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I mean even if they were near the world we still have a grand cruiser, at most they might get a few pot shots in before we can put the void shields up. If they have people on board great those are prisoners now, though admittedly we would struggle to hold them without prisoner cells. Induced comas maybe?
If they were near the world, they'd be outside the grand cruiser. I'm not worried that they can do much of anything to the Spark, I'm worried that they attack our shuttles or capture our tech priests on the ground after they've been sent to repair something.
 
If they were near the world, they'd be outside the grand cruiser. I'm not worried that they can do much of anything to the Spark, I'm worried that they attack our shuttles or capture our tech priests on the ground after they've been sent to repair something.

There is no reason we would put organic crew in those shuttles rather than the bots with suicide charges and maybe Vita's avatar also with suicide charges.
 
There is no reason we would put organic crew in those shuttles rather than the bots with suicide charges and maybe Vita's avatar also with suicide charges.
The proposal was to "Offer your Tech-Priests' expertise and your onboard manufactories to assist in repairs".

How would we do that without going near the tech that needs to be repaired? I don't really think they were going to ship priceless artifacts up to an untrusted ship...and not everything is portable anyway.
 
Illuminating the Void: The Founding of the Denvan Navy (Published 782.M43)
Illuminating the Void: The Founding of the Denvan Navy (Published 782.M43)


From the vantage point of centuries later, one might be tempted to dismiss the Candle as a modest first step—its lines and systems appear simple compared to the imposing warships that would follow. Yet in its day, the Candle stood as a revolutionary testament to Denva's newfound unity and engineering ambition. Measuring roughly sixteen hundred meters in length, it cut a lean silhouette in the orbital docks, its armor plates and shimmering shielding offering the first tangible proof that Denva intended to guard its star lanes with tenacity.

Armament on the Candle was modest but innovative for its era. Two light macrocannon batteries provided sustained firepower, bolstered by a single medium lance battery mounted along the dorsal spine—capable of delivering precise, penetrating shots at range. Observers at the time noted that these arrays seemed overbuilt for a destroyer of its size, yet they perfectly foreshadowed Denva's inclination to pack maximum punch into lean frames. Coupled with high-maneuverability thrusters, the Candle became a nimble spearhead able to close on an enemy at impressive speed—eight gravities of acceleration being no small feat for a fledgling navy.

In shaping the early Denvan navy, the Candle swiftly emerged as a model for design philosophy. Its manageable size, reliable propulsion, and above-average firepower by destroyer standards influenced every subsequent hull laid down in Denva's orbit. Engineers across the planet refined their techniques by studying how the Candle balanced speed, agility, and sufficient armament in one compact frame. As a result, Denva's naval architects grew bolder, incorporating the Candle's lessons into ever-larger vessels—each carrying the DNA of that first, determined spark.

Future captains would often recall the Candle fondly as the bright spark that paved the way for grander fleets. Yet for all its eventual successors, the Candle remains unique. It was the first to embody Denva's defiance of the galaxy's dangers—and, in many ways, the one that lit the path for every warship that came after.


I had a short thing rattling around in my head, I hope you like it.
 
The proposal was to "Offer your Tech-Priests' expertise and your onboard manufactories to assist in repairs".

How would we do that without going near the tech that needs to be repaired? I don't really think they were going to ship priceless artifacts up to an untrusted ship...and not everything is portable anyway.

They bring the their broken shitty tech onto our ship for us to fix. It's not like our tech priests have manufacturing capacity strapped to themselves, they have to bring it on board or we literally cannot fix it because all the BP comes from the ship.
 
Ooh I completely forgot to factor in the possibility of there being a stranded Inquisitor / 'aspiring' iinquisitor who might try and capture our tech-priests, very unlikely, but it could happen.
 
They bring the their broken shitty tech onto our ship for us to fix. It's not like our tech priests have manufacturing capacity strapped to themselves, they have to bring it on board or we literally cannot fix it because all the BP comes from the ship.
We can literally use our ship's factories to build structures on a planetary surface. We trivially can send tech priests and replacement parts wherever. And...in what world do Sororitas load their power armor into some weirdo's shuttle to be flown away? That would never have been on the table.
 
