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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[X] Roswita, as she rides out the chaos of the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child
 
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[X] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.

[X] Francesco Caravello, proud leader of the Undumgi
[X] Oswald Oswaldson, newly-minted Chief Bombardier of the Undumgi
[X] Soizic, sparring partner and possible 'sparring partner' of your duckling Hubert.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.

[X] Karak Hirn, to satisfy your curiousity about Prince Ulthar.

[X] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child

[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.

[X] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.
 
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LightLan said:
I am thinking of some more believable lies.
Let's consider the situation:
We got him in confinement for 6 months already. So during our next action he will be anywhere between 6-12 months inside there.
He has likely learned nothing of what happened outside since.

He has only emotionally reacted when we did not call Mors a traitor Clan.

So one day we walk inside looking a bit more harried than usual, though trying to hide it.
Lies:
1) Mors took out Skryre.
2) Eshin is hardpressed since they are now alone.
3) We are now faced with potentially facing a (more) united underground of Mors against 8Peaks.
4) We only want the language to better counteract Mors, promise.

Adjust for factions as necessary depending on what Dreng finds during scouting.
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Do take into account that we're presenting from strength and that Mors taking out Skyre any time sooner than a 2-3 year span would fall under unbelievable, Mors just plain lacks the manpower, even if he believes that we think its true.

We'd be able to try that lie, but it'd take more information on the Peaks region before we can construct one that isn't flimsy
 
veekie said:
Do take into account that we're presenting from strength and that Mors taking out Skyre any time sooner than a 2-3 year span would fall under unbelievable, Mors just plain lacks the manpower, even if he believes that we think its true.

We'd be able to try that lie, but it'd take more information on the Peaks region before we can construct one that isn't flimsy
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Moulder was holding firm and fell very suddenly because they got ganked from three sides, I don't consider such a thing unbelievable.
 
BoneyM said:
[Max's Gyrocopter Adventure: 12]

"Nothing?" you repeat.

"Not a thing," the pilot confirms. "West to Morgheim, south to Azgal, nothing. Karag Dron, the Ulrikadrin have the Dragon Ogres keeping their heads down. Iron Rock, not a peep. Even went all the way out to Crookback Mountain. It's like all the greenskins and Skaven have decided to stop plaguing the world."

You consider Mork's recent weakening, and the unseen civil war among the Skaven. "Ah."

Maximilian haunts Karag Nar like a sulky ghost for weeks afterwards, pouting and periodically obliterating a target with the Silver Arrows he never got to fire from a gyrocopter.
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Poor Max. While Johann is unlocking Kung Fu, he is staring at an empty wasteland. Sorry, but next turn it's back to work.

veekie said:
Skull throne is too awesome to use there, we want it to be SEEN.
We use it in the sitting room where the ducklings get to watch. Bonus if we put it in a shady corner so we can Invisibility our way behind it and Substance of Shadow into it, then open it like we were there the whole time.
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"You are probably wondering why I've gathered you all here today."
 
ChronOblivion said:
Poor Max. While Johann is unlocking Kung Fu, he is staring at an empty wasteland. Sorry, but next turn it's back to work.
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I maintain that this is the universe punishing us for not trusting him to analyze skaven poison.
ChronOblivion said:
"You are probably wondering why I've gathered you all here today."
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hell yes this needs to happen
wrecksalot said:
We could have an illusion of the chair being turned around, that way we could still see what was happening.
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hell yes
ok next turn we're using our spell training on Illusion and eating the nega-trait from no Invisibility, being able to do this is way more important
Briefvoice said:
Honestly, I'd rather leave it up to Mathilde and her IC knowledge and judgment rather than try to come up with believable lies as a player. If it's some kind of top-level strategy question, sure BoneyM can ask us. But let's just leave it up to the character otherwise.
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We're required to describe what kind of lies we use Deceiver to tell.
BoneyM said:
[ ] The Deceiver: describe how this will be used.
Lies you have developed beforehand will be delivered perfectly. The listener may believe you to be mistaken, but they will never believe that you are lying. Cannot be used to tell truths.
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Though it's unclear how specific we need to get.
 
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[X] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[X] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
[X] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.
 
BoneyM said:
Everyone's answer is going to be based on their own relationship with Ulgu, and none of them are going to be based on Mathilde's, and most of them are going to be the party line of 'if you think you can handle it, hell yes, if you don't, hell no'. Magic varies hugely from person to person, and the only person who's insight is even slightly relevant to Mathilde is Regimand's because he taught her, and he's spoken his piece
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Is there any reason for Mathilde to believe that talking to a broad selection of Magisters and Magister Lords about their take on Uglu would (or wouldn't) broaden her own understanding of the Wind?
 
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Briefvoice said:
Honestly, I'd rather leave it up to Mathilde and her IC knowledge and judgment rather than try to come up with believable lies as a player. If it's some kind of top-level strategy question, sure BoneyM can ask us. But let's just leave it up to the character otherwise.
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as the vote is currently structured we are required to come up with the lie(s) though.
and even then arguments for courses of action can affect Mathilde's thoughts and approaches.
 
