Summoning is crossing the line, yes. If you start summoning you rip a tear into the warp and that's definitely a breach of the articles.
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Alright.
So, just to be clear and make sure there's no misunderstanding: what you're saying is that harvesting AV from Apparitions is "fine", or at least no worse than apparition binding already is, but its just not logistically viable/useful if you don't cross the line and go into summoning?
Pretty much. I'd actually say that using the mirror box is more then fine because it only involves a dead warp entity. Apparations binding is a bit more involved and we might get some pointed questions.
And yes, from what i remember of boney posting on this topic, it's just not feasible to get enough juice out of the entities alone, they dissolve too fast and don't leave enough av to be worthwhile.
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pretty sure this is the M.O. of Algard's Hands
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Reading through all this debate, I'll be honest, I have no idea why it's assumed that apparitions would even be the best way to start looking for another of Aetheric Vitae.
Given Mathilde's initial conclusion during her research, it seems it could be restated that she's of the current theory this is something that happens when the Aether spills over into reality without reality being damaged or degraded in the process.
So, rather than asking "how do we find more apparitions to do this with" I feel it might be instead asked "How do you breach that divide without invoking any portal or apparition at all?" And updates like us learning about the Glittering Realm, the Souls of Forests, or even the Grey College give solid hints in that direction, IMO.
For instance, we had an option back when fighting Drycha to pursue her into the Dreaming Wood. Perhaps we might attempt to enter and thereafter seek to bring something out of such a realm and see what happens to it. She's seen Aetheric Vitae decay enough times that any such trip might be informative, even if we cannot immediately find a means using a level of magic exposure Mathilde's experiments have shown to be safe for direct contact with AV.
Given Mathilde's initial conclusion during her research, it seems it could be restated that she's of the current theory this is something that happens when the Aether spills over into reality without reality being damaged or degraded in the process.
So, rather than asking "how do we find more apparitions to do this with" I feel it might be instead asked "How do you breach that divide without invoking any portal or apparition at all?" And updates like us learning about the Glittering Realm, the Souls of Forests, or even the Grey College give solid hints in that direction, IMO.
For instance, we had an option back when fighting Drycha to pursue her into the Dreaming Wood. Perhaps we might attempt to enter and thereafter seek to bring something out of such a realm and see what happens to it. She's seen Aetheric Vitae decay enough times that any such trip might be informative, even if we cannot immediately find a means using a level of magic exposure Mathilde's experiments have shown to be safe for direct contact with AV.
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...so, Liminal Realms books?
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...hunh, yeah, I wasn't even thinking about that aspect. I could get behind it, especially if we eventually have other projects in such places too. Maybe when we have a plan proposal that includes an action dealing with such realms?
No. Orbs don't create Winds (except when expended), they make it so you can get more magical effect out of the same amount of Winds. But Runes aren't doing magic with the Winds they capture, they're directly converting it into something else, so would either be unaffected or hindered by the presence of Orbs.
To use a car analogy, an Orb of Sorcery makes your magical gasoline burn hotter and longer. This is really useful if you plan on using your gasoline to fuel your car (as Wizards do), but is somewhere between useless and really bad if you're trying to do petrochemistry with it (as Runesmiths do).
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From my understanding, winds are attracted to related things and enhance related things. So a fire will attract Aqshy and Aqshy will enhance the fire, which in turn attracts more Aqshy. Among the things that attracts the winds are themselves, so Aqshy itself will attract Aqshy.
While an orb of sorcery wouldn't create more of a wind of magic, wouldn't it attract the wind due to being a very high concentration of it?
Yes, but attracting Winds is something Runesmiths can already make happen.
Could you put make an Orb of Sorcery a part of a staff? I've been wondering about that -- Power Stones are expendable equipment, but Orbs of Sorcery aren't. (Well, they can be expended... if you want deadly amounts of energy.) Adding a Power Stone to a staff gets you a staff with a one-shot nitro boost. But adding an Orb of Sorcery to a staff...
Setting aside how much energy or unique circumstances to make an Orb of Sorcery, and how they can fuel magical warmachines rather than just a wizard's stuff, but.
Is "put an Orb of Sorcery on a staff" a thing you can do? Or "make a casting booster of some sort" otherwise? We do have that Storm Dragon horn left over; we decided to use the other dragon part for our staff, but...
Is putting an Orb of Sorcery on a staff something we can try to do, if we get one? ((I've actually been wondering if Teclis or Volans staff has something like that going for it...))
Setting aside how much energy or unique circumstances to make an Orb of Sorcery, and how they can fuel magical warmachines rather than just a wizard's stuff, but.
Is "put an Orb of Sorcery on a staff" a thing you can do? Or "make a casting booster of some sort" otherwise? We do have that Storm Dragon horn left over; we decided to use the other dragon part for our staff, but...
Is putting an Orb of Sorcery on a staff something we can try to do, if we get one? ((I've actually been wondering if Teclis or Volans staff has something like that going for it...))
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I feel like this is probably half the principle of a Battle Altar.
Where it possibly just hits the wall that a bigger power stone merits a bigger stick to mount it on.
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My first reaction to this idea is thinking that an orb of sorcery is quite a bit too big to put on a staff. It's just impractical having that much weight on the end. My second reaction is remembering that this is Warhammer and that these guys exist:
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Try it and find out.
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Putting aside whether or not it's a good idea to gift our Apprentice an Orb of Sorcery staff...
I think it was mentioned that Dryadbutt would be better for control and precision, not so much power?
I'd be worried that it wouldn't be able to handle the Orb.
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Physically, it seems vaguely plausible? Orbs of Sorcery are relatively similar in size to a human skull, and there's plenty of staffs with human skulls mounted on top in Warhammer. In terms of actual magical effect, on the other hand, it seems staggeringly wasteful. It would be near impossible to condense strategic power comparable to a Battle Altar down into something as small as a staff, so you'd either yolo it and try to cram in all that power anyway, which ends up with something that's Brass Orb tier likely to blow up in the users face, or play it safe(r) and end up wasting an irreplaceable strategic resource on a much less impressive ambient effect.
giving a journeyman, let alone an apprentice, something like that is how you get your jourenyman shanked and looted the moment they are far enough in their journey that bad people will feel safe trying it.
and they won't even be the typical bad guys, plenty of College members would be tempted.
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I've the feeling we'll roll another 100 and Eike will end up being a Battle Wizard, now that it's been said that she might not be able to handle the Orb.
I say Eike becomes the greatest diplomat ever just to annoy Mathilde.