Ooh I completely forgot to factor in the possibility of there being a stranded Inquisitor / 'aspiring' iinquisitor who might try and capture our tech-priests, very unlikely, but it could happen.

You do not really need an inquisitor for that any and all imperials would want to capture archaeo-tech, I just question how they would end up on the surface, our tech priests literally cannot make repairs except by controlling on board BP.

We can literally use our ship's factories to build structures on a planetary surface. We trivially can send tech priests and replacement parts wherever. And...in what world do Sororitas load their power armor into some weirdo's shuttle to be flown away? That would never have been on the table.

I really dislike the implication that Vita is more careless with the lives of her crew than the murder nuns are with their armor. I do not think she is that kind of person.

Edit: On the off chance Vita was that careless they are dead and our secret is out, that would be the most singularly stupid decision she took all quest.
 
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I really dislike the implication that Vita is more careless with the lives of her crew than the murder nuns are with their armor. I do not think she is that kind of person.
I really dislike that you're framing conducting any and all forms of mission off the ship as 'careless'.

Whereas sending priceless artifacts aboard a ship that you literally cannot do anything to stop from just flying away with them wouldn't be so much 'careless' as 'ludicrously credulous'.
 
I really dislike that you're framing conducting any and all forms of mission off the ship as 'careless'.

Whereas sending priceless artifacts aboard a ship that you literally cannot do anything to stop from just flying away with them wouldn't be so much 'careless' as 'ludicrously credulous'.

These people know we are AI, letting them set foot on a potentially hostile planet would be an act of callous stupidity of such scale that Vita could call herself an honorary Imperial. The moment they are taken prisoner we can expect them to be tortured into giving up everything they know because that is what the Imperium of Man and the Ministorum in particular does to prisoners.

The only way it would be remotely sane to sent tech priests onto that planet would be if they agreed to be fitted with remote explosives, which given that they think Vita is they might, but it would be very callous for her to ask.
 
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These people know we are AI, letting them set foot on a potentially hostile planet would be an act of callous stupidity of such scale that Vita could call herself an honorary Imperial. The moment they are taken prisoner we can expect them to be tortured into giving up everything they know because that is what the Imperium of Man and the Ministorum in particular does to prisoners.
I don't agree with your paranoia, but I also don't see any way the proposal voted on could be construed as keeping our techpriests away from all actual imperials.

...Although.

Tech idea, or maybe just production idea: avatar bots for humans with OMC implants.

We'd need remote OMC to make it really useful, but that's something we can pick up.
 
I don't agree with your paranoia, but I also don't see any way the proposal voted on could be construed as keeping our techpriests away from all actual imperials.

Which paranoia is that, that the Sisters of Battle torture prisoners for information and confessions of heresy.?That is not paranoia, that is just standard operating procedure, that is what canon looks like. The only reason they would not torture prisoners would be if they wanted to blackmail us with their safety and they would have to think we valued their lives for that which would be unusually charitable for the Sisters vis a vis an enemy.
 
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Which paranoia is that, that the Sisters of Battle torture prisoners for information and confessions of heresy. That is not paranoia, that is just standard operating procedure, that is what canon looks like. The only reason they would not torture prisoners would be if they wanted to blackmail us with their safety and they would have to think we valued their lives for that which would be unusually charitable for the Sisters vis a vis an enemy.
The paranoia of treating people you're purportedly engaging in a fairly intimate trade with as simultaneously too dangerous to be on the same planet with.

Committing to that would make many diplomatic actions, including in my opinion the one that just won the vote, simply impossible to implement.

Not everything is possible without risk.


(Also, I don't care what information they might get out of our tech priests, I care about, in the event that such a thing happened, recovering our people. So also the paranoia of information control.)
 
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The paranoia of treating people you're purportedly engaging in a fairly intimate trade with as simultaneously too dangerous to be on the same planet with.

Committing to that would make many diplomatic actions, including in my opinion the one that just won the vote, simply impossible to implement.

Not everything is possible without risk.

Consider for a moment how we have treated with Thalia and the Marines, every single time we sent our tech into a place it could have been captured it was with bombs attached, both the robots and he shuttle. You are positing that we sent tech that we did not have a means to explode in there with insufficient guards or means of getting them out. That would be very unusual and extremely stupid when we could just run the repair bots from the ship and say the 'tech priests' are doing it.

