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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Revise

It's not about the CF, it's about getting pies made for the jouneymamlings

[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[X] Kasmir
[X] Eike
[X] Gold College
[X] Karaz-a-Karak
Mopman43 said:
By the time we're done she'll be a magnificent chicken.

(Mixing thread metaphors a bit there)
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How many metaphors do you think we'll be end up having mixed here, or is it too early to say?
 
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IronFist said:
If you're in it for the CF, don't rework it.
If you're in it to help Journeying ducklings, then rework it.
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I want to open the floodgates for Food Magic to become a thing that isn't exclusive to Ogres. The dream is for the field to expand so thoroughly that at least one Ogre joins the Colleges and becomes the first Collegiate Butcher.

You know what, this is giving me an omake idea...
 
Codex said:
I want to open the floodgates for Food Magic to become a thing that isn't exclusive to Ogres. The dream is for the field to expand so thoroughly that at least one Ogre joins the Colleges and becomes the first Collegiate Butcher.

You know what, this is giving me an omake idea...
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Crossover with Drunken Dynasty perhaps? There was that Firebelly that was given over to the Bright College...

Don't feel forced though, just an idea
 
Codex said:
I want to open the floodgates for Food Magic to become a thing that isn't exclusive to Ogres. The dream is for the field to expand so thoroughly that at least one Ogre joins the Colleges and becomes the first Collegiate Butcher.

You know what, this is giving me an omake idea...
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If you want Collegiate Ogres, you need the publication to be as readable as possible.
 
[X] Revise

For reasons already offered by many other posters.

[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld

Getting to know all the core members of the project sounds like an idea.

[X] Sylvania

Skulls for the skull shelf?

[X] Wissenland

I actually wouldn't mind taking a good look at what is going on with the rats, just in case.

[X] Karak Vlag

Sounds like plot.

[X] Karaz-a-Karak

I've been wanting to hear more about this for the better part of forever...

[X] The Black Water Canal

And it would be great to check how much progress they are having in this...

[X] Kasmir

Not a bad moment to check on Kasmir, either.

[X] Eike

Absolute must have. There won't be much disagreement with this one, I suspect.

[X] Gold College

Could be useful and will, at the very least be interesting.

As you can see, I didn't manage to narrow things down a lot.
 
[X] Revise

As much of a pain as revising and rewriting stuff is, it's a necessity. I've been saddled with a lot of rewriting of other people's documents at work lately, and it's my personal opinion that people who write barely readable or comprehensible reports, etc, deserve to be set on fire.

Repeatedly.

With a flamethrower.
 
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I'm a bit sad the Amber College is so far down on priorities. I mean, we're in no hurry, by my estimates we should be able to get the AV book and the Orbs out at the earliest by Turn 42 (more likely Turn 43 or 44 considering likely delays), but I wish to see the ol' salamanders a bit.
 
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Boney said:
You dig further, carefully asking questions that display curiosity of the subject matter itself without actually asking for anything that might be considered a trade secret, and you learn that while most metals come from Laurelorn trees that draw trace metals from the soil and extrude them in nodules along their trunks, the Faniour do occasionally uncover surface veins of metal-bearing rock, and the city retains the knowledge of how to process these. If the Empire was able to supply suitable ores and flux, then the city would be willing to pay a decent price for them. This sounds good at first, but after crunching the numbers and looking over maps you find a considerable logistical issue. The Middle Mountains are infamously barren of minerals, and the only ones to be found under the soil of Nordland are the ones that Nordland was extracting from under Laurelorn. The nearest exploitable resources are some very minor tin and lead mines in Ostland and some iron panning in southern Middenland. The distances involve make transporting raw ore by cart entirely uneconomical, and there are no routes for Empire-mined minerals that don't pass through Marienburg, which you're rather hesitant about, and so too would the Eonir. They might be willing to build very careful links with the Empire, but they don't want those links going through a catspaw of Ulthuan.
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Naval trade with Kislev seems like the best solution, and possibly one that would give some benefit to Nordland to soothe their losses.

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Pieces of it do circulate throughout the Empire, either sold through Marienburg, dug up from former Elven settlements, or acquired from unscrupulous traders who barter with the Norscans or the Fire Dwarves for their plunder, and though the price asked for them is always exorbitant, the price that Laurelorn would pay to acquire some more would be greater still, as the amount available to them has only dwindled since they were cut off from Ulthuan.
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Tit for tat for the Ulthuani for all the hell Marienburg causes the Empire, and a deliciously indirect one they'll have trouble complaining about.
 
