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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Valmond said:
Flying boat.
The very idea that Empire is capable of making flying warships would worry Marienburg.
Also making the Empire aware that, hey, we could make flying warships, is definitely worth doing.
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It would be really funny if this sparked an aero-naval arms race between the Empire and Marienburg, with the Directorate buying flying ships from the Asur* to close the skyship gap 1910s style.

*High Elves 8th edition Armybook pg.12
 
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DragonParadox said:
Of course we would, but the Templars would still show up. Us stopping them (or trying to at least) would itself be a scandal. 'Wizard opposed cult of Man God ministering to the souls of the Faithful'
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And then we'd just point to the officially sanctioned witch hunters already filling the role and then it just becomes a jurisdiction squabble, which is significantly less troublesome.

It's getting late for me and this entire scenario is rather far in the future if it ever comes at all, so let's shelve this for now and come back to it if it ever becomes relevant.
 
Godwinson said:
I can't say that I'm terribly thrilled that the reward vote for the AV line of development has turned into a stealth "pick the next arc(s)" vote, from the airship and flying tower to the elector-countess.
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Choices are always made under the influence of the past and in anticipation of the future. I don't think there's any way around that unless the thread pivots from the quest and we try to collectively achieve enlightenment and escape the cycle of samsara.
 
Just had an odd thought about that Norland Hedgewise development Boney was hinting at before. What if the Elector Count of Norland is pushing for legalization of the Hedgewise? I mean think about it:
  1. They are regionally focused so if they did become legal most of their magical skill would be in the service of Norland
  2. They are already members in good standing of the Project offering a counterbalance to the elves who hate his guts so the EC might not have to negotiate from his knees
  3. As a technically proscribed group the Hedgewise is one of the few members he can actually offer a carrot to from his weakened position
 
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[X] Elector-Countess
[X] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
[X] Enchant We-Silk Robes as best as Collegiate is able

EC is my first choice. That sounds like a fun arc full of action, diplomacy and favour-trading.
The Pickle Plan is the sane compromise approval vote. The super-robe is a bit bland, but it has the cool parts of the armour without the aesthetic clash.
 
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Ness said:
The armor of Von Taurus is sweet, but frankly a flying ship is far sweeter, and the armor already exists, even if Mathilde wont be using it, whereas the ship would be the creation of something wholly new
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Its a mite too long to say as much, but picking We-Silk Robes to enchant by colleges was a valid option and it would have resulted in shit that was beyond Mathilde's ability to make.

Something like

[]Enchant We-Silk Robes as best as Collegiate is able

Would likely produce some new wonder in personal defence.
 
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Phew. I have caught up at last. Gotta say, not feeling the skyship. Guess I'll go...

[x] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
[x] Break College Favor/ Tenure
[x] Support in dispatching Battle Wizards to one major conflict of Mathilde's choice
[x] permission to read the book of Volans
[x] Dispensation to study methods of destroying or beneficially transforming Dhar
 
shepsquared said:
Fooger is going to laugh when he hears that people think someone copying Fozzrick is going to threaten Marienburg. And then harrumph when some 50 year old human panics and tries to sabotage said ship.
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While flying boats would not make any real dent on Marienburg's trade (not enough wizards to go around).
They do have potential military implications that effectively make almost all of Marienburg's normal defenses more or less useless.

Gates? Mines? Swamp? Who cares, just fly over and barrage with canons.
Now, it does not make Marienburg easy pickings, they do have canons, they do have wizards, they may or may not have elves, and the money to hire mercenaries, some of whom have flying mounts (or in Deathfangs case, a pet elf).
But it does make them less secure from any possible military actions from the empire, and makes their ability to control Empire's fleet movements much weaker.
Suddenly, Empire can field naval units where they want, when they want.
If the empire, for instance, wanted to try again to make a second major harbor somewhere along the coast, Marienburg would have much harder time to fuck that up.
 
DragonParadox said:
Just had an odd thought about that Norland Hedgewise development Boney was hinting at before. What if the Elector Count of Norland is pushing for legalization of the Hedgewise?
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It would be an interesting move on Nordland's part. It would get them magical support that could probably be counted on to back them if it comes to blows - they live in nordland after all - and that have unique capabilities outside the college wheelhouse. It could also be a signal that he has given up on reclaiming laurelorn - at least in the short/medium term - and intends to pivot to carving territory out of the Forest of Shadows, for which the hedgewise would be an invaluable asset. He'd probably do it under the auspices of ackowledging the divine miracles of the goddess Haletha, rather than blatantly legalizing the hedgewise (which would run afoul of the articles of magic). So they would function as another empire cult rather than a branch of the hedgewise - at least on paper.
 
Boney said:
Choices are always made under the influence of the past and in anticipation of the future. I don't think there's any way around that unless the thread pivots from the quest and we try to collectively achieve enlightenment and escape the cycle of samsara.
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You're right, but I almost wish that it had somehow been feasible for you to defer this until the arc-pivot, like how you had with the transition between K8P and Waystone Project.
 
Valmond said:
While flying boats would not make any real dent on Marienburg's trade (not enough wizards to go around).
They do have potential military implications that effectively make almost all of Marienburg's normal defenses more or less useless.

