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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
This is a fair point, but the one actual elf contact this turn does not really interest me that much as a social contact. I mean he is fine politically, but I just do not want to read that scene over others.
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It's a process rather than an endpoint, I think. Taking this social action will hopefully open up others as new characters or places are opened up in the narrative. It's not just about being introduced more deeply to a particular character, but also to the place he's responsible for.

Also, I think he was the gun using elf. That could be an interesting conversation piece when a dwarf who disapproves of the need for engineeeing innovation comes to town. The contrast between a technologically conservative dwarf and an elf willing to embrace it might be interesting.

It also might be interesting to lend him Mathilde's revolver to try out at the range, and if he finds it useful buying one for him might make a good diplomatic gift down the line.

On top of that, we've seen him cast Ulgu spells. We might be able to sound him out to discover if he knows any non-standard spells that we might be able to trade for - as a pragmatic elf he might be interested in learning Mathilde's MAP, for example.

DragonParadox said:
Could we do an action to look for Loec worshipers and put the coin towards it in Gambler with the intent of having Ranald guide us, or is that leaning too hard on him?
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Well, from what we know, any elf doing things in theme for Loec is in that moment being/worshipping Loec, so it's possibly less about finding Loec worshippers in the same way you'd look for cultists of a human god, and more about finding elves taking part in those kinds of activities. In summary, Mathilde should go to the theatre, as she doesn't seem like a party girl.
 
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I'm still kinda confused whats up with the Web-Mat action system.

Why do we need to spend two actions to get a free one? Shouldn't the others be willing to work on things without us staring over their shoulders?
 
Burned_Cookie said:
I'm still kinda confused whats up with the Web-Mat action system.

Why do we need to spend two actions to get a free one? Shouldn't the others be willing to work on things without us staring over their shoulders?
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If you can figure out a way to get a fictional character to write up the actions they take I'd be all for it, but as long as I'm the one that has to write every action taken, there's going to be limits on how many actions can be taken at a time.
 
I've had to spend the last week and a bit catching up with his quest and it has been amazing. It's been so long since I've even looked at Warhammer Fantasy (I still hate end times) and I've loved so much of it. This quest has been a brilliant reminder of what a great world it is to explore and is full of good world building. The writing is really good and the change in story from a new wizard embezzling some of her discretionary funds to then embarking on grand adventures that have tangible effects on the story have been a joy to read. This is certainly one of the best quests I've ever read and it's still going strong.
 
DragonParadox said:
Well you see this dragon told us they were the same, seemed like a good idea at the time. :V
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While it is a theory that could be worth investigating, it might be better to do so in ways that won't get Mathilde's heart carved out on a shadowy altar if it turns out to be false. Loec is not a nice God. Loec is the patron of Nagarythe's guerrilla torture-assassins and Athel Loren's troupe of innovative artists who have combined breakdance with murder. Loec is the God that dunks on Slaanesh. Loec is the God that caused a demigod genocide. Loec is the God that Dragons do not fuck with.
 
Boney said:
While it is a theory that could be worth investigating, it might be better to do so in ways that won't get Mathilde's heart carved out on a shadowy altar if it turns out to be false. Loec is not a nice God. Loec is the patron of Nagarythe's guerrilla torture-assassins and Athel Loren's troupe of innovative artists who have combined breakdance with murder. Loec is the God that dunks on Slaanesh. Loec is the God that caused a demigod genocide. Loec is the God that Dragons do not fuck with.
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I'm in :V

My pattern recognition is triggering.

Ranald is a patron of some guerilla-torture-assassins (subset of the grey college)
Ranald dunks on Mork.
Ranald caused a lot of gods to die in Kislev.