Okay this is my first time posting so this might have been discussed at some point and I just missed it, but re: dates with panoramia, way back when we first started dating her we were given the option of taking her to our temple of ranald in k9p.
At the time we picked something else but now that our relationship is pretty serious and ranalds even introduced his kids to us; I think it would be awesome to introduce our girlfriend to our oldest friend!
 
Parabola said:
I'm a bit sad the Amber College is so far down on priorities. I mean, we're in no hurry, by my estimates we should be able to get the AV book and the Orbs out at the earliest by Turn 42 (more likely Turn 43 or 44 considering likely delays), but I wish to see the ol' salamanders a bit.
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I agree, it'll be nice to see how the lizards are doing. We can pump out some CF by writing a few papers with Max, so it's not urgent that we see them, but it's a neat thing we did and I like seeing the ripples of our actions, no matter how minor.

JevvyPython said:
Naval trade with Kislev seems like the best solution, and possibly one that would give some benefit to Nordland to soothe their losses.
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The big problem with that is that nobody involved in the Laurelorn mess actually wants to see Nordland prosper. The Eonir came within a hairs breath of entering a war of extinction with Nordland, and if Nordland collapses then Middenland will benefit greatly. Propping up Nordland through trade only benefits Nordland, and many will question why we are helping them, rather than those who were affected by Nordland's unjust actions.
 
@Boney
I have a Question; can we not buy metals from Erengard and sell to Eonir via sea of claws? Kislev has metals and we can use ships. Not as good as selling from the Empire but having connection to Kislev proably is not a bad thing either. And we can either broker or do import-export deal from some port along the Sea of Claws. Is this an option?

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[x] Gold College
[x] Eike
[x] The Black Water Canal
[X] Sylvania
 
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Tasoli said:
@Boney
I have a Question; can we not buy metals from Erengard and sell to Eonir via sea of claws? Kislev has metals and we can use ships. Not as good as selling from the Empire but having connection to Kislev proably is not a bad thing either. And we can either broker or do import-export deal from some port along the Sea of Claws. Is this an option?
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Does Kislev have metals? From what I recalled of the lore, I thought the land was supposed to be somewhat poor in terms of iron ore quantities, which is why Kislev doesn't have as much widespread adoption of plate armour and gunpowder weapons as the Empire outside of Erengrad, which can afford to import them.
 
Boney said:
This would require a huge amount of liquid capital to act upon and would likely draw a lot of attention as astronomic offers are made for various items within private collections, but would greatly enrich whoever is first to act upon the opportunity.
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Does anyone else hear that? It sounds like Wilhelmina laughing?

By which I mean yes, tell the EIC about it.

Edit: Or we could tell Heidi about it I suppose. I'm sure the empress could always use more Gold and it'd have her and Ranald laughing all the way to the bank.
 
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mathymancer said:
Google and google translate have both failed me. I'm guessing this is "Finder's Keepers" or something in that vein?
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Boney said:
It's genuine Latin, but declensions are a forest of madness. The root words would be 'inventor' and 'custode'. Arguably 'vindex' would work better for the latter word, but it's harder to take a stab at the meaning of it with just a knowledge of English.
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/Latin nerd hat on

No issue with inventor, though if you would want to stress the accidental nature of the discovery I would opt for nanciscens > nancisci. Custos keeps the meaning of protector too strongly to apply here, same with vindex which is all about claiming something from someone. Someone who holds or keeps something is a tenens (from the verb tenere), but that might not sound familiar enough.

Also somewhat confused by the usage of the ablative or dative (the -ibus suffix). A simple parallelism or sentence with a tacit 'sunt' would see them both in the nominative; "Inventores custodes" or "Inventores tenentes".

/latin nerd out

I will keep my inner pedant on a shorter leash, I promise.
 
[X] Revise
[X] Magister Tochter Grunfeld
[X] Kasmir
[X] Eike
[X] Karak Vlag
[X] Sylvania
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
@Boney quick question that you can ignore.

How clan'ish and…territorial? (I don't think that's the right word but I don't know what is.) are the elves in DL's compared to WRFP? Who tend towards being of the mind that everyone but my clan, friends, and I guess this group of smelly humans that I tolerate, but don't tell them, can go die in a fire for all I care.