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
Belebro must be comforted.
[X] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
We really haven't spoken to these folk in a long while, we should check in on them

[X] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.
 
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[x] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[x] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.
[x] Soizic, sparring partner and possible 'sparring partner' of your duckling Hubert.
[x] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[x] Check in on the Gong Farmers and the Niter Factory.

[x] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.
 
That Skryre fell is probably an unbelievable lie, but that it's falling, and that Mors is expanding now that they have less fronts? That's very plausible. Just say that there's less fighting between Mors and the Black Krag than expected.
 
No option to spend time with the Best Dwarf? Me sad.

[] King Kazador
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[X] Roswita, as she rides out the chaos of the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Kasmir, to see if he rejoined the Council of Stirland.
 
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[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
Gotta hang with Belebro. Hopefully having the option to melt armies in the general vicinity will help relieve some stress, even if not the primary source

[X] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.
Not really sure if this is better for getting to know her than the romance option, but it's winning.

[X] Gunnars, to see if you can pierce his terse nature.
He's a mystery. Grey Wizards and cats like to poke mysteries.

[X] Soizic, sparring partner and possible 'sparring partner' of your duckling Hubert.
Must find out if she's good enough for our duckling! Also, might be fun to spar a bit.
@BoneyM - Does Branalhune have a "Sparring" setting, or is it all-kill, all the time? Also, if it's sheathed, does it take the sheath with it when it Goes Away with the Rune of the Unknown?

[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.
Wolf needs company. Also, I would like to see more of how they're settling in.

[X] Karak Hirn, to satisfy your curiousity about Prince Ulthar.
Ulthar was cool. Also, poke the mystery.

[X] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
Because why would I ever vote against seeing more of Algard?

[X] Wilhelmina, to see how she's going when she's not a terrifying financial juggernaut.
Possibility of seeing her outside of business? Yes. I'd really like for her to have more of a life than business and being disappointed by her kids.

[X] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child
Can we gloat over the doomtower? Maybe a little.

Also, once the tower is complete, especially if we manage to get it working at night as well, I think the map of the Silk Road will have to be changed again... the area of Death Pass that it covers will be in blue. Because that's Karag Eight Peaks territory, anyone else exists at our discretion. And it amuses me that we'll be one-upping Karaz-a-Karak, in terms of having a safer route for the Silk Road. Have to add signal flares to the Undumgi equipment list, to call for help, if they don't already have them.

Of course, once we take Karag Zilfin, if Belegar decides he wants to weaponize that mountain as well, that will cover all the western approaches, and if we can get it linked into the sun-moving enchantment, it will make the Karag Drazh orcs have a Very Bad Time of it. If, that is, my reading of the maps is right, and there aren't many significant mountains between K8P and Karag Drazh or the Badlands.
Hm. I have to wonder, how far would Karag Zilfin's shadow extend into the Badlands?
 
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith
[X] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child
[X] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[X] Roswita, as she rides out the chaos of the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.
 
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[X] Wilhelmina, to see how she's going when she's not a terrifying financial juggernaut.
[X] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[X] Sir Ruprecht Wulfhart, as the new home of the Winter Wolves takes shape.
[X] Anton, to see how his firearm factory is going.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.

[X] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.
 
Enerael said:
No option to spend time with the Best Dwarf? Me sad.

[X] King Kazarik
[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[X] Roswita, as she rides out the chaos of the influx of Battle Wizards.
[X] Kasmir, to see if he rejoined the Council of Stirland.
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There was a QM post about this:
BoneyM said:
When people are important and busy on the level of Kings and Kragg there's only really social situations when there's recent events that suggest them.
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(I assume you meant Kazador with your vote for Kazarik.)

Personally, I am fine with this. Let's not overexpose the hype. I am pretty sure we'll get Kazador on screen when it comes time to test-fire Zharrvengryn.
 
picklepikkl said:
I've been musing about the social turns this morning. I think that some of the disconnects people are having come from there being several different motivations for seeing a social scene, which I will now attempt to classify as Engagement, Discovery, and Closure.

Engagement
You like something. You know you like it. The opportunity arises to see more of it. You HIT SUBSCRIBE and DESTROY THAT LIKE BUTTON. Pretty straightforward; it is a vote for more engagement with a thing you know you enjoy. Probably if you are Engaged with something, you will continue to be Engaged with it.

Discovery
You are curious about something. You haven't seen enough of it to develop an informed opinion, but you would like to know more so you can figure out if it's something you can set aside or if you want to transition to a pattern of Engagement.

Closure
A thing happened; it might have been recently, it might have been a while ago. An opportunity arises to achieve some degree of resolution, allowing the open question to be tied up. One-and-done.

