Could we request Thorek to try and address the issue?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Sure. In fact, he knows a Grey Wizard who's already created a solution to this exact problem, he can introduce you to her.
Oh yes please. She's surely a very magical, amazing, talented, wholesome, intelligent, lovely, daring and elegant woman.
Maybe we should recruit her for the project? I'm sure she'd be very helpful.
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Eike's enchantment skills are even better than I thought.
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Overall I am not displeased about the winning plan. Hybrid transmission is just cool, and while I don't think the stone flower is ideal it doesn't have the drawbacks of increased dhar that the runic inductor has.
I do worry about the very difficult description on the hybrid transmission though, hope we aren't biting off more than we can chew. I'm not stoked that we are going with reverse engineering, just cause hoping it gets easier with practice seems a bit optimistic when I don't think that we will get enough waystones made regularly enough for practice to matter.
I do worry about the very difficult description on the hybrid transmission though, hope we aren't biting off more than we can chew. I'm not stoked that we are going with reverse engineering, just cause hoping it gets easier with practice seems a bit optimistic when I don't think that we will get enough waystones made regularly enough for practice to matter.
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Is there a post somewhere expounding on the merits listed here?
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Actually this does raise an interesting question: absent enough of the Winds can a dwarf rune be powered with Dhar? I mean we know Kragg's rune can make heat out of Dhar by turning it into fire so it would not be beyond the realm of possibility even if it would be politically fraught.
Dwarves are cagey on the matter, but there's a lot of Dhar getting sucked up by the Dwarven Karak-Waystones and there doesn't seem to be anywhere it's coming out.
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Rebuilding the waystone network will involve building thousands to tens of thousands of the stones across several centuries, and then onwards replacing the lost ones in the eternal struggle against forces of evil until the World Has Ended and the People of the Good Side have failed and faded to nothingness.
We wanted to go for a project that would meaningfully affect the entire world. Unless Mathilde becomes another Elspeth, the fruits and labours of this project will survive her. Its entirely possible the work will not be finished in her lifetime. And thats perfectly fine.
But it also means that the benefits of iterative improvement, like in the case of the foundation enchantment, might also come in like, forty years. That may sound shitty because wow, its not right here right now, but thats just the nature of what we are working on. This is the same kind of payoff as the socioeconomic impact of Karak Eight Peaks that is still pending on our favours page. It will take decades for it to be felt, but felt it will be, when it does eventually come.
Ultimately i do believe that in like, two to three generations the process of enchantment might be simplified back to its original difficulty and even the college enchanters of some talent might be able to replicate it. And thats fine by me. It would be fine by me even if it took centuries and we only learned of it in epilogue statements.
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Oh yeah, they have very good reason to be cagey. Let's not poke the matter of 'are dwarf runes technically Dark Magic?'
A runic inductor would seem to pair well with a spirit riverine transmission, as the Dhar doesn't have to flow anywhere problematic, it just gets teleported directly to the mouth of the river where it's ideally picked up by the regular network.
It would fit well with my proposal to put Waystones on boats so they can be deployed where they're particularly needed and withdrawn if they're threatened too much.
The capstones would be in much less danger of being stolen if they could be pulled back away from enemies, so there wouldn't be the same risk of misuse people have raised.
Does it say they were married at the same time, or would serial monogamy fit just as well?
I wonder if considering this, on top of realising that making Dhar is essential for leyline Waystones and choosing an option that does so could soften Mathilde's personal opposition to things like Wind Tongs.
It would fit well with my proposal to put Waystones on boats so they can be deployed where they're particularly needed and withdrawn if they're threatened too much.
The capstones would be in much less danger of being stolen if they could be pulled back away from enemies, so there wouldn't be the same risk of misuse people have raised.
Does it say they were married at the same time, or would serial monogamy fit just as well?
I wonder if considering this, on top of realising that making Dhar is essential for leyline Waystones and choosing an option that does so could soften Mathilde's personal opposition to things like Wind Tongs.
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The thing is it does not matter what her personal opinion is. Developing and using a lore that unavoidably uses Dhar means that we could never use it around other people with mage-sight. That is cripplingly limited for the effort involved.
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Stone and Steel is the reason I specified last 20 years. It came out in 2002.
