It is more defended than most imperial world.

Not really, oh sure there are more space assets in its orbit than most imperial worlds, but most Imperial words are not in striking range of Orks, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Chaos* and Tyranids. They have picket forces at the sector level whose job it is to keep those threats down. these forces to not exist in this sector
*technically everyone is in range of Chaos since the the warp will just ocasionally randomly spew out raiding forces because it amuses the Gods, but that is relatively speaking very rare, it exists mostly for narrative convenience than because it's a common occurance.
 
The average of the Imperium is probably around 2, with worse available tech considering the production roll.
Imperial world did have system defence forces sometimes bigger sometimes smaller but they did existed.

Drop the copium bottle brother

Most imp systems usually handle minor threath incursions like pirates

And get utterly fucked when a serious force arrives
>the above part is where denva is

Im gonna he happy if they still alive

But we will have to re-uplift them after fighting off the visitors
 
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Imperial world did have system defence forces sometimes bigger sometimes smaller but they did existed.

And they were continously drained of everyone competent, with the nobility completely miss managing things.
That's the average Imperium.

but most Imperial words are not in striking range of Orks, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Chaos* and Tyranids.

Nope. Orks are everywhere, dark eldars can be anywhere, and genestealer are basically already on every world (the splinter fleet is too dangerous for everything around to not come from a Nat 1).
 
And they were continously drained of everyone competent, with the nobility completely miss managing things.
That's the average Imperium.



Nope. Orks are everywhere, dark eldars can be anywhere, and genestealer are basically already on every world (the splinter fleet is too dangerous for everything around to not come from a Nat 1).

If the Imperial core is as unsafe as a sector that was abandoned for the last two hundred years the Imperium of Man would not exist.
 
Military nothing, if they chaos stole the manufacturing tech, that is a quantum leap in their ability to build ships and armies. Near-Infinite OMC armies built and maned by a limited number of Champions.
Though they would need to actually figure it out first. Chaos gets cheats, but they usually aren't the most technologically advanced and their best stuff is usually mad science shit or something they stole from someone else.
 
Though they would need to actually figure it out first. Chaos gets cheats, but they usually aren't the most technologically advanced and their best stuff is usually mad science shit or something they stole from someone else.

They would just convert some of the people who already know how to use the tech. Easiest would be to shove some scrap code in their implants until they start praising Tzeench.
 
Drop the copium bottle brother

How the hell do you think an army that fights battles using mass assault at best, if not WW1 tactics, while being guided by officers that think the only and most traditional way to win a battle is to drown the enemy in bodies can be better than a 2 roll on military?

Because that's the average of the Imperium.

The imperial guard, the elites, sometimes also use those strategies due to the general incompetence around.
 
There are orks empires in the segmentum solar. Genestealers were on Terra itself.

There were also harlequins on Tera itself, that doesn't mean every planet in the Imperium is playing part to a secret infiltration of Eldar clowns. Tera is special, that makes it a target. Denva is also special because of its tech, that makes it a target too, but whereas Tera is a fortress of near-unparalleled scale Denva is apparently in the bottom 5th percentile of military competence.
 
Tera is special, that makes it a target. Denva is also special because of its tech, that makes it a target too, but whereas Tera is a fortress of near-unparalleled scale Denva is apparently in the bottom 5th percentile of military competence.

You are using an absolute scale directly with a relative one. Don't do that.

The 5th percentile absolute is probably better than the 50th percentile relative of the Imperium.
 
You are using an absolute scale directly with a relative one. Don't do that.

The 5th percentile absolute is probably better than the 50th percentile relative of the Imperium.

To make my position clearer, it does not matter if that 5 still allowed them to be three times better defended than the average imperial world if local space is ten times more dangerous than the imperial core and Denva itself is a prize a thousand times more valuable than the average imperial world.
 
To make my position clearer, it does not matter if that 5 still allowed them to be three times better defended than the average imperial world if local space is ten times more dangerous than the imperial core and Denva itself is a prize a thousand times more valuable than the average imperial world.

Everyone non eldar is too slow to manage the logistic chain fast enough to make the fact that Denva is special something that can allow them to ask and receive the extra troops needed to conquer the planet in the time they had.

Because there is literally no reason to go around space that should have been evacquated of everything important with anything more than a small scout fleet, if not just a spaceship.

And the eldar would not be interested in the shinies of Denva.
 
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denva is more skilled but the local threats a also several times harsher

So is not "denva is handling a average bkacwater system piracy incursion" threaths

Is "a major enemy fleet that would make a book or campaign of its own and would need space marines and/or a crusade" threaths

Denva can handle pirates just fine,but they cant handle the later,wich is the difficulty setting we voted for


2) denva fleet force werent that good,they can stop pirates not a major force

No much else to say we left them some monitor ships that were very basic



3)
The rolls
They didnt improve their mil tech and they failed in the system defense

Best case scenario: a pirate incursion they got massively blodied by
Worst case scenario: a major invasion force and they are back at square 1

Anything bigger than a pirate incursion would make denda bleed and sweat hard



Drop the copium,believe your own eyes looking at the rolls
 
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Everyone non eldar is too slow to manage the logistic chain fast enough to make the fact that Denva is special something that can allow them to ask and receive the extra troops needed to conquer the planet in the time they had.

Because there is literally no reason to go around space that should have been evacquated of everything important with nothing more than a small scout fleet, if not just a spaceship.

And the eldar would not be interested in the shinies of Denva.

I mean there is one good reason:
  1. Scout ship showed up, raided them for tech
  2. 'Holy shit this is good tech!'
  3. Invasion fleet shows up
Forty years is long enough for two visits and that is assuming it's not the Marines who would know they had good tech already.
 
I mean there is one good reason:
  1. Scout ship showed up, raided them for tech
  2. 'Holy shit this is good tech!'
  3. Invasion fleet shows up
Forty years is long enough for two visits and that is assuming it's not the Marines who would know they had good tech already.

Because we should be faster than anyone non eldar around and the speeds needed are too extreme?

Especially if you have to stop to consider and analyze the information on Denva you have obtained before going back slowly, rallying a fleet, and only then returning?

We are not even sure they would be allowed to not do what they were ordered to do before finding Denva.
 
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Because we should be faster than anyone non eldar around and the speeds needed are too extreme?

Especially if you have to stop to consider and analyze the information on Denva you have obtained before going back slowly, rallying a fleet, and returning?

We are not even sure they would be allowed to not do what they were ordered to do before finding Denva.

We are not, we are considerably slower than anyone with a Navigator and certainly slower than Necrons.

Also a small note here, the marines are probably the least careful and deliberate of all Imperial derived forces, they are quintessentially shock troops and it shows in their wider strategy.
 
Could it be the Necrons perhaps? They're always trying to expand, reclaim the galaxy, and wipe out all organics. The usual stuff. Though it could also be the Mechanicus believing they've discovered old Archeotech and come to take by force or they discovered they've commited the sin of innovation and wipe them while conveniently 'rediscovering' lost technology..
 
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