And is it to the level of different to the human average that mathy might think it's a elven instincts and minds at play rather then just cultural. Like dwarfs with grudges and people wide perfectionism.

Or is it only at the level that Mathy could totally see developing in a human nation?

Just wondering because I remember the 'saying' 'the group most fendup with elves are other elves.' And your showing some of how dwarfs do have some nature differences to humans, not just nurture.

Maybe they really are a herd of zebra vs human/dwarfs herd of horses.

Civilisation based on inherent social values vs logical and convenient cooptation between groups of family values….
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The difference between canon and quest Eonir are summed up in this exchange:

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"Is that how you see an alliance with Middenland? One more type of frog to listen for the chirp of?"

He gives you an amused smile. "Words are cheap. If a frog had enough of a mind to ask me what I thought of it, I would flatter it for its contribution to the defence of the swamps. But I have no need to do so for your kind. We do not have an island paradise for us to sneer across the waves at the world from. The High Council has spent far too much time contemplating the results of a conflict with Nordland turning into all-out war between your peoples and mine to dismiss you so easily. One cannot spend a lifetime staring up the shaft of extinction at the hands of humanity and still dismiss them so easily. And by all indications, your kind will be easier to coexist with than the beings our erstwhile cousins of Loren Faen joined themselves to."
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As snooty and condescending as they mask themselves as, they had the choice between humility and extinction, the Eonir chose humility. As for biological differences, Mathilde is starting to hone in on the fundamental differences between Dwarves and humans after a decade with the Dwarves, so it's a bit early for her to be doing the same to the Elves. But if she had to guess, her current theory would be Elves are more culturally tribalistic than humans and aren't as prone to anthropomorphizing, or whatever you call it when an Elf does it. Unlike humans who will pack bond with anything, you really need some sort of cultural commonality with Elves to get a foot in the door before they start seeing you as people. And the same goes for other Elves, if perceived cultural differences grow too great they'll be as dismissive towards them as they are to humans. Right now Eonir sees Middenland humans as closer to being people than they do Ulthuan Elves.

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@Boney
I have a Question; can we not buy metals from Erengard and sell to Eonir via sea of claws? Kislev has metals and we can use ships. Not as good as selling from the Empire but having connection to Kislev proably is not a bad thing either. And we can either broker or do import-export deal from some port along the Sea of Claws. Is this an option?
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That will be one possible way to use that information.

Siual said:
/Latin nerd hat on

No issue with inventor, though if you would want to stress the accidental nature of the discovery I would opt for nanciscens > nancisci. Custos keeps the meaning of protector too strongly to apply here, same with vindex which is all about claiming something from someone. Someone who holds or keeps something is a tenens (from the verb tenere), but that might not sound familiar enough.

Also somewhat confused by the usage of the ablative or dative (the -ibus suffix). A simple parallelism or sentence with a tacit 'sunt' would see them both in the nominative; "Inventores custodes" or "Inventores tenentes".

/latin nerd out

I will keep my inner pedant on a shorter leash, I promise.
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The similarity with tenant makes 'tenentes' work as well as 'custodes', so I'll go with 'Inventores tenentes'. Thanks for the information, Latin grammar makes my brain hurt.
 
Boney said:
As snooty and condescending as they mask themselves as, they had the choice between humility and extinction, the Eonir chose humility. As for biological differences, Mathilde is starting to hone in on the fundamental differences between Dwarves and humans after a decade with the Dwarves, so it's a bit early for her to be doing the same to the Elves. But if she had to guess, her current theory would be Elves are more culturally tribalistic than humans and aren't as prone to anthropomorphizing, or whatever you call it when an Elf does it. Unlike humans who will pack bond with anything, you really need some sort of cultural commonality with Elves to get a foot in the door before they start seeing you as people. And the same goes for other Elves, if perceived cultural differences grow too great they'll be as dismissive towards them as they are to humans. Right now Eonir sees Middenland humans as closer to being people than they do Ulthuan Elves.
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Interesting theory, though if it's right I'm a bit sad that Eike is not going to have a bunch of elves foning over the little human because kids are so rare in a race that spends such a short time in their childhood.

well, I guess members of House Tindomiel/Thyriolan/Vaire might (out of hating humans in general for some of them). if the theory holds because of magic culture.

will have to test by showing off our new student to everyone.

for science.
 
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