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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Panoramia and Johann are I think the most useful to have as underlings.
Panoramia has a lot of practical value in what she can help with, including the spiders, agriculture, and black lotus poison, all of which help K8P. This would mean that her action could easily count towards the 2-4 actions.

Johann also can help K8P, especially with some of the more Dwarfy and Skavenly things.
 
Fehu said:
Kindof frustrating how nobody seems to care how Esbern and Seija will leave if we don't recruit them. Besides how they'll count as one slot! 1! Slot!

This isa great deal 3 for 2 wizards slots.

Panoramia will stay with the halflings and we can snap up Maximilian and the pair of Ambers easily!
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I don't care about it being a good deal they want to go with the knights of Taal.
If they wanted to stay they would be staying and I don't want to keep them here if they don't want to be here.

I've nothing against them and I hope they do well.
 
LockedMind said:
Esbern and Seija, from what we have seen, also about as effective crunch-wise as a single wizard (they do everything together, so we won't get any more AP from them than from any other wizard).
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Double strength AP capable of taking down a Dragon Ogre has its merits. Also more quietly mobile than anyone but Mathilde
NavySeel said:
Could we bring Panoramia to stirla d with us oun our next visit, I want her to take a look at our land and see if there's anything she knows of that would grow well there.

If anyone would it's a Jade wizard.
And if we happen to visit Anton while we're there... Well that's nice too.
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She's pretty super busy with the land. Wouldn't surprise me if she's spending 4 AP restoring the soil and 2 AP studying the magic mushrooms and rare plants we bought
 
ctulhuslp said:
We are liable to break into at least some tombs at some point.
All other vows are fine, but this one's a dealbreaker, cause we sure as hell gonna stick Mathilde's nose into some blessed tomb or another, even if it's just exploring or trying to stab some bastard who's hiding there.
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If there's something in there that needs stabbing, that would have 'broken' the blessing and it would need to be cleared and re-sanctified.
 
veekie said:
Double strength AP capable of taking down a Dragon Ogre has its merits. Also more quietly mobile than anyone but Mathilde

She's pretty super busy with the land. Wouldn't surprise me if she's spending 4 AP restoring the soil and 2 AP studying the magic mushrooms and rare plants we bought
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Yeah I get that but a few days on a gyrocopter isn't that big in a 6month turn.
 
BoneyM said:
If there's something in there that needs stabbing, that would have 'broken' the blessing and it would need to be cleared and re-sanctified.
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Aha.
Well, this actually makes it quite ways better.
I am still not sure about vowing to god to never break into tomb - breaking and entering is kind of a part of our schtick after all - but this assuages a chunk of my anxieties.
 
NavySeel said:
Yeah I get that but a few days on a gyrocopter isn't that big in a 6month turn.
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And it's actually the gyrocopter guy who is in charge of our outer perimeter and long-range force projection.

Whatever we will lack, aerial reconissance and quick deployment capability will not be in short supply.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Aha.
Well, this actually makes it quite ways better.
I am still not sure about vowing to god to never break into tomb - breaking and entering is kind of a part of our schtick after all - but this assuages a chunk of my anxieties.
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I think my decision would heavily depend on the avatar option winning. If it does, I want to get into this guy's confidence and pick his brain about the divine, and get sword training and maybe a ritual sword as a bonus.

If it does not, I don't care that much.


Edit: damn, I managed to doublepost in this thread. That feels strange.
 
The only reason I see to be wary of Johann is that if he goes Skaven hunting and we don't catch him. It could reflect back on us in a very real way with Belebro
 
NavySeel said:
Could we bring Panoramia to stirla d with us oun our next visit, I want her to take a look at our land and see if there's anything she knows of that would grow well there.

If anyone would it's a Jade wizard.
And if we happen to visit Anton while we're there... Well that's nice too.
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Is tequila a thing in Warhammer? Because I have seen Magueys growing straight out of rocks and in cliff faces.
 
BioWolf said:
The only reason I see to be wary of Johann is that if he goes Skaven hunting and we don't catch him. It could reflect back on us in a very real way with Belebro
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Honestly we can help him. Math with Night Prowler running is OP in terms of getting info on skaven. We wouldn't even be going out of our way, we can do it as part of a scouting run.

We'll probably be able to trade him our help for his, while get our name on his paper as a collaborator.
 
Eurgh. Far too many good traits. 16, pick 2 is harsh.

Only on page 1552 but going to vote now and edit if needed.

Not sure about avatar. It's really cool but I'm not sure it'll be that useful. Still cool though, so it's hardly the end of the world if it wins.

I prefer warrior of paperwork to collaborator simply because I think there are some things we won't want to have to collaborate on to put down on paper. Mechnically collaboration entails more rounds of rolls to get to the final result, which means more places for things to go wrong.

