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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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infinityDivided said:
People were coming up with ideas for Mathilde's "title" after this post was made, right? Does anyone remember any of them? The only one I remember was Don't Make Her Choose Between Us Or The Dwarves Because We Won't Like Her Answer.
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My favourite was something like "Uncomfortably Comfortable around Dark Magic", but I don't remember who said it (or something like it that I then misremembered).
 
I still love Boney comparing the other grey lords to Mathilde. It really bring into context how much the grey order of filled with weirdo's. Also that is what they are publicly known for.
Boney said:
You seem to be comparing Mathilde against some ideal frictionless spherical Grey Wizard in a vacuum. They're comparing her against what they've got: Broke Time And Claims It Was Deliberate, Quintuple Agent, Those Fucking Chaos Dwarves Still Sail Submarines Up The Reik To Drop Off Hobgoblin Assassins On Our Doorstep, Way Too Into Sigmar, Literally Stole Ghal Maraz, Left Naggaroth Worse Than He Found It, and their leader, When He Faked His Death A Rumour Spread That His Tower Was Filled With Dark Magic Books And Literally Every Enemy We've Got Apparently Finds It Super Plausible. The Grey Order works with what it's got, and what it's got is someone that has spent the last two decades doing huge amounts of good for the Empire and its allies. The Grey Order does not respond to a twenty year track record of miracles with "what if it was all some extreme double bluff" because if they did they would end up trusting literally nobody and accomplishing literally nothing.

So they trust Mathilde and if they're wrong they shrug and shove ten Battle Wizards down her throat, because the Empire has seen and killed so much worse. Yes, Mathilde has the Liber Mortis. Vlad helped write it. How'd that work out for him?
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Andres said:
Holding your pistol sideways is canonical and lore-accurate.
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also, I'm reading through that PDF right now....

thought 1: just because you are making a joke about how the populations on the Gazetteer make no sense doesn't mean you get away with it.

thought 2: huh, dwarf-elf friends, that's actually very rare in WFRP despite it being a general fantasy trope.

thought 3: god, I hope they do more 'how to quickly build different versions of a splat' like this. it's going to make creating armed humans so much faster going forward.

Thought 4: and the talent summary at the end is also gold, make more of these C7!
 
There's a handful of predynastic Kings of Nehekhara that predate Settra and the First Dynasty who are still remembered. Nehek is the first of them, and little is known of him except that he predates both cities and writing. He might have been in charge when the ancestors of the Nehekharans arrived in the area, or he might have been the first to found a city, or he might just have been remembered when almost everyone else was forgotten because the region was named after him.
 
"Nehekhara" literally translates to "glory of Nehek". Even Settra didn't bother to change it to Settrahara, though as another poster brought up earlier, that could just be because he doesn't see the point in declaring one land in particular to be his when all of them belong to him anyways.
 
Nurgle said:
I still love Boney comparing the other grey lords to Mathilde. It really bring into context how much the grey order of filled with weirdo's. Also that is what they are publicly known for.
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If someone could do this for non Grey LM's I think we'd find that Wizards are just weirdos, rather than it being anything unusual about Greys.
Looking at miss 'commutes by dragon', as an exemplar.
 
infinityDivided said:
People were coming up with ideas for Mathilde's "title" after this post was made, right? Does anyone remember any of them? The only one I remember was Don't Make Her Choose Between Us Or The Dwarves Because We Won't Like Her Answer.
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To add to the suggestions, Keeps Taking Charge Of Other People's Armies.
(Van Hal surrounded and overwhelmed in the city charge, Belegar out of K8P during attack, Borek left the Karag Dum expedition. A paranoid person might suspect that Mathilde is arranging some coincidences.)
 
Resonant said:
Which was the second attempt to give Ranald another face again? Mugging Mork and the Stirland Watch?
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She never actively tried to give Ranald another face, that was just a possible consequence of her actions- for the mugging in particular we didn't even know it was a possibility until the dice had already been rolled.

Though funnily enough she did wind up finding out that Ranald was already (at least) a five faced god.
 
GrimTheMad said:
She never actively tried to give Ranald another face, that was just a possible consequence of her actions- for the mugging in particular we didn't even know it was a possibility until the dice had already been rolled.

Though funnily enough she did wind up finding out that Ranald was already (at least) a five faced god.
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Just because the Coin has five sides does not mean Ranald does. Mor, as an example is also a father to Shaylla, that does not mean he has a face as the Father.
 
I am now a Professor Pfaff fan.

