this info gets out then it could spark a hellish sectarian strife amongst Middenlanders and Talabeclanders, with Sigmarites spreading fires everywhere to discredit the older Cults as inhuman and foreign.
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I don't think most humans care what Elves think.
 
HanEmpire said:
@BoneyM could Eonir create a Crisis of Faith in the Empire? Once the Elves start worshiping Ulric in full they'll start looking into the god's family too, and that means the study of ancient human religions. That means their scholars will note the similarities between the primitive Humanity's nature gods and the Elf Pantheon, more specifically the proto-god Ishernos and the Isha & Kurnous pair. The elves could conclude with reason that Taal and Rhya (created as the Cult of Ishernos split in two) are distorted human renditions of Isha and Kurnous. If this info gets out then it could spark a hellish sectarian strife amongst Middenlanders and Talabeclanders, with Sigmarites spreading fires everywhere to discredit the older Cults as inhuman and foreign.
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I don't think boney is going to comment on the results of an active, in game, development.

like, this is one of the questions of the plotline.
 
undead frog said:
I mean it's important to remember that Elves are pretty much built from the ground up for the Winds of Magic systeam which the greenskins don't really use with their own WAAAAGH! style of casting, what happened with Math could very well be impossible for actual elves given the natural defenses they have against those sorts of shenangans.
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No. People keep making this mistake. The elves predate the Winds of Magic. The elves were built to manipulate whatever pre-magic energies that the Old Ones made available though the geomantic web.
 
FallenPears said:
If it is brought up again in a fairly blatantly insulting way though we could counter with something along the lines of:

"Ah, see, you're thinking the wrong way. You gotta aim waaaaayy higher. I'm talking divine levels high. Merge yourself with a god and take another look, gives you new perspective. It's how I did it."
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It really is not a insulting way to say that that as much of a defensive one.

Besides that, do you really think Orcs as "Highborn" creatures? Assuming that orcs are low and base is at best an insult to Orcs. Now, you could also take it as an insult to humans but to be frank it is not much of an insult.

Not to say she does not think us a lesser being, she probably does because she is an elf, but this is NOT a that bad. It is mildly insulting AT BEST if you hop a few platforms.

Like, really? She is acting rather ridiculously respectful to us for a Forest/Elf hybrid. It might be an act but why is everyone just assuming that she is insulting us so horribly? Would you prefer for her to wave a giant prize/shiny in front of our face, vaguely hint to what she wants us to do, say a bunch of nothing and then send us on our way?
 
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GreenTamm said:
OTOH, it shows @BoneyM 's skill as a writer that the Ulricans aren't wearing an idiot hat. Its not like the ulricans are using swords to fight against robot armies with Laserrifles
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I mean...it works.

picklepikkl said:
Plan Pickle's Preference:
  • Linguistics (Dwarf Antiquarian) -- 100gc, 2DF
  • The Eonir* (Imperial Extensive & Esoteric, Dwarf Extensive) -- 350gc
  • Waystones (Imperial Extensive, Dwarf Extensive) -- 200gc
Out of pocket cost is 350gc. Linguistics is still our assigned task for the coming turn, most probably, and we want to knock the Queekish dictionaries out of the park when we write them (whether that be this coming turn or later), so it gets preference in our Dwarf Favour utilization. Grabbing as much as possible without spending Favour on Eonir and waystones; waystones are magical, so rare Imperial books cost College Favour. If we decide to actually pick this up as a task in the future, then we can (and should) spend some of our Favour on this out-of-pocket, but we aren't in a rush.
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Ulricans are an entire side of this political mess and it looks like we're gonna have to get involved with the politics soon, so I think we should get books on him too. Also, don't forget about Bretonnia. We can get books up to Extensive from them. (Except for magic books, though god books are exempt from this exemption.)
 
GreenTamm said:
Personally I find it very unlikeley that Eonir leadership is not aware of the Winter Wolves and the villagers pulling a fast one. But just because you are aware of something, doesn't mean you need to kick up a fuss over it as long as everybody maintains the polite fiction of not knowing.
Or in other words: The Eonir have savy politicians too.

Maybe I'm giving the Al-Ulric to much credit, but I feel he may have even gambled on the Winter Wolves doing what they did. You don't work with a person closeley for years and are then surprised they did not kill inocent people. It might even be why he explicitly sent the Winter Wolves instead of another armed group such as the army.
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True enough, I too would be unsurprised if some of the Eonir leadership knew what happened there. But that doesn't necessarily make it a simple polite fiction. There could be (and likely is) some degree of isolationist movement not exactly thrilled with current policy, and that movement might kick up a fuss over this if it became widely known- or even individual actors. For all that I doubt the Eonir are as prideful as any of the big 3 Elf factions, it only takes one to blow the issue out of proportion.

Given how precarious negotiations will be with the Dwarfs anyways, I doubt they put anyone that foolish near K8P, but if we want to actively help make this work we have to consider the angle that the Eonir aren't monolithic and what any alternative agendas might be.
 
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