One thing I haven't seen anyone discuss is the argument for keeping the torc for research. If we are investingating the snake juice, particularly for any enchanting, it could be useful to have an object which has been constructed with a different thought process behind it to study for comparison.

Also, I'm not convinced regifting something one of the other colleges gave us in gratitude will play well in the view of other wizards.

Sad that winter wolf has to compete against the rest of the traits. It'd be really cool but... no chance really.

[] Plan 2 wizards

Edit: I have been convinced that the opportunity go get Johann is too good to miss:
[X] Plan Fields of Gold

[X] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
[X] Bureaucrat + Practical > Warrior of Paperwork: Scholarship is just a specific form of paperwork. You can live with it. Combines the two traits, +2 Learning, remove penalty to writing papers yourself.
[X] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[X] Infiltrator: Nobody seems to guard anything well enough to keep you out. +2 Intrigue, +10 bonus to infiltration.

[X] Keep it around in case you ever want to study non-Ulgu enchantments.
[X] Return it with your thanks to the Bright College. +2 College Favour.
 
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Quest said:
Honestly we can help him. Math with Night Prowler running is OP in terms of getting info on skaven. We wouldn't even be going out of our way, we can do it as part of a scouting run.

We'll probably be able to trade him our help for his, while get our name on his paper as a collaborator.
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Indeed. We are still his best chance at actually getting intact skaven tech.
 
I think we should belay the Gunnar exchange of oaths for knowledge thing until at the very least we exhaust the opportunities for learning some of the shallower parts of dwarf philosophy/theology; it's slightly absurd that we want to begin learning it by going to the highest dorf priest we can see and going "C'mon, swear me in, I want to know the deepest darkest secrets of dwarven metaphysics!"

Like, at the very least we should go to a few libraries, get slammed in the face with a few doors; make shady back alley deals with exiles/pariahs, y'know, the usual.
 
LockedMind said:
Esbern and Seija, from what we have seen, also about as effective crunch-wise as a single wizard (they do everything together, so we won't get any more AP from them than from any other wizard).
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Together they may have more variety than Max and Pan, although Pan has a lot of spells for a Journeyman and Max has a spell to buff any roll.

They also scout and fight the best of all of them, and I'm including Johann here. Like, Johann's probably better than he's letting on, but he's probably not 'two wizards and two demigryphs' good. Not every Magister is Mathilde.

But like, we have no plans for them after the spider thing and they want to follow the gryph knights.

We don't need to be one of those protagonists who insists that all interesting things be gathered safely into the inventory.
 
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Another reason for picking him up as a student: The grey college knows he's a magister. Look at how much credit we got for wrangling journeymen. Wrangling a magister pretending to be a journeyman is amusing enough that the grey college will be talking about for years to come and it also shows we can handle magister subordinates.

It's a great step on the path to Lord Magister.
 
Harried said:
I think we should belay the Gunnar exchange of oaths for knowledge thing until at the very least we exhaust the opportunities for learning some of the shallower parts of dwarf philosophy/theology; it's slightly absurd that we want to begin learning it by going to the highest dorf priest we can see and going "C'mon, swear me in, I want to know the deepest darkest secrets of dwarven metaphysics!"

Like, at the very least we should go to a few libraries, get slammed in the face with a few doors; make shady back alley deals with exiles/pariahs, y'know, the usual.
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I definitely agree with this. Maybe once we get some free time. We have both the Liber Mortis and Snek Juice in the backlog. I'd like to finish that.
 
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2 wizards only has a 6 vote lead over Fields of Gold
Adhoc vote count started by ichypa on Oct 4, 2019 at 12:07 PM, finished with 1046 posts and 243 votes.
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Abhorsen said:
Still here wondering why people are voting for plan 2 wizards and Collegiate. This is strictly non-optimal.
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*shrug* Why are people still throwing up X's on individual wizards rather than plan voting?

Presumably there's a significant chunk of the voters who don't read the thread outside of Boney updates.
 
LockedMind said:
That's future-Belegar, though. Current-Belegar is only WS6, we have seen his TT statline in one of the updates.
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Sure, I'm more commenting on the fact that everyone was super impressed with his Stewardship, yet his martial is higher. In hindsight, not surprising.
Cornet said:
Honestly, the more I look at at it, the more tempting buttering up to the cult of Ghazull and accepting their vows looks
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I'm not sure about the vows. The offering last rites bit could get seriously annoying.

Talking about gods and waxing lyrical about (and some sparring if we are lucky, dwarves have very high WS) I can totally do, tho.
Humbaba said:
[X] Plan 2 wizards
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As you didn't seem to comment on your reasoning for this, may I ask why?

PanPan will be staying for a long time and her skills are essentially already optimally employed.

Johann is leaps and bounds more reliable and skilled than the journeymanlings, and his entire toolset revolves around research. He is invaluable for our new role of Court Wizard.

Plan Fields of Gold gets him and Max.
 
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