Morgrim is generally stated to be the son of Grimnir*, but his mother is usually left unsaid that I've seen.
That looks to be the case even back in 4th edition Dwarfs as far as I can tell.
*Except for 8th edition Dwarfs, which can't decide if he's a son of Grimnir or Grungni, but I'm pretty sure that's because the book confused him with Thungni for some reason
It states that Valaya is "Wife to Grimnir and Grungni."
I think it'd be mentioned somewhere if the Ancestor Gods had gotten a divorce.
It's true that it could only be used secretly, but on the other hand, many of Mathilde's most critical interventions have been done with no surviving witnesses capable of Magesight.
That is true, but I just don't see us sinking multiple AP into this given that we have no indication what we would even get out of developing said lore and how useful it would be for said infiltration/secret mission work.
I was thinking of the suggestion to try to learn how to do the Second Secret without channelling Dhar directly, not inventing a whole lore of magic.
Based on this:
The reason that Mathilde is unwilling to do this is because of the legal consequences - and because she was a believer that those laws are right and proper.
If her belief that Dhar is wrong in all circumstances has been eroded, and that it's acceptable to use Dhar in the service of the greater good in some cases, learning how to use Ulgu tongs to trigger the Second Secret to use on solo missions against undead (or skaven?) might seem more acceptable. She still wouldn't be immune to the legal consequences if caught, but she's good at not getting caught.
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We should note down some of the most promising alternate waystone designs that were hashed out as we got info, so we could develop them in following turns.
Wait. What? Are you telling me Thorek has the means of contacting MAGDA WESSEN?!
On a more serious note, I am talking specifically in term of improving the Runic Inductor as this is the device's one big flaw.
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I am fairly sure Boney was fully aware what you were after, and gave the answer with that in mind.Wait. What? Are you telling me Thorek has the means of contacting MAGDA WESSEN?!
On a more serious note, I am talking specifically in term of improving the Runic Inductor as this is the device's one big flaw.
In doing so it would become more expensive and difficult than the other already-existing options. Different paradigms are good at different things, fine control over distinct Winds is not the forte of a race that is blind to them.
I'm not sure there's one with the advantages collated in one place, but here goes:
- The first model we build is likely to get the most attention, so making it the most impressive it can be is likely to garner the most prestige. This model seems better than or equal to the Golden Age version in terms of functionality in every way we can tell. That's a big deal.
- The reverse engineered storage gets better over time, so if we're ever going to use it we should use it as early as possible.
- Using both transmission mechanisms means it can be more easily installed in some critical places in the short term.
Wait. What? Are you telling me Thorek has the means of contacting MAGDA WESSEN?!
On a more serious note, I am talking specifically in term of improving the Runic Inductor as this is the device's one big flaw.
I think Boney's point is that it isn't a flaw from the dwarven point of view, as they don't care about the flavours of magic, just that it's magic, so haven't developed/preserved the runic techniques to treat them differently. The rune just sucks them all up indiscriminately and shoves them down the pipe.
This does suggest that the Dhar that's created is created inside the Waystone, so isn't a problem outside it, it just reduced the ability to tap the energy later for useful power if you're a Wind user.
How is Thorek left out in the cold by the leading plan? That design is dependent on having a dwarven runesmith involved, and won't work without it.
It's also the same level of involvement his ancestors had during the Golden Age, so he would probably be very happy to follow their exact example, no more and no less. He's a conservative runesmith after all.
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[X] Plan Building A Better Future
-[X] [CAPSTONE] Stone Flower
-[X] [RUNE] Dwarven
-[X] [STORAGE] [Expensive] Runed
-[X] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord
-[X] [TRANSMISSION] Both (Jade Riverine)
Well if we're going to insist on using parts that require elves, might as well go for one that also requires dwarves.
-[X] [CAPSTONE] Stone Flower
-[X] [RUNE] Dwarven
-[X] [STORAGE] [Expensive] Runed
-[X] [FOUNDATION] Grey Lord
-[X] [TRANSMISSION] Both (Jade Riverine)
Well if we're going to insist on using parts that require elves, might as well go for one that also requires dwarves.
Both leading designs have parts that require dwarves.
It is not a difference between the two plans.