WFRP 4e: The Hahnbrandt Militia, pages 5-6:
We had not gone a couple of hours when we met a group of mounted militia coming the other way. They wore similar uniforms to the halberdiers and handgunners we had already met, but theirs were more suited to riding through the woods than formal guard duty. The captain greeted us and politely enough asked us what brought us up into the hills and where we were heading. I had already resigned myself to more of the abuse we had received in the Forager's Arms and another raft of imaginary taxes.

'Before you continue,' said Professor Pfaff, as if admonishing the sort of cocky first year student who speaks when a professor would prefer them to listen, 'I should have you know that we are on important business for the Duke von Bildhofen and he would take great offence at having our expedition delayed by even a second.'
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The captain was taken aback for a moment but soon recovered, 'As an agent of the Graf von Wallenstein in his territory, the lawful executor of the Prince of the Reikland and Sigmar's Emperor, I have every authority to determine the nature of your business here, and if I see fit, detain you at his pleasure.'
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The professor was not to be defeated so easily, however. 'It is a right of his Imperial Emperor's citizens to go about his Empire unimpeded. This is well established in imperial law, as you well know.'

'Ah, but,' the captain replied, 'the rights of any citizen are to be subservient to the necessities of his Imperial Majesty's forces while they pursue their legitimate duties. That, too, is well established.'

'Well, that is a cogent point and one that would merit further discussion, were we not in such a hurry,' Pfaff conceded. 'I'm sure the Graf von Wallenstein would be happy to discuss the matter with you, as he discussed with us only a couple of evenings ago.'

'Or we can all go back to Auerswald and discuss it with him,' she said.

'But Auerswald is more than a day's ride from here,' replied Pfaff.

'Yes, and three days walk,' the captain said, mischievously.

In the end, I think Pfaff lost his nerve, he pulled out his pistol, cocked it, and pointed it at the captain's head. 'Let us about our law-abiding business,' he insisted, 'or you will be sorry.'
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Imagine a bloody university professor on a road trip to another city, gets pulled over by a police car, then pulls out a glock aiming it at the cop saying "We're obeying the law, leave us alone or I'll kill you."

Thick-headed Sigmarite he may be but that damn if that wasn't an impressive move.

For those who don't know, Professor Pfaff shows up in WFRP 2e: Tome of Salvation, writing a letter about mortals becoming gods. Page 16:

Returning to The Hahnbrandt Militia, things went as you might expect. The captain pulls out her own pistol, her scouts aim their bows, and the three professors' dwarf and Eonir travelling companions pull out their pistols and sword, respectively. Things are at a standoff. Luckily, Weirde comes in clutch. Page 6:
'Might I please have a word in private, captain?' I finally broke the tension.

I explained that her diphthongs were somewhat elongated and not clipped like one might expect from those born and raised among the ruling classes of the Reikland, and her rhotic inflections were sometimes overly round, rather similar to the farmers of this locale. I commended her that her accent was easily good enough to fool an uneducated commoner or unthinking noble, but my expertise in linguistics allowed me to spot her ruse.

I further remarked upon the cross pendant she wore around her neck. Though it looked like an Imperial skull-cross, which would not make a layperson think twice, I had seen similar examples in a number of places across the Reikland, in low halls and dens of disrepute, where the skulls had a decidedly feline look. And so, I explained, I was quite aware of where the captain's true allegiance lay, and fingers crossed, she would let us on our way.

And, I confided, that I shared that allegiance. Here I was lying, quite brazenly, but I said a few words of Ranaldan scripture that I had picked up along the way, and that was enough to convince the captain that we were fellow travellers.

And it was no more than few minutes before we were allowed to continue across the Hägercrybs on our way to Carroburg. Professor Pfaff pressed me several times on what I had said to the captain to extricate us so rapidly, but, partly out of respect for the good captain, and partly to annoy the professor, I held my peace.
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Linguistics, Ranald, and sticking it to a Sigmarite. A delightful treat.

Also, while I'm here, I'll say that Weirde and his crew are straight up god damn adventurers. Five people, one of them a dwarf and another an elf, travelling around all over the place, getting into sticky situations for all sorts of reasons despite just being travelling university professors, and serially surviving those situations. Man was I happy when I figured that out.
 
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Derpmind said:
And we all know being someone's rival's has never backfired. (It would be entirely too appropriate for Mathilde to be posthumously declared a Saint of Sigmar for her dwarven diplomacy.)
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Magnus the Pious hasn't been declared a saint yet, the bar might be too high/specific for Mathilde to get through merely on evidence of 'the Dwarfs sure like her'.
 
I feel like Magnus is kinda of a too high bar? Because virtually everyone would want to declare him a Saint, since he did have signs from every God going "Yeah, this is the guy!". So, trying to declare him "Magnus is Saint of Ulric/Sigmar/Morr" is also liable to make the other cult come up and start headbutting.
 
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