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I edited the post. It's in the wiki because it's in a novel called Mark of Chaos, which seems to be the only cited source for that particular instance of the use of the word.
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So talking about the high elf's.
Something that just crossed my mind reading @picklepikkl post about them wanting to shut down the project and about the EIC action to trade with the Enoir.
That action will definitely get high elf notice, for economic reasons, and look into the EIC with a stink eye because they are now suddenly the first ever trade rival for elves goods.
Witch is problematic because the trade monopoly with Marangburg was as much about politics and foreign influence as it was about money (if not more so)
Let's just be carful that we don't get catch looking into Waystones by the high elf's just because they were digging into our shit for economic politics.
That would be embarrassing.
Something that just crossed my mind reading @picklepikkl post about them wanting to shut down the project and about the EIC action to trade with the Enoir.
That action will definitely get high elf notice, for economic reasons, and look into the EIC with a stink eye because they are now suddenly the first ever trade rival for elves goods.
Witch is problematic because the trade monopoly with Marangburg was as much about politics and foreign influence as it was about money (if not more so)
Let's just be carful that we don't get catch looking into Waystones by the high elf's just because they were digging into our shit for economic politics.
That would be embarrassing.
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They were Ulthuani archmages exiled for being too radicals.
I don't remember that, could you give me the update?
I don't know, maybe us? The thread?
OOC clamouring by players will probably be a very efficient impetus, given that's the main reason we want to recruit the Hedgewise. OOC is why we choose to get close from Egrimm. OOC is definitely a driving force behind many of our choices (but obviously not the only).
People want to recruit the Hedgewise, and I don't see those people stopping advocating for that after the framework. Same for Ice Witches.
That mean we have to actually do the thing they require, which delay the update where we get to do the framework.
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I thought you were going to ask us if we ever heard of the High Elves for a second:
Being more serious, I think that's a bit far ahead in the future. We have yet to even take the action to evaluate the trade goods Laurelorn needs and we don't have a contract with them. Even if we start the process, it takes absolute ages for the economic consequences of that kind of stuff to be noticed. We've been talking about the effects and consequences of the canal for irl years now, and the canals aren't even completed yet!
It's hard to believe it's been more than two irl years since the Aver-Black Water canal was first envisioned...
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It's creating new spells that takes elves years, not learning them. Which makes more sense, imo.
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As a point of order, the Black Water is going to link up with the Aver. The Stir is further north, between Karak Kadrin and Ostermark.
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Yes I am aware. I also typoed and added two mentions of years consecutively.
We should look into that next social turn, if only to get that narrative effects moving: (Waystones need the money boast! 1000 gold there! 2000 Gold here! Why oh why does Thorek need a jewel encrusted toilet seat to finish the rune of wind flushing? Where do you even get a jewel encrusted toilet seat….)
Plus, we need to check Catisu farm, something f might have happened by now!
Possibly!
I reckon we could bribe the Vaul house to join the Waystone project by signing some sort of trade clause where the EIC imports dwarven ore and exports Eonir goods and promises to never trade in Ulthan goods—which is fine, because the EIC will control the canals which go in the opposite direction of Marienburg.
We've already done the friendship action—lets pull them fully in, not because they and their Smith-Priests might know something, but so that the Waystone project is economically advantageous to them, forcing them to protect us from the other houses.
We've already done the friendship action—lets pull them fully in, not because they and their Smith-Priests might know something, but so that the Waystone project is economically advantageous to them, forcing them to protect us from the other houses.
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🤷♀️ And I don't think either Rite of Way, MAP or Mathilde's Mystical Matrix took an entire year let alone multiple ones.
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Rite of Way took a year and a half to make and will take at least another six months to turn into something someone who isn't Mathilde can cast, and then we need to write the paper. The Matrix and MMAP were pretty easy to learn -- MMAP was the result of a crit and then writing it down was free with the Room of Serenity, whereas the MMM was (IIRC) an action to recreate what we had seen in the conspirators and then several actions to write because we kept fucking it up.
