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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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deathofrats0808 said:
As a note, did a bit of investigating to see what Boney was using as definitions of Cardinal, Elemental and Mystical. The paradigm you;re after would be Mystical I think. Elemental is the straightforward application (plants for Ghyran, Beasts for Ghur, Fire for Aqshy), Mystical is the metaphorical application (growth for Ghyran, confusion for Ulgu, anger or passion for Aqshy) and Cardinal is sort of negative space defined by looking at the Winds as a whole (dusk and dawn for Ulgu is the example Boney gave). The Colleges apparently don't like Cardinal, as it limits each Wind to it's strengths, rather than stretching them to allow for as much stuff as possible.
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...Well this vote is all kinds of fucked. We really should have hard decided on a vote any time not four minutes before.

I don't think there's any difference in effect, so I'll switch to the single most popular front runner in twenty minutes or so and encourage everyone else to do the same.
 
Alectai said:
Uh, what is that 'Indic paradigm' though? Don't want to split the vote, but I missed the discussion because I was busy running around the Empire with a gunline for of magitech rifles and rockets cackling wildly as things that used to cause me Huge Problems melted into purple crystal.
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In Ind, based on the books we've gotten for our library, Aqshy is primarily used for inducing emotions, like inspiring troops or igniting passions. the Indic paradigm thus leans into that side of the wind rather than the more typical Imperial 'lots of fire'. The idea of the vote is to let him actually learn spells of inspiration and emotional manipulation rather than just lots of fireball.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
...Well this vote is all kinds of fucked. We really should have hard decided on a vote any time not four minutes before.

I don't think there's any difference in effect, so I'll switch to the single most popular front runner in twenty minutes or so and encourage everyone else to do the same.
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Eh, as long as it gets the general idea across I don't think it's a huge problem. The vote tally system works well enough you can merge these things without huge difficulty IIRC.

Mopman43 said:
Probably the Bright vote will coalesce around whichever one ends up with the highest vote count once things have settled out a bit.
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Also probably true.
 
I mean, he'll still be doing some fireball stuff, right? But Massive Morale Buffs across the board is pretty great too.
 
[X] Gold, on merits

As I think it will be best for his character and for his future job, and isn't a Hail Mary pass that involves risking his mind, body and soul as a living experiment on inventing a new hybrid paradigm. That seems like a selfish vote to risk Mathilde's godchild as an experimental Guinea pig to learn more about Indic magic, not what's actually useful for a future EC.

It also doesn't risk pigeonholing him into a mono focus on being a raging beatstick which the Bright College vote does.

He needs to be a ruler, not just a toy soldier for other people which is what sending him to the Brights seems quite likely to end up.
 
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AsuraAtlas said:
...Well this vote is all kinds of fucked. We really should have hard decided on a vote any time not four minutes before.

I don't think there's any difference in effect, so I'll switch to the single most popular front runner in twenty minutes or so and encourage everyone else to do the same.
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The tally allows you to merge votes. As long as the write-ins aren't significantly different, they'll all be counted as voting for the same thing.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
I don't actually believe including a link saying what we're doing is possible is necessary, or that "as well as the usual curriculum" is necessary.

It seems that's the way it's settled, but I'll wait an hour or so to see if that's really the wording we want to go with.
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Not long before I came back into the thread to ask for feedback, I came off of an argument with someone who wasn't convinced that having the brights look into the ind paradigm was a feasible action until I linked boney, despite describing what he said and the context it was in for most of it.

Nothing settles people's doubts about whether or not something is possible or true like the word of the quest master, from the quest master's mouth. There is no substitute - as the last vote showed.
LadyLynn said:
I liked picklepikkl's wording best.
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...I really like that too and wish I had seen it before voting started. I'll approval, though as before I imagine that they'll effectively mean the same thing and be merged together. Certainly, I didn't intent to like, hamstring them, I just wanted to specifically use boney's wording.

[x] Bright, for investigating and teaching the Cardinal, Indic paradigm of Aqshy alongside their usual curriculum (cite)
[X] Brights, for investigation into incorporating the Indic paradigm of Aqshy (cite)
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I think ignoring what Winds he's naturally sympatico with is a mistake. There's no evidence he's actually in tune with Aqshy the way he is with Chamon, and I think that's at least as big a problem in regards to him being happy and fulfilled as a disagreement with the College's normal curriculum...probably a bigger issue, to be honest, as the curriculum can be adjusted.
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You can cultivate an affinity for the Winds, and more importantly the Bright College doesn't put emphasis on being a good at Aqshy to succeed - that is not true for the other Colleges. The Brights have a lot more flexibility in achieving success through martial deeds like Adela getting promoted based on her military rank.

I would say the culture/vibe of how each College fits Mandred's personality should be the main consideration - you can learn to be good at magic, you can't force yourself to enjoy it.
 
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[x] Bright, for investigating and teaching the Cardinal, Indic paradigm of Aqshy alongside their usual curriculum (cite)
[X] Brights, for investigation into incorporating the Indic paradigm of Aqshy (cite)

Good point, approval voting.
 
Alratan said:
It also doesn't pigeonhole him into a mono focus on being a beatstick which the Bright College vote does.

He needs to be a ruler, not just a soldier executing other people's ideas which is what sending him to the Brights is likely to end up.
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He's not going to be turned into a quietly obedient soldier, he's still absolutely going to be trained as a noble and commander. Hell, him becoming a commander and ruler would be exactly what they want, and that's already what Heidi is planning for him to be.
 
Resonant said:
You can cultivate an affinity with the Winds, and more importantly the Bright College doesn't put emphasis on being a good at Aqshy to succeed - that is not true for the other Colleges. The Brights have a lot more flexibility in achieving success through martial deeds like Adela getting promoted based on her military rank.
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I'm not talking practically successful, I'm talking about being fulfilled in a more spiritual sense. An inherent affinity means that doing stuff with Chamon will feel right and good in a way doing stuff with Winds he is not affiliated with will not. Or not to the same degree anyway.
 
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