I would not have thought the repair-to-refit deal included the flagship's 'basically just ground installations' slots, but maybe? Certainly it'd make it easier to do some things we want to.
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I see a blanket statement to allow for refits, no mention of an exception for our modular slots. Only can't do new ships, bots or manufactories.
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Neablis has also clarified that we can't use the repair bay to do non-ship refits. Or at least, nothing that can't be reasoned to use ship parts. Shuttles might count under that logic, I suppose?
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meianmaru
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Probably not, I would think. Bots, tanks, fighters, shuttles, bombers, etc., all of these are not really part of the ship. Because if you say that the repair bay can make or refit shuttles... Well, they are not different from normal shuttles. So logically, you should be able to refit and/or make new ones not as the part of the ship.
So while the decision is ultimately up to Neablis, I would suggest tempering your expectations.
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Depends whether you think of flagship modular slot swaps as a refit, or building an installation. In most respects, they use the installation rules...
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Initially announced this as an edit, but it was like, over 12 minutes after the initial post so it was probably a bit easy to miss.
Anyways, I added a foreward to my plan for additional clarity of its intent.
Anyways, I added a foreward to my plan for additional clarity of its intent.
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[X]Plan: No longer blind
[X] Plan: Upwards And Outwards
[x] Plan: No longer blind + repair update
[X] Plan: Hunting Glasses
[x] Plan: No longer blind + repair update
[X] Plan: Hunting Glasses
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[X] Plan: Hunting Glasses
I don't like all the formatting clutter in this plan. That aside, spending two actions on our goal here means two rolls instead of one. Doubling our chances of success and doubling how much we can gain from our attempt. I think this is the most likely path to success, and I like the trick with improving our combat bots immediately.
I don't like all the formatting clutter in this plan. That aside, spending two actions on our goal here means two rolls instead of one. Doubling our chances of success and doubling how much we can gain from our attempt. I think this is the most likely path to success, and I like the trick with improving our combat bots immediately.
It's also doubling our chance of failure. Assuming we get two rolls and not one roll with just double weight all two rolls would do is skew to the average a little more.
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I assume we could use this to reduce the amount of space the repair bay takes up, but could we actually use the repair bay BP to refit the repair bay itself @Neablis? Or would we need to use Construction actions or repair bays in other ships?
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I really think more effort and thought should go into a statement where you claim the core premise of somebody else's plan - in this case, that we can use two actions to get more oomph - is 100% wrong. Particularly when that premise is backed up by a QM statement linked directly in the plan itself! That's a level of convenience you usually don't get for understanding somebody else's plan, you know.
Like, stop and think about this for a sec. Say we succeed at the exploration action and fail at diplomacy or no eldar show up - well, then we'd find the webway gate, run into Xylaris if she's there (most likely place and all that), and otherwise continue searching for her on our own.
Say we do poorly at the exploration and succeed at diplomacy - well, evidently we've not found the webway gate on our own, but if any eldar entered the system as evidenced by last turn they can find us if they want to, so the diplomacy does happen, and now we have somebody who can show us around, boosting the hunt - which may or may not involve going to the gate anyways.
Say Xylaris is just completely gone. Poof. We either go on a wild goose chase but still have a trading partner from the eldar we found followed by enticing them to continue trading next turn, or we give up on it and just trade normally with the eldar.
Fail both? Well gosh, nothing to do about that, the dice just hate us today. Pray Xylaris tries for round 2 on her own because of some separate mechanic I guess, lol.
I don't outline each of these scenarios explicitly in the plan because I don't have to. Neablis commits to interpreting plans benevolently, and in any given sequence of events where we do or don't find eldar, do or don't roll good on searching for Xylaris or the webway gate, do or don't do well on diplomacy with Eldar who come out of the gate and find us this turn, there is a really obvious next best thing to do.
Which is to say, the exploration and diplomacy actions I wrote are not only mutually supportive of each other, any given failure at Plan A has a common sense Plan B. Those Plan Bs... just aren't worth pointing out. They are common sense, and all fall under the expressed goals of the plan and the individual actions.
So it's kind of concerning that I had to lay it out explicitly for you anyways, to be honest. Could you at least show your work next time you cast that kind of shade on somebody?
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Depends on rolls. I'm not kidding - if you crit on it, or do decently on it and crit on sensors I may integrate the packages together so that your shipboard sensors can "see" warp shenanigans. Otherwise it'll be a separate research thing, or even something so bulky and short-ranged it's useful for research but not for sensors.Do those need a different equipment slot or do they get integrated into the sensory equipment as an upgrade?
I don't think we have an answer to that.
@Neablis input please
That sounds like annoying bookeeping to me, so I'm not going to object if you won't.
under a similar idea of "reducing paperwork," I'm going to say that part of installing a shuttle bay/fighter bay/assault shuttle bay is the ability for it to rebuild its parasite craft, but not to build ones beyond that. They don't replenish immediately, but on a turn-basis
I'm probably going to close the vote and call for rolls in about half an hour.
Turn 23 vote closed
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Ok, vote closed. d100 rolls needed, by separate people please.
1st: Eldar database investigation, flat roll.
2nd: Ok, maybe there's a point to medical school, +20
3rd: Human Simulation Implants, +30 (Anexa)
4th: Better Sensors, +20
5th: Empathy as Sensors, +20
6th: Improved combat Machine spirits, +20
7th: Basic power armor, +20
8th: Explore Oladeer, +10
9th: Cia Active Improvement 1, flat roll.
10th: Cia Active Improvement 2, flat roll.
Then, I'm likely to need a couple of other rolls this turn depending on how I decide to write it, so can I get another 2-3 rolls to plan around?
All told, I'm asking for 12-13 dice. No need to do these instantly, I don't need them for a few hours.
And then there's going to be a mystery roll, which you might be able to guess about.
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Well here I go with a roll
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