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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
That seems fine in theory, but I am worried that it'll create follow up actions that we'll never pick, whereas the library and Waystone stuff already has future actions locked in, so pursuing those options now will only strengthen later actions that we're guaranteed to take.

At least, that's roughly the logic I'm going for my votes—but I'm not going to object if we do get contacts in far off places. At the very least, the worldbuilding will be fascinating.
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And if we don't need them, that's fine, they can just be people Mathilde maintains an off-screen intellectual correspondent with, playing a small part in promoting mutual understanding between the magic users of the world.

If we do need them, they'd be invaluable, and that could include using them on the Waystone project.

Basically, if you go to an international conference and spend your time speaking to your existing friends or people you could meet anyway, you're almost literally doing it wrong.

This is basically buying a very cheap option that would be very, very hard to access in another way.

We may literally never get offered another chance to make some of the contacts we are here.
 
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[X] Carcassonne/Bretonnia to inquire about their willingness to join the waystone project
[X] House Fooger, for their view on the canal project and Marienburg situation
[X] Follow up on the newfound partnership between the Light Order and the Cult of Gazul
 
I think "Dragomas is actually a dragon" is one of my favourite thread jokes, if only because it's more believable than a journeyman somehow surviving the trip to Cathay, becoming friends with the Dragon Emperor, learning how to turn into a celestial dragon and then coming back.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I think "Dragomas is actually a dragon" is one of my favourite thread jokes, if only because it's more believable than a journeyman somehow surviving the trip to Cathay, becoming friends with the Dragon Emperor, learning how to turn into a celestial dragon and then coming back.
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I like it because it started as a wild thread theory, and then the new Cathay lore came out and made it more plausible.
 
Altom said:
Yes, but that was becore he went to Cathay, so he was at most a journeymanling.
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I think you missed both of my points here.
One is that he probably could not always turn into dragon, and there are probably easier forms to train with.
Second, is a reference to the conspiracy theory that Dragomas is actually a dragon, hence the "allegedly". :V
 
Of the children of the Dragon Emperor and Empress of Cathay, five are known to be active and ruling provinces. One vanished "exploring Norsca", one might be under The Great Dragon River.

This leaves two Dragons with unconfirmed fates, one of which might be Dragomas.

And the other might be Mathilde
 
In the unlikely event that Dragomas is an undercover Cathyan dragon, he's very likely capable of wielding all eight winds and casting high magic, so he may be learning all the magical lore of the colleges.

As one additional thought in favour of that, it does seem unlikely to me that, if Boney is using the new Cathay lore; that the totally not divine dragons there would teach a foreigner to adopt their form. Particularly as they don't seem to have an organised tradition of human Ghur users.
 
Valmond said:
I think you missed both of my points here.
One is that he probably could not always turn into dragon, and there are probably easier forms to train with.
Second, is a reference to the conspiracy theory that Dragomas is actually a dragon, hence the "allegedly". :V
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But you also mentioned battlemagic tier monsters something he would not have had access to as a journeymanling regardless of him being a dragon or not. And after Cathay, well then he can be a dragon so why be anything else?
 
Dragonofelder said:
Of the children of the Dragon Emperor and Empress of Cathay, five are known to be active and ruling provinces. One vanished "exploring Norsca", one might be under The Great Dragon River.

This leaves two Dragons with unconfirmed fates, one of which might be Dragomas.

And the other might be Mathilde
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I doubt Mathilde is one of the Canon children as she remembers her childhood in Stirland.

That said... what are the chances the Dragon Emperor had an affair with a random stirlandian peasant woman? :thonk:

"No Mathilde, you are the Ulgu dragons." And then Mathilde was a dragon.
 
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Altom said:
But you also mentioned battlemagic tier monsters something he would not have had access to as a journeymanling regardless of him being a dragon or not. And after Cathay, well then he can be a dragon so why be anything else?
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No i didn't, i just said that, allegedly, there was a time when he could not be a dragon.
I think you may have mistaken me for another poster.

The start of the topic was the qeustion if he can transform into anything else.
I don't know, i would assume there are easier forms to take, but then it is also possible that the transformation is more than just a spell, and limits possible forms to human and dragon.
 
