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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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TigerJack369 said:
I mean there would probably be fuss over some kid/baby getting elevated to nobility since we are technically nobility, Dame Weber. But who in all honestly would be able to stop us from doing it at this point, or more accurately who in relevant Power would actually stop us.
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Actually, Boney's mentioned a couple times that adoption is pretty culturally accepted in the Empire. See for instance Anton adopting his heir.
 
TigerJack369 said:
But adoption, its Warhammer Fantasy, there's tons of orphans out there. By Ranald there were enough to staff our massive Library with if we wanted. I mean there would probably be fuss over some kid/baby getting elevated to nobility since we are technically nobility, Dame Weber. But who in all honestly would be able to stop us from doing it at this point, or more accurately who in relevant Power would actually stop us.
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Nah, there would not be any issue with adopting a kid. One example of this is Antion adopting his heir and another supporting proof is the WOB here.

Boney said:
If they're not of a noble house, or if the head of the noble house they're originally from agrees, anyone can be adopted into any noble family. Legal children have precedence over adoptees in inheritance, though.

And mistresses are a time-honoured tradition of nobility, though frowned upon by the pious.
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TigerJack369 said:
Hey, sorry If this was brought up before but I just managed to get up here and there are over 12000 pages. But, has anyone talked about kids. Mathilde is almost 40, Panoramia is a few years younger I think.

I'm not talking about biologically having a kid, Technically there are ways to do it that way, but it all seems really awkward and even if people were willing to go that way, the Idea of rolling a 1 on a childbirth roll terrifies me. (When our Empress had to roll for that... woo was I worried)

But adoption, its Warhammer Fantasy, there's tons of orphans out there. By Ranald there were enough to staff our massive Library with if we wanted. I mean there would probably be fuss over some kid/baby getting elevated to nobility since we are technically nobility, Dame Weber. But who in all honestly would be able to stop us from doing it at this point, or more accurately who in relevant Power would actually stop us.

I bring this up because while I think I remember hearing from somewhere that Wizards live longer, 40 is still pretty high for a human and if we don't do it soon than I feel like the chance is going to leave us behind. I know we are busy as hell, but we have been for the past 20 to 30 years and there isn't going to be a moment when we aren't.

If we did we could work it in, Panoramia would probably handle a fair amount of it considering that she sticks to K8 Peaks and we keep jumping across the Old World and getting into fights with Vampires, but we would still be able to be part of the HYPOTHICALS life, K8 Peaks is our home after all.
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I'd say Eike is close enough for govermentwizard work. Mathilde isn't particularly maternal, and has the correct opinion about babies and small children, which is "Oh, so it's not broken, it just supposed to be like that?".

Ultimately it comes down to this: Raising a kid would take 2 AP or more per turn, and last a dozen turns or more. Do you know how many paper you could write or legally questionable acts you can commit with that kind of budget? Hell, if we really wanted a maladjusted human being that cannot handle the real world, we should just become Matriarch and we get a whole bunch of them. And we can give them to the next sucker afterwards, and cross it off the bucket list.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
I think Mathilde's title is not inheritable. Not 100% sure, but I have a vague recollection of such.
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I believe Mathilde can declare an heir for it, but if she doesn't then the title and the land revert to the Grand Count/ess upon Mathilde's death. Currently, there is no heir for it. Also, anyone Mathilde does declare to be her heir wouldn't actually be considered a noble until they inherit—it would have to be a more impressive title for the status to "trickle down" like that (such as the title "Baron of Blutdorf").
 
BurnNote said:
Ultimately it comes down to this: Raising a kid would take 2 AP or more per turn, and last a dozen turns or more. Do you know how many paper you could write or legally questionable acts you can commit with that kind of budget? Hell, if we really wanted a maladjusted human being that cannot handle the real world, we should just become Matriarch and we get a whole bunch of them. And we can give them to the next sucker afterwards, and cross it off the bucket list.
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Pretty much this, we're low on AP, and having a kid would drive us further into AP hell for at least a dozen turns, likely more.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I believe Mathilde can declare an heir for it, but if she doesn't then the title and the land revert to the Grand Count/ess upon Mathilde's death. Currently, there is no heir for it.
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I mean... could we possibly leave Stirland without a Knightly trade mogul Grey Wizard to meddle and fix random things at her whim?

Eike, meet Slightly Bigger Herd Man's son, the Steward.
 
Codex said:
Night's Dark Masters was published by Black Industries. Liber Necris by Black Library. And beyond that Liber Necris is written from the PoV of Mannfred von Carstein.

Yes, Mannfred von Carstein. Notoriously insane and overconfident Mannfred von Carstein. I'm sure he's an unbiased source.

8th Edition is written and published by GW. It should also be noted that 2nd Edition was released around 6th Edition Warhammer. All of this explains the discrepancies in a neat fashion.
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The section of Liber Necris stating that Nagash's Elixir of Life doesn't give true immortality is apparently a translation of Nagash's own account, not Mannfred's interpretation.

Mannfred is probably a better source than any other we have, as he spoke to someone who was there and had Nagash's own account of his history, which is what he used as the basis of his own.

We don't know who the IC author of those bits of the Army Books are, but they're unlikely to have had as good sources as Mannfred did. Mannfred apparently did a fair amount of research to produce his account.