(Also, I don't care what information they might get out of our tech priests, I care about, in the event that such a thing happened, recovering our people. So also the paranoia of information control.)

Also there is no realistic way we would get prisoners out alive. Your average Sister of Battle is armed to the teeth, highly proficient with those weapons and has the mentality of a holy warrior, i.e. is willing to die for her faith at the drop of a hat. Harlequins or Imperial assassins might be able to get prisoners out of it, maybe a hypothetical infiltrator Vitcan on a crit. We definitely are not.

The best we could do is maybe force their hand into shooting the prisoners instead of the expected torture.
 
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Ouch always knew talking to people would backfire[JK]

Anyway so probably Eldar dickery trying to fuck with and slow us down might be Dark Eldar who're expecting slaves to turn into furniture desperately raiding because the corsairs didn't have any to trade them so we might have a combat action happening which might work In our favour.
 
One more point about the above before I go to sleep. Those tech priests know what kind of tech heresy they have been dealing in and how the orthodox imperium would view it. I think they would equip themselves with suicide devices if for some reason we asked them to go down to the planet, both to spare themselves the potential torture and so as not to betray their god.
 
Ouch always knew talking to people would backfire[JK]

Anyway so probably Eldar dickery trying to fuck with and slow us down might be Dark Eldar who're expecting slaves to turn into furniture desperately raiding because the corsairs didn't have any to trade them so we might have a combat action happening which might work In our favour.
I'd be surprised if Dark Eldar raiders blundered into range of our guns. Spark is no pursuit ship. But I certainly wouldn't turn down picking over their remains if it happened.
 
The paranoia of treating people you're purportedly engaging in a fairly intimate trade with as simultaneously too dangerous to be on the same planet with.

Committing to that would make many diplomatic actions, including in my opinion the one that just won the vote, simply impossible to implement.
Oh, it's really easy to implement actually!

Because we have robots that can pass for humans in armor, and OMC. And even if this is too long distance for OMC to pilot the bots, Vita can just pretend to be the tech priests piloting them.

DragonParadox is right. Where interactions with the potential to turn hostile are concerned, Vita is obsessively paranoid and would be extremely unlikely to send her staff down to the surface of a polity that regularly uses torture if she has any other option, which she does.

And, well, @Neablis interprets our votes in a benevolent light, so I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to give Vita that characterization. Using expendable bots for this stuff is our MO, it was and should be our expectation that we're continuing to do so.
 
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It could, ironically, also be imperials coming to wipe the current crew for heresy and replace them. Which would just make things awkward all around.
 
Oh, it's really easy to implement actually!

Because we have robots that can pass for humans in armor, and OMC. And even if this is too long distance for OMC to pilot the bots, Vita can just pretend to be the tech priests piloting them.

DragonParadox is right. Where interactions with the potential to turn hostile are concerned, Vita is obsessively paranoid and would be extremely unlikely to send her staff down to the surface of a polity that regularly uses torture if she has any other option, which she does.

And, well, @Neablis interprets our votes in a benevolent light, so I see no reason why he wouldn't continue to give Vita that characterization. Using expendable bots for this stuff is our MO.
We don't have bots that can pass for tech priests, though, do we? Doing repairs with unattended 'servitors' only? Who would buy that?
 
We don't have bots that can pass for tech priests, though, do we? Doing repairs with unattended 'servitors' only? Who would buy that?
Don't have to! The mechanicus has automata of their own, they're just rare. If pressed we say that they're from the same STC fragment we got the ship design from, we're already posing as people with absurd production capabilities as it is.

I'd say they're not likely to look that gift horse in the mouth hard enough to call us on it, but well. Natural 1 and all, lmao. Somebody crying "These robots are heretical technology!" is an entirely plausible scenario for what just happened.

That's all setting aside that we can just put the face plates back on, for that matter. They don't have to be pretending to be fleshy at all.
 
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This kind of situation is why we should not have put so many eggs in the "trade with the planet" basket, or counted those chicks before they hatched.

Hopefully the mystery roll being low is good for us (as in, it was a roll for them, instead of for us).

I hope Victan doesn't blame himself too badly... or Vita, if it's her that screwed up.
 
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