[><] Find an elven dance teacher
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
The Lights are one of the two orders with secret waystone knowledge. We're going to have to deal with them sooner or later, and Egrimm has all the insider knowledge on the political bullshit happening there. Socialling him now could help inform how we approach them.
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There is no rush to deal with the lights next turn though. We could do the Jades and be fine on that front... actually thinking about that @Boney would it make sense to have a Panoramia social action asking about the leadership of her College and such like we can do with the lights and Horstman? I know it it kind of close to the vague line of 'actionable intelligence from a social action' so I understand perfectly if the asnwer is no, just thought I'd ask.
 
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DragonParadox said:
There is no rush to deal with the lights next turn though. We could do the Jades and be fine on that front... actually thinking about that @Boney would it make sense to have a Panoramia social action asking about the leadership of her College and such like we can do with the lights and Horstman? I know it it kind of close to the vague like of 'actionable intelligence from a social action' so I understand perfectly if the asnwer is no, just thought I'd ask.
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Mathilde will ask Panoramia for any insight she's willing to share automatically before she sets off on anything Jade Order related. Egrimm's an option because there's interesting drama happening in the Lights, the equivalent in the Jades would be "we don't know where Paranoth is, but that's normal".
 
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More reactions to come when I am not bleary and half-asleep still, but boy does this update feel like we're holding our breaths -- whole lot of things are set in motion and we we will see what comes of them.

Typo: planned to right -> planned to write

I was going to propose "ten year anniversary" and "introduce Pan to Anton" actions, but it appears that Boney has already fielded those, so thank you to the people who brought them up before me. With those out of the way, I think I will vote like this:

[X] Egrimm, to try to sound out more information about the Alric situation.
[X] Vicarius Galenstra, to get to know him and his Ward.
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] The Amber College, to check in on the salamanders.
[X] The Gold College, to see what's become of their research into Skaven technology.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] Pay a visit to your fief, to see if anything has changed. It probably hasn't.

All the Tor Lithanel actions, the Library, and all the followup actions. We'll see which five make it in (remember, it's five now, not four, since Duckling Club isn't taking up a spot).

On the subject of the Library: Boney, you mentioned back during turnplanning that our Head Librarian action would take place later in the turn. I'm guessing it will be part of our purchase round?
 
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Boney said:
While it is a theory that could be worth investigating, it might be better to do so in ways that won't get Mathilde's heart carved out on a shadowy altar if it turns out to be false. Loec is not a nice God. Loec is the patron of Nagarythe's guerrilla torture-assassins and Athel Loren's troupe of innovative artists who have combined breakdance with murder. Loec is the God that dunks on Slaanesh. Loec is the God that caused a demigod genocide. Loec is the God that Dragons do not fuck with.
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I'm glad that while you're not bringing over Elf soul lore (which I agree with I think it's stupid), you're still keeping Loec screwing with Slaanesh.
 
Just a reminder of our previous interaction with Vicarius Galenstra:

Boney said:
He runs his eyes over you, and he cannot conceal his surprise as his gaze meets your Shadowsteed. After a moment he tears his gaze away and goes still as he focuses, and over a few seconds he draws in and shapes Ulgu into a textbook-perfect example of Shadowsteed, bearing none of the tweaks, shortcuts, adaptations or personalizations that every human Wizard develops. He mounts his conjured horse with practiced ease. "Do not veer far from my side unless you're confident in your ability to swim."

You fall in beside him, and as you do you are surprised to see that upon his back, as well as the expected bow and quiver is a firearm, and what looks to be a well-made one at that. "Is that a handgun?" you ask, having to use the Reikspiel word as if Eltharin has an equivalent, you don't know it.

He looks at you in confusion, and you nod to his back. "Ah, this," he says, drawing it. "Handgun. A gift from your Graf, and so very entertaining. So much more energy imparted than a normal arrow, and for so much cheaper than the special arrows! Noisy, yes, and so slow to prepare a second shot, but that just means the first must be made to count." He sights down it at a clump of reeds. "Some might decry its lack of accuracy, but if you can't get close enough to take a shot, you don't deserve to."

"Not all examples are quite as limited," you say, waiting for him to look towards you for you to slowly draw a revolver, making sure to keep it pointing in the opposite direction to him.