Codex said:
8th Edition is written and published by GW. It should also be noted that 2nd Edition was released around 6th Edition Warhammer. All of this explains the discrepancies in a neat fashion.
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Black Library is Games Workshop.
 
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There are all sorts of reasons to have children, but much of it doesn't really ring with my perception of Mathilde's character. I mean, even putting aside Mathilde's general ambivalence regarding kids and how she's steadfastly refused to even acknowledge them as cute, Mathilde is a tangled ball of trauma that she's never addressed. I'm of course talking about her own parents, who were definitely not the most exemplary individuals. It's not like Mathilde has seen all that many positive parental figures. Her closest comparisons would be the Dads she found along the way, most prominently of which is Regimand. And it's not like the two of them ever officially acknowledged how familial their relationship ended up to be.

At the end of the day, the thing about children that I think would resonate most with Mathilde is leaving a legacy onto the world. Changing the world she lives in by imparting her own knowledge and expertise and life experience into a young, fresh faced apprentice. And there certainly is no need for that individual to be blood related to her. In that sense, Eike perfectly fits that niche. Mathilde has very strong "Mom Friend" energy, and she fulfills it by sticking her nose in everyone's business and imparting the occasional advice. And that's as close to parental as I think Mathilde will get.

I personally find that great. In the age Mathilde is in, marriage and having kids is expected from all strata of society. It's just what you do. In the modern day, people are finding out more and more that you don't need to marry and have kids. That jumping into something you don't want for the sake of expectations enforced by society don't often lead to happiness. The benefit of being a Wizard is that she's separated from societal expectations and gets to do whatever the hell she wants.

I'm not exactly a "marriage is a scam" kind of woman, but I'm a firm advocate that a person doesn't even need to be married to have a valid relationship either. Marriage is just paperwork.

Don't mind me. The recent conversation made me want to give my two cents.
 
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Codex said:
At the end of the day, the thing about children that I think would resonate most with Mathilde is leaving a legacy onto the world. Changing the world she lives in by imparting her own knowledge and expertise and life experience into a young, fresh faced apprentice. And there certainly is no need for that individual to be blood related to her. In that sense, Eike perfectly fits that niche. Mathilde has very strong "Mom Friend" energy, and she fulfills it by sticking her nose in everyone's business and imparting the occasional advice. And that's as close to parental as I think Mathilde will get.
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I definitely agree that Eike, Mandred, and any possible future appreciates are likely to fill the narrative space that children otherwise would. Also, it's very Mathilde to "steal" all the cool parts of raising a kid from her friends. Eike is like having a particularly responsible teenager, Mandred is all the fun parts of a small child being cute without any diapers, and the early ducklings had the whole "watching your adult child find their way in the world" thing going on.
 
adaer said:
I definitely agree that Eike, Mandred, and any possible future appreciates are likely to fill the narrative space that children otherwise would. Also, it's very Mathilde to "steal" all the cool parts of raising a kid from her friends. Eike is like having a particularly responsible teenager, Mandred is all the fun parts of a small child being cute without any diapers, and the early ducklings had the whole "watching your adult child find their way in the world" thing going on.
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Yeah, I saw them as fulfilling that role, but, thought it was important to ask. Yeah, all the explanations make sense and we can still reap the good stuff. I very much appreciate the language of Mathilde stealing the neat moments of parenthood.
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Also, while it is fun to speculate on Vampire Mathilde and what not. When I found this quest and saw the Necromancy and Vampirism option in the Character Generation I did get a bit excited. You guys went another way and I do really enjoy the story, but does anyone know if there is a Warhammer Fantasy Vampire or Necromancy quest out there. I want to scratch that itch.
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Final thing.

On the topic of Necromancy, the Liber Mortis does have a lot of actual spells written in it right?
Boney said:
Necromantic Insight: +20 to dispel and induce miscasts against Necromancy. Able to identify (and cast) the spells of Necromancy.
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I want to talk about forbidden knowledge, part of the allure of it is to have something so dangerous and taboo within your reach. To have the niggling knowledge that you could use it on the edge of your mind. I feel that one line in a Trait does a disserves to the depth of the knowledge we have. You know what would get it across?

Spell Book
U / Gaze of Nagash
U / Invocation of Nehek
U / Raise the Dead
etx...

The spell book shows our Ulgu spells predominately, the other 7 winds of magic are part of the Colleges, so we should know about them. Stuffing the Spell Book with Chaos or Maw magic doesn't make sense, but we know Necromancy. Well I mean its Unknown but the Liber Mortis is always there waiting to teach us.
Boney said:
The remainder of the book is the one most of the tome's readers skip directly to - spells, rituals, and preparations.
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Isn't that such a bigger itch in the eye. To look at the Spell Book to check what spells Mathilde or different Wizards of the Colleges can use and BAM... reminder of the fact the only reason we aren't a Necromancer is because we have not made the effort of Knowing it, that Mathilde is actively not using what she has access to. Forbidden fruit hanging just overhead.

I definitely wrote all this for art, not because I really want to see Necromancy spells in our Spell Book.
 
Can we do necromancy? I thought that was a combination of Shysh and Dhar but we cant use Shysh just Ulgu. I think we saw Eshin using Ulgu + Dhar during the karak eight peaks campaign but it didn't seem like necromancy.
 
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