Gates? Mines? Swamp? Who cares, just fly over and barrage with canons.
Now, it does not make Marienburg easy pickings, they do have canons, they do have wizards, they may or may not have elves, and the money to hire mercenaries, some of whom have flying mounts (or in Deathfangs case, a pet elf).
But it does make them less secure from any possible military actions from the empire, and makes their ability to control Empire's fleet movements much weaker.
Suddenly, Empire can field naval units where they want, when they want.
If the empire, for instance, wanted to try again to make a second major harbor somewhere along the coast, Marienburg would have much harder time to fuck that up.
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My point is that there's a massive leap between a single flying ship, produced by the 8 colleges of magic collaborating and pouring resources into it existing, and airships being produced in any real numbers.

The vote calls for it to look as magical as possible and potentially be crewed with Perpetuals, the result is way more likely to be a one off like Fozzrick's Flying Castle instead of being the new gyrocopters.
 
I have an odd idea that empress Heidi etc probably would be greatly interested in a wizard--any wizard--holding a high political position in the Empire such as an Elector Countship in order to normalize wizards holding power in the empire.

it would be far less controversial for Manfred to assume power if all the elector counts have had a good couple years getting used to a wizard sitting across from them at the electors meet.

That the elector count vote option would potentially make Mathilde that countess would simply be even more convenient. I refrain from voting at this time.
 
Nanitesystems said:
I have an odd idea that empress Heidi etc probably would be greatly interested in a wizard--any wizard--holding a high political position in the Empire such as an Elector Countship in order to normalize wizards holding power in the empire.

it would be far less controversial for Manfred to assume power if all the elector counts have had a good couple years getting used to a wizard sitting across from them at the electors meet.

That the elector count vote option would potentially make Mathilde that countess would simply be even more convenient. I refrain from voting at this time.
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This is again assuming that we can not only conquer the Forest of Shadows, but can do it in less time than it takes Lutipolid to die. I do not think that is a given so at most it would be a secondary concern to Heidi, though of course she would not mind having another political ally to help Mandred.
 
Hydroplatypus said:
He'd probably do it under the auspices of ackowledging the divine miracles of the goddess Haletha, rather than blatantly legalizing the hedgewise (which would run afoul of the articles of magic).
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Elementalists already set the precedent that magic can be legalized outside the articles, he'd just be claiming a power that previously had been reserved for the emperor.

Haletha Miracles still has the problem of "hey non-halethans are doing the same thing." The elector count himself might be willing to ignore that, but witch hunters who don't believe he should have legalized it might push their luck. It'd probably go badly for them, but that wouldn't un-burn any hedgewise they'd gotten their hands on.
 
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
[X] Break College Favor/ Tenure
[X] Rainbow Throng: Full Collegiate Aid to be called upon during one of the campaigns of Nexus reclamation
[X] Plan Tower of Doom! and Research!
[X] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
[X]Enchant We-Silk Robes as best as Collegiate is able
[X] Plan: Mammoth Battle Altar Cavalry/Mammothry
[X] Save the boon

Honestly, why not. Adding the robes in hopes someone takes it up. Its a mystery box. For all we know it will finally give us that +1 to magic and put us at normal maximum in addition to whatever protective fuckery the Collegiate can layer on an item.
 
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shepsquared said:
My point is that there's a massive leap between a single flying ship, produced by the 8 colleges of magic collaborating and pouring resources into it existing, and airships being produced in any real numbers.

The vote calls for it to look as magical as possible and potentially be crewed with Perpetuals, the result is way more likely to be a one off like Fozzrick's Flying Castle instead of being the new gyrocopters.
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This very much depends on whatyou mean by real numbers.
A fleet of 8 or 16 ships would be, i think, fairly realistic goal for the empire.
Not a huge fleet by any means, but still a threat to anyone who can't provide similar levels of flying units.

We are asking for the best possible ship, not just a ship.
Using the experience gained here, i think college's could relatively easily build more ships that, while not as good, are still equal to regular warships, but flying.
The biggest issue i could see is trying to keep them powered.
But, well...
We did just reveal the method of building more orbs of sorcery.
 
Valmond said:
This very much depends on whatyou mean by real numbers.
A fleet of 8 or 16 ships would be, i think, fairly realistic goal for the empire.
Not a huge fleet by any means, but still a threat to anyone who can't provide similar levels of flying units.

We are asking for the best possible ship, not just a ship.
Using the experience gained here, i think college's could relatively easily build more ships that, while not as good, are still equal to regular warships, but flying.
The biggest issue i could see is trying to keep them powered.
But, well...
We did just reveal the method of building more orbs of sorcery.
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The Empire having two flying airships is a longshot pipedream and not what we're asking for. And considering this one should be spending most of its time with Mathilde, they're not going to end up with one really.
 
shepsquared said:
The Empire having two flying airships is a longshot pipedream and not what we're asking for. And considering this one should be spending most of its time with Mathilde, they're not going to end up with one really.
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It is far from guaranteed but frankly i would not be surprised if once the possibility is established, Heidi asks for one/gets Luitpold to ask for one. Semi-diplomatic pleasure yachts are a known thing, and One Of Those But Flying has clear value.
 
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