"Is that a, what was it, a von Meinkopt? I've heard of those, but they're supposedly even less accurate and reliable than the handguns."

"No, though it works on a similar principle. This is a Dwarven-made revolver, with eight chambers that can be loaded in advance, and it has a mechanism to rotate them in line with the barrel. They also have guns that are more accurate than most human-made ones."

He shakes his head. "Dwarves. It still sounds strange to be talking of them in the here and now, instead of as figures from ancient history. But you're not the first human to speak highly of their craft. If all goes well, perhaps we might begin to import some of their works
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I think there's plenty in there to show why he would be an interesting person to learn more about. As examples:

  • He's a fellow wielder of Ulgu so might know things about it we don't, and vice versa. He should at least have a different perspective.
  • He's open minded and pragmatic enough to make a human made handgun part of his kit, or diplomatic enough to pretend he had.
  • He was willing enough to admit to the superiority of dwarven engineering that when shown Mathilde's revolver he brought up the subject of importing it (although there are probably elven smiths who know the Tale of Metal spell, so…)

Anyone of these things is, I think, enough to make him worth a social action. Particularly as we'll also be exploring his Ward, so we can find out if he's an outlier or whether they're attitudes that are in line with the rest of his community, which is another important and interesting thing to learn.

Boney said:
While it is a theory that could be worth investigating, it might be better to do so in ways that won't get Mathilde's heart carved out on a shadowy altar if it turns out to be false. Loec is not a nice God. Loec is the patron of Nagarythe's guerrilla torture-assassins and Athel Loren's troupe of innovative artists who have combined breakdance with murder. Loec is the God that dunks on Slaanesh. Loec is the God that caused a demigod genocide. Loec is the God that Dragons do not fuck with.
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And this is why it also makes complete sense that Loec is the elven God of plays and actors ;)
 
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Boney said:
Turn 35 Results - 2487 - Part 3
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Largely inconclusive, but good groundwork.

Unpopular, -1.
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Don't think we have seen that modifier before.

"Explain why you think this is a good idea," he says to you, caution and curiousity warring in his tone.
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"Okay, so we're at the point where this isn't a stupid idea. What makes it a good idea?"
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This may not be strictly wise, but it would definitely be interesting."
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Johann is no fool, however willing he is to go beyond the conventional.

"Like looting and demolishing a Skryre laboratory under a sleeping dragon."

The two of you exchange grins,
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The easy camaraderie between these two is adorable.

Johann has no such troubles, as Panoramia had supplied a draught with a bit more heft than the traditional laudanum tincture and he was quite thoroughly absent from the entire situation.
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While 'druid does drugs' isn't unexpected, we haven't seem much of that side of Pan.

Your Order was mysterious about it
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Probably trying to hide the fact that they don't know jack about the subject.
We will need the Hedge folk to learn those secrets.

Rumour has it there's some sort of trouble in the Shirokij Forest, and whatever it is seems to be threatening to spill over the Talabec.
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Another tantalising plot-hook we must watch float by.
 
Alratan said:
And this is why it also makes complete sense that Loec is the elven God of plays and actors ;)
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Theatre itself is thought to have its earliest origins in improvisations during odes to Dionysus, who was very likely the inspiration for Loec - a nice friendly party facet, with savagery and violence beneath.

(one theoretical etymology of 'tragedy', the earliest theatre genre, is 'tragaoidia', meaning 'goat-song', because Dionysian choruses would compete to win a goat, someone mixed up the traditional odes with improvisation to get an edge in this competition)
 
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Codex said:
Certainly they're an interesting part of the lore that's only ever discussed in White Dwarf articles
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They're also talked about in the 5th edition Lizardmen book.

But yeah, apart from that Amazons were only really a thing back in the first three editions, when they were more explicitly using literal weapons from 40K.
 
[X] Egrimm, to try to sound out more information about the Alric situation.
[X] Vicarius Galenstra, to get to know him and his Ward.
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
 
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