NavySeel said:
I doubt Mathilde is one of the Canon children as she remembers her child hood in Stirland...

That said what are the chances the Dragon Emperor had an affair with a random stirlandian peasant woman? :thonk: :grin:
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No, see, what if Mathilde was dropped off in Stirland by the Dragon Emperor/Empress? It could be that they have mortal families raise their children so they can have a more human perspective?

I mean, there a large number of reasons why that would be a stupid idea, buuuuuuuut WHAT IF???
 
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WHAT IF DRAGOMAS IS LOOKING OUT FOR MATHILDE? He's far enough way in another Order not to interfere with her life, but is close enough to keep an eye on her!

As a (hypothetical) Amber-ordinated Dragon he's more wild and prone to wandering than his siblings! It might be he's not even supposed to looking out for Mathilde, but just sort of ran into her and went "Oh, might as well."

The whole "Supreme Patriarch" thing is because Dragons naturally always rise to the top
 
If Dragomas is actually a dragon then " A dragon, to see what they think of dwarven mating rituals." Has 33% odds on revealing it, considering the only other dragons that we could ask are either Deathfang or Cython. Thus making this the most superior vote :V
 
Or, Dragomas just happened to be really really good at scratching those hard to reach spots beneath the scales with a rake, and spent all of his time as the Imperial Family's cabana masseuse diligently studying dragon anatomy and transformations, and didn't actually try the change himself until he was well out of sight of the border.


His aversion to pants isn't because of wind attunement, but because the dress code at the Imperial Cabana was a posing pouch and lots of oil.
 
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Valmond said:
No i didn't, i just said that, allegedly, there was a time when he could not be a dragon.
I think you may have mistaken me for another poster.

The start of the topic was the qeustion if he can transform into anything else.
I don't know, i would assume there are easier forms to take, but then it is also possible that the transformation is more than just a spell, and limits possible forms to human and dragon.
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I did indeed. Apologies.
As for easier forms, there are, assuming he is using transformation of Kadon, but if you need to use high end battle magic, you might as well go with your personal mastery OP form.
 
Given that we know that one of the downsides of Transformation of Kadon is that if you don't turn back quickly enough you might decide to stay in your new shape, it's possible that Dragomas wasn't born as a dragon but now is one. He just happened to turn into a creature which itself has the ability to shapechange, so can wear a human form with relative ease without having to cast Transformation again and instead uses the dragon's natural ability to do so while remaining a dragon.

A interesting fact about Transformation of Kadon on the tabletop - you retain your special rules as well as getting the ones of the monster you turn into, so a high elf that turns into a dragon has Always Strikes first, and a vampire that turns into one retains their blood gifts. That makes vampires that can cast this spell potentially incredibly deadly.

Edit: as a side note, Transformation of Kadon stops wizards casting spells while transformed (although they can still use arcane items and counterspell), so if we ever see Dragomas cast while in dragon form that would be another clue something odd is going on.
 
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Altom said:
I did indeed. Apologies.
As for easier forms, there are, assuming he is using transformation of Kadon, but if you need to use high end battle magic, you might as well go with your personal mastery OP form.
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Personal mastery comes after you learn and use the spell, so during training he may have used several forms.
Or he may not, we don't know.
 
Alratan said:
Given that we know that one of the downsides of Transformation of Kadon is that if you don't turn back quickly enough you might decide to stay in your new shape, it's possible that Dragomas wasn't born as a dragon but now is one. He just happened to turn into a creature which itself has the ability to shapechange, so can wear a human form with relative ease without having to cast Transformation again and instead uses the dragon's natural ability to do so while remaining a dragon.

A interesting fact about Transformation of Kadon on the tabletop - you retain your special rules as well as getting the ones of the monster you turn into, so a high elf that turns into a dragon has Always Strikes first, and a vampire that turns into one retains their blood gifts. That makes vampires that can cast this spell potentially incredibly deadly.

Edit: as a side note, Transformation of Kadon stops wizards casting spells while transformed (although they can still use arcane items and counterspell), so if we ever see Dragomas cast while in dragon form that would be another clue something odd is going on.
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Vampire dragons SOUND incredibly deadly, so that checks out.
 
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