Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Estonia
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
Unless I'm forgetting, I think it's been a while since we've checked in on our fief. Should do that every now and then, if only to make sure nothing bad is secretly happening. And to make sure we spot any kids with magical talent early, before any peasants get witch-burny.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.
Unless I'm forgetting, I think it's been a while since we've checked in on our fief. Should do that every now and then, if only to make sure nothing bad is secretly happening. And to make sure we spot any kids with magical talent early, before any peasants get witch-burny.
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- Under your bed
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Look sometimes you just gotta pour molten gold into your eye sockets for science.
We've all been there.
If we listened to the Elves with their "hundreds of years of experience" and their "Quiche" or whatever they call it, we wouldn't even have chisel hands, let alone golden pecs.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
So....Mathilde
So....Mathilde
Mathilde is secretly the human incarnation of Slaanesh confirmed
There is a reason why out of all the dark gods she has been most tempted by Slaanesh and it is not because he throws the best raves. If there is any Chaos God with whom she most resonates with her grand ambitions and natural tendency towards smugness it is the lord of Excess. I mean think about it, she is good at plotting, but she does not like or value it for its own sake, same for martial skill and anger and hate are not her vices, she definitely does not get depressed or fatalistic, but pride... oh yeah, pride fits her really well.
It could be argued that Mathilde's need for approval from authority/father figures (Regimand, Abel, Belegar, Algard, Dragomas) is a fracture line Papa Nurgle could exploit as well. She's probably not as vulnerable to corruption along those lines compared to her pride, as you highlighted, but it does exist and I'm not sure it's a pattern of behaviour Mathilde is actually aware of, unlike her pride, which is kinda obvious.
Eh... i do not think she needs approval of authority so much as a general sense of belonging and while Nurgle does give that to his followers, those followers generally have nowhere else to go. She would have to be exiled from all he knows and loves before she could be vulnerable to that sort of thing. I could see Necromancer Mathilde falling to Nurgle, but not the regular sort.
Yeah, like I said, her other flaws (such as pride) are more vulnerable, it's just that I don't think Mathilde herself has picked up on this pattern of behaviour, which makes it harder to protect against attacks targeting it.
Also, any scenario where there is a realistic chance of temptation would involve Mathilde feeling isolated and alone first.
That pattern of behavior is only something Chaos can make use of if she is bereft of all healthy relationships or if they have already corrupted one of her mentors, and that is really not unique to Nurgle. It is the kind of generally human 'flaw' the four use all the time. I think it would be covered in general classes on how to deal with Chaos, not even the special ones she got as an magister, more the apprentice level stuff.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
You say that but I disagree completely some one prideful enough to fit in with Slaaneshes crowd would never have accepted the compromise position Belegar and Thorgrim came to that meant basically Mathilde 'never' sent for assistance so ofcourse Thorgrim couldn't be at fault for not providing it or telling K8P to die well because that never happened.
Eh... Thorgrim's die well just made her look better in the end for not doing that. That said I do not think she actually fits with the Slaaneshi, just that she is closest to fitting in with them than any of the others.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Thankfully the thread (generally) corresponds to Mathilde's state of mind, so now that we've noticed it Mathilde has too.
... Of course, this means that @Nurgle has been peeking into her mind for years now, which could pose a problem.
You don't have to be proud of everything. Just one specific area can do it if you pour enough of yourself into it. A better argument for why Mathilde wouldn't fit in with Slaanesh is when she tried to write her first paper, rewrote it multiple times to make it absolutely perfect and then -and this is the crucial part- stopped herself when she realised that she was being silly and that not getting an A+ is not the same as failing. The 'proper' Slaaneshite reaction would be to sacrifice less important things like your actual job to ensure that your craft is as amazing as you are.
Of course, that was over a decade ago. And people change as time passes by...
It was before dwarf infection set in. Though she's not that inclined to dwarfish perfectionism.
No, the true corruptive danger is clearly Hashut. It's a god of magic, that's a plus. It also speaks to the threads deep seated and recurring desire for industrialization.
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
Also our history of torturing and binding warp entities for personal gain...
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
And, as much as most of us hate the very concept, we do kind of have a slave. I.e. someone who we hold prisoner let do valuable work for us for great profit, without expecting to release them before their death.
This is a fine hair to split, but I think it's an important one: Qrech is a prisoner of war. He was an officer in the army of a nation that seeks the complete destruction of the Empire, and the only reason he has never directly contributed to that goal is that he was instead contributing to one of the Skavens' simultaneous wars with pretty much every other polity in the world. The work he does for Mathilde is voluntary, not onerous, and performed in exchange for comforts and luxuries; his basic needs would be met whether he cooperates or not. Modern perspectives can point to ways he could be better treated, but to an in-universe perspective Mathilde's treatment of Qrech has been incredibly generous, to the extent that if it were not for the intelligence she has been able to extract from him by doing so, some might start to question her loyalties.
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
Me whenever loyalties of unknown status are mentioned:
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Honestly, even by modern ideals it's kind of a lot. I doubt many prisons go out of their way to give their prisoners pets, exemplary education, or the companionship Mathilde has.
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- Canada
Not necessarily for prisoners of war while the war is ongoing. I remember (from something years ago, please don't take this as a trusted source) the British used a comparable strategy on captured Nazi officers, and hid listening devices in all the areas they would gather to complain about how the campaign would have been planned differently if they were in charge and how dumb their captors were by giving them good treatment.
I don't know that Mathilde needs approval of authority, but I feel like the thread that votes on her actions often expresses a desire for in-universe affirmation from figures of authority (that we respect).
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- Leeds
Spin off where Mathilde defects to the Skaven yes, yes?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Skaven-friend would probably welcome her. Not that I have any particular stake here.
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- France
Hey look, it's someone from a country with famously terrible prisons being surprised that less terrible prisons could exist! What a surprise!
Giving prisoners an education is, uh, normal? Giving them access to distance courses is basic enough - several fairly prestigious universities in my area straight-up send tutors into prisons, actually.
Giving prisoners pets has been experimented with in my country, and AFAIK the only reason it wasn't made widespread was the cost of needed building changes. However Qrech's situation is unusual here because if we hadn't given him the pet we'd have been keeping him in constant solitary confinement, which is incredibly illegal (and isn't done in any prison I know of other than Guantanamo and/or hypothetical torture blacksites).