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Yes, I've never said otherwise. What I was saying is that elves don't take years to learn new spells, but that they need that time to create new ones. My quote was proving my point. I've never said anything about humans needing years to create new spells.
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Could we make some significant sacrifice to Ranald to turbocharge the gambler for the Waystone Project foundations?
Some quick options:
What I'm getting from the Warhammer Canon excerpts of Teclis quoted here is that he looked at his students, realized they couldn't fully absorb the full extent of current elven knowledge about the gods because their monkey brains wouldn't let them consider multiple seemingly contradictory theories to be all potentially correct at the same time and decided to stick with the one furthest away from Chaos.
Some quick options:
- The Liber Mortis.
- Mask of Warboss Birdmuncha.
- Horn of a Storm Dragon.
- Complete collection of Nehekharan coins of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Dynasties.
- Egrimm van Horstmann
What I'm getting from the Warhammer Canon excerpts of Teclis quoted here is that he looked at his students, realized they couldn't fully absorb the full extent of current elven knowledge about the gods because their monkey brains wouldn't let them consider multiple seemingly contradictory theories to be all potentially correct at the same time and decided to stick with the one furthest away from Chaos.
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Ah my mistake, when I went back to check it looked like we started taking Publish Or Perish actions in Ulriczeit 2475 and hit publish anyway in Sommerzeit 2476 so I thought that was half a year.
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And I am saying that if we can see that humans make spells in a fraction of the time that elves do, we could use that as an indication that they would also be equally more reckless in learning.
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Well yes, that's kind of obvious. I've never say otherwise. So why are you bringing this up?
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Because I am showing that even after being corrected this is still evidence that Elves and humans approach magical education differently.
Because when someone corrects a detail I want to show that the argument still holds?
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True, true. Sorry if I was a bit aggressive, I tend to get carried away 😅
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Since I seem to be nitpicking at typos today: I think you meant the Matrix instead of the second MMAP.
I believe there's a screaming face reaction for that.
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also, while obviously it's not going to be 'pick action= 'High elves become sus.'
it is an action that will at some point put mathy 'the owner of the EIC' in their rumor mill.
and that could lead to an investigation action that leads to them discovering that 'the owner of the EIC is a Grey Wizerd that is ding something with the elves of Laurelorn, but any diplomatic question with the Enoir about it got stonewalled hard.
again, there is a lot of things about this that I'm hyperbolizing and will take awhile even if it does happen this way.
but becoming the only competitor for elve goods in the old world is going to draw eyes to us, eyes that while we don't care about what they are looking for, will also open the possibility of finding that there is something fishy in the forest going on. and we should be aware of that if we still think it's worth it.
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Read my post again and think what I said. Waagh paper is how Eonir knew to approach Mathilde. Infact if you go back to our first meeting you will see that you are completely wrong, in that Waagh paper is what tipped them on to deciding to start the project, Infact here;
See how much they did not care about dwarven waystones up until they see Mathilde is there and capable of figuring out and explaning stuff they don't know about. Waagh paper is the deciding factor that made whole project possible in the first place!
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I mean, I do think they'd probably notice Mathilde at some point. I just think that they'd notice her and the Waystone project by the point where we've already started and got the ball rolling, so they wouldn't be able to stop us without some serious investment that could really backfire.
I've seen some people in the thread talk about the Elves trade wise as if they don't actually trade for their own benefit, and that the only reason they trade is because they're spreading their wealth or something like that, but I think that's a misconception. Lots of High Elves enjoy trade and skullduggery, and they find it thrilling to have so much power at the top. Marienburg's Elven houses are no joke. The trading world of that city is cutthroat, and the Elves fit right in.
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I've seen somewhere someone saying that the only difference between Asur and Druchii scheming is that in Ulthuan, the "cutthroat" part generally stays metaphorical...