Last turn, we did these:
  • Heidi. I voted for this to achieve Closure -- she was a weird side character who we'd just gotten two back-to-back staggering revelations about.
  • Roswita (book scene). Again, I voted for this for Closure. Our dismissal from her service was a major turning point for Mathilde, and having a real conversation with her, about herself, her father, and rulership, was something I was jumping up and down for, to properly bookend that narrative arc.
  • Karak Kadrin. I didn't vote for this, but I'd call it Closure/Discovery: it was closure on Alkharad, closure on the tense relationship with the Slayer Keep that people had been wondering about since Belegar's showdown with the High King, and interest in how exactly a grudge-erasing works, since we didn't get to see it at Karaz-a-Karak.
  • Kragg the Grim. Pure Engagement. We love Kragg. I love Kragg. I have made no secret of my desire to adopt him as our curmudgeonly grandpa. Like 80% of my desire for Mathilde to have a reproductively viable relationship is so that I can get the scene where we drop a baby on his lap and he reacts to that. I have a hard time not pushing the Kragg button any time it's available.
  • Kasmir. Closure. We'd wondered what the hell was up with him for a while.
And the four solid frontrunners this time (there is a gap of 20 votes between 4th place and 5th place, larger than the gap between 1st and 4th):
  • Belegar. Engagement. Our boss is having a rough time. We want to understand it.
  • Algard. Closure/Engagement. We paid good Favour to get our other boss out here; he is a really neat character that people enjoy seeing, and also this turn we have done something relevant to his interests. Before he goes back to Altdorf and his busy schedule, people want to talk to him about it.
  • Heidi. Engagement. People love Heidi. People fear Heidi. Heidi doesn't care. Heidi gives no fucks. Heidi is the Chosen of Ranald. (Also, if this quest keeps going, this baby might be our sovereign one day.)
  • Edda. Discovery/Engagement. We've been curious about her for a while, and the situation with the Undumgi is providing fuel for that. Also, people want to engage with the weaving situation.
And the three strongest contenders for fifth place, at time of writing:
  • Roswita (battle wizard scene). Engagement. People like Roswita now and are curious about the Sylvanian situation.
  • Stirland fief. Closure. We haven't been back since we became a Magister. What's going on? How has our steward done in our absence? Is it still a shithole, or did the economic improvements we paid for make a difference? It's a common question that people have when new to the thread: what happened to the fief?
  • Oswald Oswaldson. Discovery, with a hint of Engagement. What is this mad lad's deal? Who is the man behind the memes? What did his cat do to get busted down to Corporal?
From this survey I observe the following two things:
  • Discovery is really hard to get off the ground without other hooks. People in this thread are saying "I don't want to spend a social action on someone who just exists near me," and I see where they're coming from. With limited time for the QM to write, we have to decide what to focus on, and selling pure Discovery is basically impossible: it can get support, however, if there is a mix-in of more recent events that questers want to Engage with or get Closure on (cf. the Edda/Karak Kadrin votes).
  • Questers will jump hard for social scenes that give rewards/information that they're going to get anyway. Last turn we went to Karak Kadrin, despite the fact that we were getting the Dwarf Favour anyway; this turn we're hanging out with Edda to investigate the weaver situation, despite the fact that the EIC is giving us that information anyway, and we are strongly considering hanging out with Roswita, despite the fact that we're going to get information about the Sylvanian campaign anyway. @noliar made a couple of posts annoyed about this: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he feels it's an action tax, since we already paid EIC actions to get that information and now we're paying social actions to get it slightly sooner. I am not sure what to make of it, other than the hypothesis "if we're going to get rewarded or infodumped, we prefer that it happen onscreen so that we can bask in our awesomeness/smugness."
Now, obviously, I'm generalizing from very few data points, a Statistics Sin for which I will undoubtedly be sent to Science Hell. But this has been nagging at me since I woke up, and as I processed it internally, I figured the thread might appreciate it as well.
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I'm gonna go over my thoughts as I vote (and I don't vote often) to point out a dimension you seem to have forgotten, and to adjust some details.

[X] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.

Engagement. Completely agree with you here, given he's always available, and the crisis is unlikely to resolve itself instantly.

[X] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child

Discovery, Engagement, Uniqueness. While Heidi has some Engagement (She's the only other Ranaldite we know, and something of another Protagonist), she's also quite Unique (unless specific situations happen, we won't be meeting her) and a source of Discovery (The prime Movers and Shakers of Altdorf are going to be involved in something like this, and a new important character, the Future Emperor/Empress, is going to be born).

[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.

Discovery, Engagement. While one of the less Unique things that can be chosen, it's been a long while since we had any information coming out of there, and there might be issues we need to solve. Having this every 4 to six turn might be a good idea.

[X] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.

Discovery, Engagement, Uniqueness. We won't have access to our Patriarch all the time, barely know anything about him outside his legend, and he is something like a Grey! Does not disapprove! Human! Kragg. Unsurprising that he's winning.

[X] The Amber College, to see how your donation of Lustrian eggs is going.

Discovery, Closure. We find out what we missed (and on the same turn as the wolf-rats, which I find fitting) and put that behind us.

[X] No. Mathilde's dragon skull chair belongs only to Mathilde.

Dwarves using the tower wouldn't appreciate a good Dragon Throne.
 
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