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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Captainwolf said:
I wish people would stop adding tags. The entire point of the tags is to make it easier to find similar stories, not to be used for stupid memes.
I mean, of the 15 tags this quest currently has, 11 of them are completely fucking useless for finding other similar quests, and will probably never be relevant to any other quest.
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If they wanted the tag feature to be useful, it wouldn't be a paid feature.

Wiadi said:
Okay but like, it's not as if the extra tags make things any harder to find, so what's the harm in people using them to meme?
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It makes it hard to discern useful tags from useless tags.
 
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picklepikkl said:
People were really skittish about putting Max on the job, apparently. I have spoken about this at length, so I will try not to repeat myself too much. It's not a big deal. Next turn Johann will be done with punching and can go back to analysis, and maybe we can give Max a paper to write or have him study the firearms while Johann studies the throwing star.

...it's going to take a long-ass time to work through our item research backlog if we never let Max do any of the skaven stuff, though. I hope a sizable contingent of voters didn't object to Max doing research and just wanted him to have nice things because he's a good lad.
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From Children of the Horned Rat, about skaven:

When they do leave corpses behind, usually in isolated communities, their reliance on Warpstone weapons and technology is typically evident in the carnage. Flesh turns black and blisters when hit with the terrible fire of a warp-pistol, and whole landscapes may be similarly affected by the payload of the Warpfire Cannon. If there are any survivors, they will almost certainly be mutated after their exposure, as may many other unfortunates living nearby. In such cases, the entire area may need to be burned clean and the Mutants put to the sword as soon as possible. Such is the dark shadow of the Skaven.​

Skaven refined warpstone is less bad than raw warpstone, according to BoneyM. That's probably a relative judgement.
 
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...whoever just added the "captain wolf hates meme tags" tag, that's slightly amusing, but using the tags to tease a specific other user is kind of a dick move.

(FWIW, I like the meme tags, I bought a month of premium specifically so I could add "try it and find out" as a tag. Thread culture is a nice thing and I'm glad we have it.)
Alratan said:
When they do leave corpses behind, usually in isolated communities, their reliance on Warpstone weapons and technology is typically evident in the carnage. Flesh turns black and blisters when hit with the terrible fire of a warp-pistol, and whole landscapes may be similarly affected by the payload of the Warpfire Cannon. If there are any survivors, they will almost certainly be mutated after their exposure, as may many other unfortunates living nearby. In such cases, the entire area may need to be burned clean and the Mutants put to the sword as soon as possible. Such is the dark shadow of the Skaven.
Skaven refined warpstone is less bad than raw warpstone. That's a clearly relative judgement.
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Sure, but that's for getting shot with the stuff, not for just, like being next to a skaven pistol.

I maintain that if it were that incredibly dangerous to just be around, Max would not even have been a candidate for researching it, which he has since we got it.
 
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High Magic, also called True Magic or Qhaysh, is the art of using all of the Winds of Magic in harmony and unison, creating some of the most powerful spells known to mortal-kind. Exclusive to High Elves, Wood Elves, Slann, and the Skinks of Lustria, spells from High Magic are powerful, beyond the ken of Human minds and ability. In fact, the spells Teclis taught the Human Wizards were but minor spells of True Magic. Teclis' Human students revealed they lacked the finesse at manipulating anything more complicated than what could be achieved through a single Wind. The reason is because High Elves are better suited to sensing the ebb and flow of the Winds of Magic better than any other race, anticipating dangerous changes before they occur. Its polar opposite is True Dhar.
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Is there any chance of us learning how to do this eventually with the combination of our skill at magesight/windsage and our dwarf gifted belt that protects us from Dhar corruption?
 
Meme tags are great and don't hurt anybody intrinsically, but please don't make meme tags about posters if they'd be upset about them; it turns a nice thing into a mean thing.
 
picklepikkl said:
...whoever just added the "captain wolf hates meme tags" tag, that's slightly amusing, but using the tags to tease a specific other user is kind of a dick move.
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I've just removed it.

If there's any tags people think might be helpful for finding similar quests let me know and I'll add them, but apart from 'ck2' and 'warhammer' none leap to mind for me and I'm happy for the rest of it to be used to memorialize entertaining or important events.
 
Captainwolf said:
I wish people would stop adding tags. The entire point of the tags is to make it easier to find similar stories, not to be used for stupid memes.
I mean, of the 15 tags this quest currently has, 11 of them are completely fucking useless for finding other similar quests, and will probably never be relevant to any other quest.
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Sure we can... they probably make great implements for torture
 
Alratan said:
Before posting I reread every single mention of Algard in a threadmarked post by BoneyM and there's not even a hint of such a thing. So, no, it hasn't come up anywhere in the quest. As far as I can see people have just taken metaknowledge of already averted future events and projected it on the quest without any evidence whatsoever.

This is a man who has a literal open door policy for his juniors, who openly walks around the seat of Imperial government meeting other senior officials. He clearly hasn't vanished as far the Empire's leadership is concerned.
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Yes. And in the same update that mentions his open door policy its mentioned he keeps mentions of how many raiders and other asshats his Screaming towers lured in. The screaming towers are mentioned in the same update where we meet one of those magister lords as one of the legendary deeds performed by our esteemed colleagues. So apparently, search harder.
 
What's known to wizards and the Colleges is different to what's known to random citizens of Altdorf is different to what's known to assholes in the Chaos Wastes with more ambition than sense.
 
Redshirt Army said:


i broke out an image editor for this
you better appreciate it
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*starts twitching as the curse eats his brain*


In other things.

BoneyM said:
A sudden mist materializes, doing nothing to block your Magesight. A painter carrying a precariously large bucket of whitewash totters towards you, until your glare overrides the set of coincidences that had set him on a collision course with you and he carefully avoids you, and inadvertently avoids the loose cobble that had been firmly attached to the ground a moment ago.
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This is a fun tidbit about Mathilde glaring a spell into submission, which is both very human and very dwarf. "NO! You will behave you damn spell!"
 
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pucflek said:
Yes. And in the same update that mentions his open door policy its mentioned he keeps mentions of how many raiders and other asshats his Screaming towers lured in. The screaming towers are mentioned in the same update where we meet one of those magister lords as one of the legendary deeds performed by our esteemed colleagues. So apparently, search harder.
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OK, but as someone who didn't know anything about the canon before reading this thread, all I got out of the updates that have mentioned Algard was that "he has a thing called Screaming Towers." Not that their existence implies he was pretending to be dead for some reason.
BungieONI said:
This is a fun tidbit about Mathilde glaring, which is both very human and very dwarf. "NO! You will behave you damn spell!"
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I've been reading it as a sign of Mathilde's growing dwarfy attitudes. Expecting magic to sit down and shut up when you give it a stern look is a runesmith attitude. She might still be a Wind-user, but her focuses on dispelling and crushing miscasts before they can do harm seem to be moving her in a very Kragg direction when it comes to her approach to magic.
 
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BungieONI said:
This is a fun tidbit about Mathilde glaring, which is both very human and very dwarf. "NO! You will behave you damn spell!"
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I am somewhat reminded of our first encounter with Kragg. Y'know, when Ulgu decided to curl up and cry in the corner... is Kragg rubbing of on Mathilde? He really is Dwarf Sempai, isn't he?
 
chocolote12 said:
I think we just glared at the guy, not the spell. The spell was already reacting to our gaze, otherwise it would have let up after that.
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Well yes, but it reads as glaring so hard you override the coincidence and thus the spell imposing it with sheer annoyance which is hilarious.
 
picklepikkl said:
Sure, but that's for getting shot with the stuff, not for just, like being next to a skaven pistol.

I maintain that if it were that incredibly dangerous to just be around, Max would not even have been a candidate for researching it, which he has since we got it.
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Look at the quote again. It's not just for being shot with the stuff:

If there are any survivors, they will almost certainly be mutated after their exposure, as may many other unfortunates living nearby​

According to the roleplay rules, being exposed to refined warpstone requires taking a Toughness test to avoid gaining a mutation. Raw warpstone is much worse. Touching it causes a unhealable Wound and you automatically gain a mutation.

Warpstone weapons are riffing off dirty bombs and are part of the entire skaven-pollution-downsides-of-mad-science narrative they have going on.

pucflek said:
Yes. And in the same update that mentions his open door policy its mentioned he keeps mentions of how many raiders and other asshats his Screaming towers lured in. The screaming towers are mentioned in the same update where we meet one of those magister lords as one of the legendary deeds performed by our esteemed colleagues. So apparently, search harder.
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Why would Chaos Sorcerers only try to steal his stuff if he was pretending to be dead? How would a Norscan or steppe chaos warband even know whether the Grey Patriarch was pretending to be dead or not, or which Grey Patriarch built the screaming towers? They can explicitly sense the arcane knowledge within and that attracts them.

The fact that he's built his towers has literally nothing to do whether he's playing dead. The towers exist. At some point in an averted future he would have vanished and a new Patriarch would have been appointed. These two facts have no known connection.
 
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BoneyM said:
I've just removed it.

If there's any tags people think might be helpful for finding similar quests let me know and I'll add them, but apart from 'ck2' and 'warhammer' none leap to mind for me and I'm happy for the rest of it to be used to memorialize entertaining or important events.
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It is not all that specific, but the tag marking works starring women is pretty common and missing here.
 
picklepikkl said:
OK, but as someone who didn't know anything about the canon before reading this thread, all I got out of the updates that have mentioned Algard was that "he has a thing called Screaming Towers." Not that their existence implies he was pretending to be dead for some reason.
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I mean, yeah, thats fair. But so is reading what other people are saying. Its not as if Redshirt and Bungie pull lore bullshit out of their backsides.
 
pucflek said:
I mean, yeah, thats fair. But so is reading what other people are saying. Its not as if Redshirt and Bungie pull lore bullshit out of their backsides.
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We've been repeatedly told off about using metaknowledge about canon events that happened after the start of the quest, and even events that happened before have been shown to be completely different, such as the Bretonnian Errantry War ending well before the quest started when in canon they'd have ended eight years in the future from now.
 
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I knew nothing about Warhammer Fantasy before I started reading this thread, and only basic stuff about 40k through osmosis. It's not like I'm some kind of lore dispenser, I just read the entire thread because that's how I engage with quests, and a bunch of people brought it up following updates starring Algard. Well, that and I read the wiki once I started following the quest.
 
I had pair of character knowledge question @BoneyM, does Mathilde know of any kind of Ulgu warmachine or weapon used by the Grey College and if yes what details are known to her if any? If she doesn't know does she think its theoretically plausible and grounded?
 
I'd like to note that Storm of Magic makes no mention of Algard being the Patriarch before he mysteriously vanished.

In fact, I suspect that him faking his death to lure chaos armies to their doom is what made him get elected as the patriarch.

And while I remember Algard keeping an open door policy, I also seem to remember that early apprentice Mathilde had no idea who the grey patriarch is - although I am not prepared to dig for that quote.

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Bless the search function
BoneyM said:
Patriarch, which might become relevant one day should you learn who the Patriarch actually is.
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The identity of the Grey Patriarch is classified enough that grey apprentices do not get access to it.

I wonder, how does at mix with open door policy? A lot of mindholes? Or doors are open only for magisters?
 
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